Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying

[complain jane]

Source: msnbc

LIMA, Peru - A high-ranking Peruvian government official confirmed to NBC News that Joran van der Sloot confessed to the slaying of a 21-year-old Lima woman.

According to La Republica newspaper, he said that his anger exploded and he broke Stephany Flores' neck after she grabbed to use his laptop without his permission, and found out that he was involved in the murder of an American.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37542848/ns/world_news-americas/

[Scairp]

1. Uh huh

Wonder how many fingernails he has left.

[complain jane]

2. Huh?

The girl's body was found in his hotel room and he had bloody clothes with him when he was arrested.

[sandnsea]

4. I missed the clothes story

If it's not too gruesome, were the items identified as hers?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. As much as they can be a little more ahem

intense... there is plenty of circumstantial here, including bloody clothes and the a few other things.

[guappo1]

30. Aruba Monster

We can only hope that there is something there that links him to the case in Aruba. This feels a little like OJ

[WinkyDink]

48. Are you insane? THEY HAD HIM ON VIDEO.

[Taverner]

57. I'm sure he did it - but at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if he "fell down" a few times

[twiceshy]

60. That is pretty common in Peru.

My wife's from Peru and once she had her purse stolen by a couple thugs. The police caught up with them and called her in to identify the culprits, which she did. To her horror, the police then proceeded to kick the living crap out of the two thugs. Yeah, I would say the murderer of the daughter of a popular figure in Lima might bring some physical retaliation, if not now certainly down the road.

I really don't have a problem with it.

[Taverner]

63. Well I have a problem with it, but I'm not losing any sleep over it

Like my thoughts on the Death Penalty

I am against it for a number of reasons: What if the guy was innocent, what good does it do, and it is not a deterrent.

But when someone is put to death in CA, they have exhausted most of their appeals (unlike TX) and CA does save the DP for the most heinous of cases.

I don't feel any sympathy for the condemned. But all in all I'd rather see him in solitary 23 hours a day, just like the BTK guy.

[Critters2]

70. Surprisingly, Peru doesn't have a DP. The most he could get is 35 years.

Odd that.

[Taverner]

75. Yeah I know - and Sloot will get more justice served in 35 years

Than any killer on death row will ever get

[complain jane]

64. He deserves to "fall down" a few times.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

73. I love it when DUers endorse torture!

[Codeine]

79. The prison rape jokes will begin soon.

Prison rape humor is apparently the height of progressive political thought for some people.

[fascisthunter]

86. saying someone deserves to fall down is endorsing torture?

heh?

[complain jane]

84. sigh

Lighten up.:eyes:

[Vogon_Glory]

90. To Quote Doctor Smith

"oh, the pain, oh, the pain."

I've zero sympathy for the scuzzball.

:evilgrin:

[bluestateguy]

5. Oh that's important

For the victim's family, anyway.

But the rest of the country.

[flvegan]

6. "he broke Stephany Flores' neck after she grabbed to use his laptop without his permission"

If true...enjoy prison, shitbag. May you live long, every single day of the life given you in prison. May you suffer each one.

[Ex Lurker]

7. he won't last long in a Peruvian prison, assuming he ever gets there

the victim comes from a very wealthy/powerful family. They may just make him disappear.

[flvegan]

9. I'd rather he serve his full term.

That's punishment.

[4lbs]

14. I agree. South American prisons make U.S. prisons seem like country clubs by comparison.

Dude's rich judge father can't help him escape punishment now, like he did 5 years ago, even if he was still alive.

[tblue]

16. That pic in your post is the stuff of nightmares.

oy.

[awoke_in_2003]

98. when i see that bachman pic...

I can't help but think someone is administrating "the shocker"

[Minimus]

19. I agree.

[eagertolearn]

39. But his dad is dead and I think the first bailout didn't do him any good.

[Ex Lurker]

77. I meant the victime's family, not his n/t

[hamsterjill]

40. Dawg!

I hope Dawg Chapman is keeping a close eye on this case!!!!

[Vogon_Glory]

45. I Have A Vision

I have a vision of blonde-haired, blue-eyed Alabamans rooting for the Peruvian national soccer team this year if the Peruvians last further past the playoffs than the US team does!

