Dozens added to no-fly list

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Politico

HONOLULU — Dozens of names have been added to the government’s no-fly list after an ongoing review of the terrorist watch-list system in the wake of a 23-year-old Nigerian man’s attempt to blow up a passenger jet on Christmas Day, White House spokesman Bill Burton said Monday.

“Probably thousands upon thousands upon thousands of names were scrubbed, and probably dozens were moved to different lists,” Burton told reporters aboard Air Force One as President Barack Obama flew home from Hawaii.

Obama is set to meet Tuesday with top national security and intelligence officials to discuss the preliminary findings of investigations into how Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who had known ties to extremists, escaped the scrutiny of intelligence agencies and was able to board a Northwest Airlines flight with explosives.

Various government agencies — from Homeland Security to the National Counterterrorism Center — have submitted reviews of their practices to the White House over the past few days. On Monday, Obama will hear from the CIA, Burton said, and he will meet with John Brennan, his counterterrorism adviser, who is leading the reviews.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31142.html

[platoslab]

1. False Flag

Bombshell Eyewitness Revelations: Confirmed FBI Cover-Up Of Flight 253 Attack 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM2yiohmPEI

Based on credible witness statements by Kurt Haskell it appears to be a false flag attack. The "terrorist" was able to get aboard without a passport with the help of a neatly dressed man. The unidentified man must have had enough security clearance to speak with the flight manager to bypass passport requirements.

Yemen has oil and they just recently "lost" 6 trucks with explosives and weapons. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8439892.stm

Obama Says Al Qaeda in Yemen Planned Bombing Plot, and He Vows Retribution
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/us/politics/03address.html

[babylonsister]

2. ?? Abdulmutallab Had Passport, Dutch Say

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/30/world/main6037474.shtml

Abdulmutallab Had Passport, Dutch Say
Suspected Terrorist Presented Valid Nigerian Passport, U.S. Visa in Amsterdam, Contradicting Reports about Airport Accomplice


(CBS/AP) The suspected terrorist who tried to blow up Northwest Flight 253 Christmas day did present a passport to authorities in Amsterdam before boarding the Detroit-bound plane, Holland's counter-terrorism agency said Wednesday.

Abdulmutallab arrived in Amsterdam on Friday from Lagos, Nigeria. After a layover of less than three hours, he passed through a security check at the gate in Amsterdam, including a hand baggage scan and a metal detector, officials said.

Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and had a valid U.S. visa, the Dutch said. His name did not appear on any Dutch list of terror suspects.

The confirmation on Umar Farouq Abdulmutallab's passport comes after a fellow passenger claimed to have seen a possible accomplice help the 23-year-old Nigerian board the flight.

Special Report: The Christmas Day Terror Attack

Kurt Haskell, a Michigan resident returning home from a safari in Uganda with his wife, told the Detroit Free Press that he noticed Abdulmutallab "because of who he was traveling with" - a wealthy looking Indian man in his 50s.

Haskell, who was playing cards near the ticket counter at Schipol Airport, said the Indian man told ticket agents that Abdulmutallab "needs to board the plane, but he doesn't have a passport. ... He's from Sudan. We do this all the time."

But the Dutch counter-terrorism unit's investigation into Abdulmutallab's passport pokes holes in the theory that the alleged bomber had help evading security.

Abdulmutallab allegedly tried to detonate an explosive device, which included the highly explosive chemical PETN as the flight prepared to land. The device, which was hidden in the suspect's pants, malfunctioned allowing fellow passengers to subdue the attacker.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Not to go tin foil, but . . . WOULDN'T the authorities in Amsterdam be motivated to say

Abdulmutallab had a passport as they would compromise their positions, salaries, pensions, etc. if they admitted they waved him on?

[babylonsister]

5. This isn't some third world country. I don't imagine the Dutch would let

anyone enter their country or fly to another w/o a passport. Airports just aren't set up that way.
Hell, even 3rd world countries have better security than that.

So I think that theory is pretty tin-foily. I think someone just wanted to ratchet up the rumor mill.

[platoslab]

6. We should ask ourselves,

Cui Bono? ("To whose benefit?")

Kurt Haskell is an attorney, first-hand expert witness, and business owner. There is nothing to gain from going public with his observations. There is more to the story that will never be covered in the mainstream poodle press.

[Robb]

7. "Nothing to gain" my ass.

