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discocrisco01 Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 12:01 PM
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Jaycee Lee Dugard police expand evidence hunt to neighbour's property
Source: Times of London

From The Sunday Times August 30, 2009

Jaycee Lee Dugard police expand evidence hunt to neighbour's propertyLech Mintowt-Czyz
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Kidnap victim Jaycee Lee Dugard
Police investigating the kidnap of Jaycee Lee Dugard have widened their search for evidence to include a second property.

Phillip Garrido, who was arrested along with his wife Nancy, is understood to have been the caretaker of the neighbouring property, before its current owner, Damon Robinson, moved in in 2006.

A neighbour, Janice Deitrich, 66, said that Mr Garrido had access to the property because he would visit and help feed an elderly person who had lived in the house previously.

The authorities described the property in Antioch, California, as a crime scene but declined to elaborate.



Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6815332.ece



This is a very evil, evil man. I think personally think that he is insane.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 12:06 PM
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1. He probably is insane
And he should be locked away never to be seen or heard from again.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:17 PM
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2. The interviews with his dad pissed me off. If he knew his son was crazy and capable of crap
like this, wouldn't you have kept tabs on him somehow? I would have that sense of obligation if I brought a creature like this into the world. I bet the dad is pretty sick himself with dark secrets. He blamed his son's behavior on LSD trips. I think there is more.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:32 PM
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4. Very judgmental. Laws prohibit families forcing children into pysche
treatment so what are family members to do. The father also said his son's mental state was affected by a head injury from a motorcycle accident.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:02 PM
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11. nothing prevents the family from calling the guy's parole officer if they suspect something n/t
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:11 PM
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20. I don't think they suspected anything because it sounds like they
haven't been really closely in touch for years. He is an adult, his parents or his brother aren't legally responsible for him.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:10 PM
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27. I did LSD
Many years ago and not once did I ever think about kidnapping someone. That guy is mentally unstable regardless of LSD trips or not.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:23 PM
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3. It boggles the mind. The guy is a sex offender and on parole.
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 01:36 PM by LisaL
He had a parole officer. How did his parole officer not notice anything in all this time (18 years)?
What good did parole do in this case?
A neighbor called 911 to report tents in the guy's backyard three years ago. A sheriff's deputy doesn't even ask to look at his backyard. The sheriff's deputy doesn't even know the guy is a sex offender. A simple background search would have revealed that.
Now they are searching houses to see if they can connect him to other crimes?
All the while he was on parole?
Simply mind boggling.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:41 PM
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5. Why was he paroled at all?
He served about 10 years of a 50-year sentence for rape and kidnapping.

I would love to interrogate the idiots on the parole board who decided to release him. I would like an explanation for why this monster was let out. Had he not been paroled, Jaycee might have been able to grow up with a normal life instead of having 18 years and her innocence robbed of her -- and so much more.

I cannot fathom why parole boards are so eager to release all kinds of monsters early. We see this again and again and again -- criminal released early, commits same crimes again. Big surprise. I think everyone who was responsible for this one's release should be held criminally liable.

This is the single reason I ever supported the death penalty (I no longer do) -- because sick murderers with life sentences constantly get released and kill again.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:51 PM
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7. There are too many people that think these monsters can be rehabilitated. They can;t.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:58 PM
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9. had to make room in the prisons for nonviolent drug offenders n/t
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:23 PM
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14. Ding, ding, ding, ding!
You can spend a lot less time in jail (in some states) for killing someone than for having a few marijuana seeds found in your car...
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:12 AM
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31. Actually, that is completely
inaccurate. When faced with prison overcrowding, it's the non-violent offenders that are among the first to be released. This guy was parolled. As a sex offender, he is considered a high-risk case. What will need to be investigated is what his parole officer was doing if he wasn't closely monitoring this guy. Parole officers handling high-risk cases have a smaller case load due to the need for close and frequent monitoring of their parolees.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:56 PM
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16. Good question. Probably because it makes society feel better
to believe that people can be "cured" and that there are no bad people. Ever.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:50 PM
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6. The police are too busy tazing homeless people and pot-smokers.
to go after real monsters. :banghead:
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:57 PM
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8. I'm not sure I fault the police too much in this case
If I had tents in my backyard I would be royally pissed of some cop felt compelled to look them over. In fact, I'm not sure he would even have the legal right to come on my property.