[Dorian Gray]

56. Agree

I hope he doesn't see daylight again outside of the prison walls. Stay there until he dies of natural causes.

[mzmolly]

66. How does one break another persons neck?

Seems an odd way to murder someone? Poor, poor girl.

[Ex Lurker]

78. he's a big guy, and apparently has an explosive temper n/t

[Common Sense Party]

8. Scum. Animal. Coward.

"No tenía derecho. e acerqué, estaba asustada, discutimos y quiso escapar. La tomé del cuello y la golpeé...",

http://www.larepublica.pe/sociedad/07/06/2010/joran-van-der-sloot-confeso-haber-matado-stephany-flores


"She had no right , and I got close to her, she was scared, we argued and she wanted to get away. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her..."

I wonder if he got away with any other murders that no one knows about...yet.

[Arkansas Granny]

38. It just gives me cold chills to think of the fear she must have felt when she realized

who she was sitting with in that hotel room. This could have been the story line in a suspense film. That poor girl.

[RZM]

47. Oh rest assured

There will be film(s) :)

[tblue37]

10. Oh, he is quite a piece of work, this guy--

From the end of the article:

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying that after Holloway collapsed on the beach he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

The same journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands (emphasis added).

Those girls usually end up enslaved.

[mzmolly]

67. Yes he is. He's a sociopath. However, he appeared to have remorse

about this murder? Perhaps it's because he was caught.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

11. Nat'l Geographic photos of Lurigancho Prison...one of the three his sick ass might call "home"

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Photos/1

[Politics_Guy27]

12. He killed her over a laptop??

Just wow..

[Amerigo Vespucci]

13. The tinfoil hat theories are already in full force...

...I just took a look at the posts on Free Republic and a number of people over there think that he has "Natalee Holloway evidence" on the laptop and that's what she saw.

[complain jane]

23. Well that actually might be, because

he was also busted extorting $250,000 from the Holloway family promising to disclose the location of her body. I think he got nailed for that the same day he killed this girl, weird or what.

[NashVegas]

61. Yeah

interesting coincidence, don't you think?

[Delphinus]

25. Welcome, Politics_Guy27.

Glad to have you around! :hi:

[LanternWaste]

68. Murder over a cellphone last month in Mobile, AL

Murder over a cellphone last month in Mobile, AL-- seems people get pissed off enough to kill for the smallest things these days...

[pattmarty]

26. Maybe there really is a God. This fucking shitbag deserves the "best".

:sarcasm:

[Xipe Totec]

32. It's interesting how some of the toughest prisions in the world have names begining with 'L'

Lurigancho - Peru

Lucumberri - Mexico (the Black Palace)

Lubyanka - Russia (KGB)

Levenworth - USA

[pattmarty]

55. Well shit, I sure hope he enjoys his LONG (hopefully) stay.

[mzmolly]

69. Looks like his life of ultimate privilege and entitlement are about to go

POOF.

[meow mix]

81. im sure he'll meet a lot of new friends

ut oh

[TorchTheWitch]

95. There's a really good video at that site of Lurigancho Prison

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/player.html?channel=1797

The first half of the video is about the Santa Martha prison in Mexico City, Mexico and the second half is about Lurigancho in Peru. Supposedly, these are the two worst prisons in the world.

Although Van Der Sloot is in solitary at Castro Castro prison in Peru for his own protection, he may end up being transferred to general population (which as I understand it is not all that different than Lurigancho) and he may also end up being transferred to the general population at Lurigancho itself.

Although I don't have any sympathy for violent criminals, I believe that prisoners everywhere should be housed humanely with adiquate food, water, medical care and hygenic needs.

[flamingdem]

15. What's a Vander Sloot? nt

[Arrowhead2k1]

17. She found out about him that fast? What did she see?

She immediately decided to google his name just like that? Or does he have a "I killed Natalee Holloway wallpaper" on his computer?

[Scairp]

21. That part makes no sense

It could be something got lost in translation, and he certainly could be a two time killer of young women, but this alleged confession coming so quickly is very suspicious. The family has political connections, I'm just saying if they obtained a confession through torture, it's deeply wrong. And I don't see how he can get a fair trial in Lima.