Dude's been on every tinfoil-hat radio program he can. There's plenty to gain.

I said it before, every time someone touts how the guy's an attorney and therefore must be credible, I want to point to the "surgeon's photo" of the Loch Ness monster.

[platoslab]

8. OIL in Yemen

Lieberman, Specter open to pre-emptive Yemen attacks
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Lieberman_Specter_open_to_preemptive_Yemen_attacks.html?showall

"Yemen is a small oil producer and does not belong to the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). Unlike many regional oil producers, Yemen relies heavily on foreign oil companies that have production-sharing agreements with the government. Income from oil production constitutes 70 to 75 percent of government revenue and about 90 percent of exports. Yemen contains proven crude oil reserves of more than 4 billion barrels (640,000,000 m3), although these reserves are not expected to last more than 9 years, and output from the country’s older fields is falling, a concern since oil provides around 90% of the country's exports<2>.

The World Bank predicts that Yemen's oil and gas revenues will plummet during 2009 and 2010, and fall to zero by 2017 as supplies run out, and UK's Royal Institute for International Affairs warns that instability there could expand a zone of lawlessness from northern Kenya to Saudi Arabia, while describing Yemen's democracy as "fragile" and pointing to armed conflicts with Islamists and tribal insurgents. Thus western and other diplomats and leaders are concerned to preserve Yemen's stability and to avert adverse outcomes<2>. According to statistics published by the Energy Information Administration, crude oil output averaged 413,300,000 barrels per day (65,710,000 m3/d) in 2005, a reduction from 423,700 bbl/d (67,360 m3/d) in 2004. For the first eight months of 2006, crude oil output was flat, averaging 412,500 bbl/d (65,580 m3/d)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Yemen#Oil_and_gas

Does anyone know if Yemen is part of the PNAC plan? I can't believe Obama would continue these Republican policies as if there are no technological alternatives to oil.

[babylonsister]

10. From your link, what part of this don't you understand?

"Yemen is a small oil producer and does not belong to the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). Unlike many regional oil producers, Yemen relies heavily on foreign oil companies that have production-sharing agreements with the government.

snip//

The World Bank predicts that Yemen's oil and gas revenues will plummet during 2009 and 2010, and fall to zero by 2017 as supplies run out

Seems to me you're just throwing shit out there and hoping something sticks. :eyes:

[platoslab]

14. Wars cost $$

It doesn't make any financial sense to start wars and occupy other counties especially while we are in a recession. We could use the funds right here at home.

"Yemen contains proven crude oil reserves of more than 4 billion barrels." -Wikipedia

That is a lot of oil till 2017. I can understand if Obama (& Bush) is looking out for our long term economic interests but isn't there a better way?

[dipsydoodle]

9. He could not have got into the EU

by plane without a passport - period.

[platoslab]

12. That settles it

Let's ignore first-hand witness statements and trust the official story. Great idea.

[AlbertCat]

15. first-hand witness statements

Witness accounts are notoriously wrong all the time.

In Richard Dawkins' new book he talks about an experiment where a group was told to watch a film of people throwing a basket ball to each other as they moved around a circle. The watchers were to try to remember how many times the ball was thrown and to whom. Then they answered a questionnaire. One question was "who saw the gorilla?". No one did. But when watching the film again after the questionnaire, they see, while the folks run around and pass the ball, a man in a gorilla suit calmly walk out into the middle of the group, wave at the camera and walk off. None (or few) of the witnesses saw him the 1st time.

Eye witnesses are very very unreliable.

[platoslab]

16. Conversation was heard

Mr. Haskell overheard the actual conversation between the unidentified man and flight representative. I doubt any significant amount of distraction was present at the time.

[dipsydoodle]

18. Think about it

He'd have needed to know in advance that he wouldn't be denied entry in Holland if he had no passport. If by the time he reached your side he didn't have a passport it just means he dumped it earlier.

[Socal31]

11. You know...

That tin only amplifies the waves! Be careful!

[Robb]

13. ...

[Robb]

4. I just want to point out the Politico slant here.

"Thousands upon thousands of names were scrubbed" from the list -- presumably removed after review -- and dozens were "moved to different lists."

And Politico runs with "Dozens added to no-fly list." :eyes:

[Dr.Phool]

17. It's just another excuse to invade Venezuela!

It makes perfect sense. A bunch of Saudis attack us, you invade Iraq. A Nigerian who visited Yemen......