Now the fact that the guy was on parole for a sex crime is one that - had the cop known that - would've changed all of that. So I think it was careless of the police department to not be aware of that, or to not make an officer responding to a call aware of that.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 01:59 PM
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10. the cop couldn't have looked in his backyard without a warrant
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 02:14 PM by Ex Lurker
or probable cause. However, I believe that his parole officer could have.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:05 PM
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12. Parole officer could.
I am sure the police regret not catching this.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:16 PM
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13. that soviet serial killer operated for years
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 02:16 PM by Ex Lurker
under the nose of one of the most repressive police states in history. So every net has holes in it.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:25 PM
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15. he was wearing an ankle bracelet...what was that for?
so many dropped the ball....
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:37 PM
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22. The cop could have went to the neighbor that called it in and looked
over the fence from there.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:14 AM
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32. Actually, as a parolee,
he was still property of the state which means his parole officer can search anything relating to the parolee. There is a parole agent and supervisors that are going to be in DEEP shit for this. CDC is already investigating.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:05 PM
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18. Who cares if you are pissed if cops were to search your backyard?
He is a sex offender out on parole. He is supposed to be monitored.
The background check would have revealed that to the sheriff's deputy. The Berkley campus cop who figured something was wrong did a background check on him, found out he was a sex offender, called his parole officer. How hard would it have been for the sheriff's deputy to do the same thing years ago?

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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:00 PM
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25. Go right ahead and fault them, because they fucked up bigtime!
It wasn't a report of 'tents' in the backyard, it was a report of women and children LIVING in tents in the backyard!

"In 2006, a sheriff's deputy responded to a neighbor who called to report she had seen women and girls living in squalor when she looked over the fence. The deputy reportedly told her he could not search the yard without a warrant, which sheriff's officials now say was incorrect because Garrido loses that right to privacy as a registered sex offender on parole."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/29/MN4V19FTD4.DTL#ixzz0Php904Ml

And no, they didn't need a 'warrant'.

This is a local case (25 miles), there is so much the cops, probation dept and other officials are to blame for in this case it's not funny.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 04:44 PM
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24. BINGO. Questions ought to be asked of the police and parole officer as it
doesnt seem the family had much contact.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:02 PM
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17. A neighbor, Mike Wallace complained......
that there were many wild parties out in Garrido's backyard.
He said he peered through the fence when he heard loud music, beer drinking and yelling going on.
He witnessed as many as 10 men (whom he said were mostly Mexican) lining up outside the tent and then going in and out one at a time. He said he wasn't going to call the police unless it got REALLY loud. He was afraid for his own safety if he complained.
:puke:
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:06 PM
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19. The complaint might not have led to much.
The police usually just knock on the front door, tell the residents to quiet down and thats that.

That poor child suffered must have suffered so much. :cry: I cannot even begin to fathom how she mentally made it through.

That said....FIND THE BASTARDS THAT ATTENDED THE PARTIES AND PUT THEM AWAY TOO. For life.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:31 PM
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21. I also wonder about her children - ages 11 & 14, both girls
:( We've heard nothing of them.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:41 PM
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23. You have to wonder how much they were abused too.
Sick sick man. And anyone that participated in his abuse of these girls. They all need to be sent away....and to a cold, stone room with nothing at all that resembles comfort.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:33 PM
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26. One of the neighbors mentioned there were two four years old
there as well. Police has said nothing about the four years old. If that neighbor was correct, where are those two children?
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:32 PM
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28. Omg, I didn't know this. That poor girl.
This story is so sad. I hope he gets locked up forever and I wouldn't mind if they executed the bastard.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:08 AM
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29. Not sure I buy that story
in fact I am pretty sure I dont.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:21 AM
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30. I read it in the Daily Mail. It must be true.


I really hate this, but JIC:
:sarcasm:
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Yevgeni Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:23 AM
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33. Infuriating!
Barney Fife could've done better police work!
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