[customerserviceguy]

28. If he can't get a fair trial in Peru

Then, with his reputation, he never should have gone there.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

29. I too am surprised he confessed.

He's a sociopath with a little legal knowledge apparently learned from his (now deceased) judge father. The guy, at least according to his hidden tape confession in the Holloway case, knows the value of "dummying up" to the cops.

I too wonder if he had "help" confessing.

[hamsterjill]

41. He'll take it back, of course.

He'll have some artful lawyer who will say he was coerced into confessing, etc. Fully expected, but somehow I think he's going to pay for this one!

He confessed several times about Holloway, always telling a different story and insisting that he'd lied when confronted over any confession.

[complain jane]

65. The authorities have hinted

that there was more incriminating evidence than has been let on to the media.

I'm not so sure that his "legal knowledge" gained from his father would encompass the Peruvian justice system. Things might be a little different. Plus Daddy's not around to cover his ass any more.

And supposedly, at the same time he was extorting $250,000 from Beth Holloway's mother for details of how her daughter died and where she is buried- and one article online said that he's now claiming his father helped him bury the body (it's in an article on Fox News) and now that his father just died a few months ago, he was going to tell her the details. For a quarter million, of course.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

72. I'm not saying he is any kind of legal expert. I just seem to remember him bragging ...

... about NOT talking to the cops AT ALL so they wouldn't have anything to trip him up with. Most dumb criminals don't know enough to shut up. He just didn't seem like a confessing kind. But who knows ... faced with overwhelming evidence?

[hamsterjill]

82. His father was a judge

You are absolutely right in that most dumb criminals don't know enough to shut up. Perhaps Joran had been taught from a young age that it is best not to speak to police without an attorney, etc.

I'm glad this guy is in custody and won't be harming any one else.

[WinkyDink]

51. He said he killed her as she grabbed his laptop.

[tqla]

54. Maybe she could't quite place his face or name? You know..

She had heard something but she couldn't remember so she Googled Van Der Sloot. Sounds reasonable to me.

[Minimus]

18. The guy has serious anger and control issues,,,

to get so upset over her grabbing his laptop that he would break her neck...wow!

[complain jane]

24. Yeah I'm not sure I'm even buying that story.

Just sounds a little far fetched.

[Frank Cannon]

27. I think he is just one sick, depraved bastard.

The fact that this woman died 5 years to the day after Natalee Holloway (presumably) is also a bit
"coincidental".

[Scairp]

74. It's not that easy

Unless you are trained to snap another person's neck with just your bare hands, it's very difficult to do. It looks bad for him, her body in his room, but the fact that it is the second time he's been arrested for allegedly killing a girl he met on the same night, he certainly seems to have caved very quickly. Sounds pretty suspicious.

[complain jane]

83. the major difference might be his father

His judge father allegedly (according to him and he's a liar so who knows) helped him dispose of the body in the Holloway case, and helped him stay out of jail.

Now his father's dead. For all we know his father might have been an even bigger psychopath than he is.

But I agree, it does sound sketchy.

[RobinA]

89. My Thought Exactly

With Holloway he immediately ran to Dad for help. Now Dad's not around and his true intellectual abilities are front and center. He's obviously a flaming idiot, among other things.

[Chulanowa]

20. There are no words

What a piece of smeg.

[Quantess]

22. Case is finally closed!

His daddy can't save him this time.

[sinkingfeeling]

31. He only confessed because a confession under Peruvian law will mean a lesser sentence.

[WinkyDink]

52. It usually does here, too.

[Myrina]

33. ... remnant of the 80's yuppie scum ...

... VanderSloot reminds me so much of the idle-rich yuppie fucker stereotype that ran rampant in the 80's, spending their daddy's money, wasting time at Ivy League Schools, driving BMW's, gambling, partying, taking too many designer drugs and sporting the pop collar izods & deck-shoes ... hey, wait ... didn't one of them just spend 8 years pretending to be President?


:shrug:

[wordpix]

34. yes one was prezeldent & more are running BP & other oil corps

[glitch]

88. Everything's still the same except the Izod. nt

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[Rebubula]

36. I would bet...

...that there are others that he has killed.

He just got caught for this one.

[hamsterjill]

42. I'm sure you are right!

I'm betting there is a long list of his victims. Perhaps on his laptop. Who knows. But I feel sure there are other victims that didn't get publicity.

He is one depraved SOB if you ask me.

[Dinger]

44. I Hope They HAve That Laptop

and excavate all the shit I'm sure there is on it. Don't serial killers like to keep "mementos" of their crimes. For some its body parts, wallets, articles of clothing, driver's license, etc. For some, it's on their laptop.

[hamsterjill]

46. And the five year anniversary

He's got to be a real sicko to have killed Flores exactly five years after Holloway. I think he was testing the limits, hoping to laugh in the face of the authorities one more time.

Hasn't exactly gone in his favor this time, has it?

As a mother, I'd like to see him put in a small room alone with Beth Holloway for 10 minutes.

[LisaM]

62. Those of us who aren't mothers care about stuff, too

I'm sure you meant no harm, but I get really tired of people who act as if mothers are somehow better/more caring/more deserving than those of use who never had that opportunity.

Sorry, I'm not trying to pick on you in particular, but it rankles.

[hamsterjill]

76. No, no offense was meant.

And I hope you take no offense to my comment here - but it's getting to the point that normal discussion is being picked to pieces on this board.

I feel many times that I can't post ANYTHING that doesn't offend SOMEONE.

[awoke_in_2003]

99. i find your post offensive

:rofl: :hi:

[Jennicut]

37. Seems like there is some eveidence there so not too surprised.

Plus, her father ran for President of Peru...Joran no longer has the rich and powerful to help him.

[Vogon_Glory]

43. May The Wheels of Justice Move Forward

May the wheels of justice move forward and deal with this villain as he deserves.

I have a cousin in Alabama who was very upset with the Natalee Holloway disappearance and seeing van der Sloot in Peruvian custody gives me a little hope that the villain can be persuaded to talk about what really happened to her.

:grr:

[Steerpike]

49. aaagh!

This peice of shit needs to be put down like the low down asshole he is!

[WinkyDink]

50. He must have seen the original "Day of the Jackal."

[Myrina]

53. ... now if they can just get that fucker Drew Peterson ...

:evilfrown:

... then I'll start to believe there is justice in the universe.

[Critters2]

71. Book him a vacation to Peru. People tend to confess there. nt

[Jokinomx]

58. They just announced that max prison term in Peru for murder... only 35 years. n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

93. It could be only five years, but it wouldn't really matter at this point -- he's a dead man. nt

[douglas9]

59. Could Feds Have Arrested Van Der Sloot for Extortion Before Peru Murder?

Weeks after the FBI monitored the payment of $15,000 to Joran van der Sloot by an alleged extortion victim, the Dutch playboy took a seat at a poker table in a Peruvian casino where he would meet the woman whose battered body would later be found in his blood smeared hotel room.
Dutch national investigated for extortion weeks before Peru murder.

U.S. authorities told ABCNews.com that they launched an extortion investigation of van der Sloot six weeks ago, before Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, was found beaten and stabbed to death last week.

U.S. investigators said they did not issue a warrant for his arrest until this week because they lacked sufficient evidence.

The federal extortion investigation began in late April, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office in Birmingham said.

On May 10, $15,000 was wired to a Netherlands bank by someone in Mountain Brook, Ala., allegedly in exchange for a promise by van der Sloot to provide information about what happened to Natalee Holloway and the whereabouts of her remains.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/International/feds-arrested-van-der-sloot-extortion-peru-muder/story?id=10828251

[KillCapitalism]

80. It's a good thing this happened in Peru, not Aruba again.

In Peru I believe you're guilty until proven innocent. The authorities there know that they're dealing with a serial killer, so I'm pretty confident he'll be convicted. Hope he has fun eating molded bread in a shithole of a prison there.

[TorchTheWitch]

97. No - but you're guilty by preponderance of the evidence

rather than beyond a reasonable doubt. Guilty by preponderance of the evidence is what we use for civil cases in the US. In Peru it's also for criminal cases. There is no guilty until proven innocent there... at least legally. How one is treated is another matter, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference in the US... we tend to pay a lot of lip service to innocent until proven guilty and treat alleged criminals the opposite.

One of the larger problems in Peru is that there are so few defense attorneys that the typical wait to go to trial is about four years there. Because of the considerable amount of international attention this case has received, Joran's wait for trial will be considerably less than that... his trial is being bumped a lot closer to the head of the line which means someone else's trial is going to have to be put on hold considerably longer.

[VermeerLives]

85. Van der Sloot is a sociopath

He shows no empathy or remorse whatsoever. When he said he killed her because she had no right to snoop in his computer, it was all so matter-of-fact, as if we should all understand. I hope he's put away for life.

And by the way, I heard that the others might start talking now that he's in jail; apparently they were afraid of him. Like I said, he's a sociopath.

[fascisthunter]

87. nailed him

[Judi Lynn]

91. Van der Sloot a Dead Man, Says Ex-Con

June 19, 2010
Van der Sloot a Dead Man, Says Ex-Con
Predicts Dutchman Charged in Stephany Flores Slaying Will Be Killed by Fellow Inmates in Peru

(CBS) Joran van der Sloot is a goner.

So says prison expert and ex-con Larry Levine, founder of Wall Street Prison Consultants.

On "The Early Show on Saturday Morning," Levine said van der Sloot will never last in prison in Peru, where he's being held for the May 30 slaying of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room.

The Dutchman is also still the chief suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

And, says Levine, he probably doesn't have much time left.
Asked by co-anchor Chris Wragge what advice he'd give van der Sloot, Levine said, "I'd tell him, 'You're not gonna make it,' that 'What you need to do is pray, because someone's gonna kill ya, and just enjoy the rest of the time you have left on Earth.'

"You know, that's a dangerous place. ... You've got murderers there, terrorists there - you've got bad people. And the problem he's facing is that the father of Stephany (Flores) ... is a prominent person. And this is an impoverished prison. And you pay off the right people, ya know, someone will stick a knife right in the guy.

"They'll be lining up to kill him. He has no hope. He has no chance.

"And I could give advice to his mother, that I would go out and buy a black dress and get ready for the funeral, because it's gonna be all over pretty soon."

That's the case even though van Sloot is being kept away from fellow inmates, Levine says. "He's in solitary. He's living in a cellblock that has ten cells to it. He's living by himself. ... His existence is just about over. … It doesn't really matter if they isolate him because, even in a U.S. prison, people can get to people.

"I talked to my buddy, Bobby the Bookmaker, in Vegas. He says you can't even get a line on the guy, because he's a dead man. Nobody's picking up the action on this. The show's over for this kid. He needs to face the facts."

More:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/19/earlyshow/saturday/main6597757.shtml

[fascisthunter]

92. they will do more than just stab him

bank on it...

[Judi Lynn]

94. He's fairly screwn away from the protection of his late dad & his dad's powerful cronies in Aruba.

So you think it's possible someone might want to share some quality time with him first. That wouldn't be pleasant.

[TorchTheWitch]

96. He confessed because it could take a lot of years off his sentence

However, he would have had to have confessed completely and truthfully, and he didn't.

Peru has a very different system where they believe that full and truthful confessions are so beneficial for all concerned that if one does confess fully and truthfully the number of years of one's sentence can be quite drastically reduced. It has been estimated that had Joran confessed truthfully and fully combined with time off for good behavior he could have ended up doing only a mere five to seven years in prison. I absolutely believe that drastic sentence reduction is the only reason Joran confessed once he understood that the evidence against him is so exensive and airtight. However, being the conniving chronic liar he is he made a confession that didn't match the evidence whatsoever and police not only believe he confessed falsely as too make his crime seem less significant but also to attempt to use the confesssion solely as a means to reduce his eventual sentence.

Police believe he killed Stephany in the commission of a robbery since he did know she won a good deal of money at the casino that night and he did rob her in the room either before or after he killed her, and he was also completely broke and had no more pre-paid days in his hotel room. Murder during the commission of a robbery carries a life sentence, and it is a life sentence that Stephany's family is pushing for, and it appears the police do believe that it was not just a simple murder but murder in the commission of a robbery. It then appears that Joran will be getting anywhere between 35 years to life in prison with some amount of time off for good behavior assuming he can live through it.