China Says Won't Sit by if Taiwan Turmoil Worsens

[54anickel]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=nm/taiwan_election_china_dc

BEIJING (Reuters) - China, in its strongest statement yet on the political crisis convulsing Taiwan since its controversial election, warned on Friday it would not stand idly by if the situation on the island spirals out of control.

Analysts said the strong words were aimed at preventing Taiwan independence backers from pushing their agenda after Saturday's narrow re-election of President Chen Shui-bian in a contest immediately rejected by the opposition.

"We will not sit by watching should the post-election situation in Taiwan get out of control, leading to social turmoil, endangering the lives and property of our flesh-and-blood brothers and affecting stability across the Taiwan strait," Beijing's policy-making Taiwan Affairs Office said in a statement.

It reiterated that China was paying close attention to events on the island, which has been racked by protests and political paralysis since Chen, who leans toward Taiwan independence, won re-election by the thinnest of margins on Saturday. The opposition swiftly contested the result and demanded a recount.

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[David__77]

1. Wow, I'm sure that will get things in order...

I think you'll see a unifying of political forces after that comment. I don't think the comment was meant to threaten military action, but some will perceive it as such.

[yltlatl]

2. Everything China has to say about Taiwan

implies the threat of military action as far as I can tell. I would love to see a free and independent Taiwan, but this sh** could really foul things up in a big way what w/ Shrub taking an aggressive pro-Taiwan stance.

[David__77]

3. I do not think the US should recognize "Taiwan"

I'm in the minority on the left, which agrees with the right that the US should encourage "Taiwan independence."

It is a part of China, and the US should not interfere in this intra-China issue.

[Muddleoftheroad]

4. The hell with China

Taiwan has been independent for over 50 years. It's about time that the assholes on the mainland accepted that fact.

[mumon]

6. They haven't invaded yet...

It's unlikely they would.

But again, Taiwan's status has been in question only for a decade or so- remember they once considered themselves as having "all" of China.

China does, despite our wishes to the contrary, have a legitimate interest in Taiwan- more than we have, in say, Puerto Rico or Guam.

From their point of view, Taiwan exists as a strategic gambit on the part of the US to keep China weak and divided.

Yeah, yeah, China has human rights problems and corruption (so does the US.)

And if they didn't have them, it would justify the use of US power to keep China divided?

[David__77]

7. We do disagree, yes.

That is clear. I agree with US policy since 1979 regarding China and Taiwan affairs.

China should respect Taiwan's social system.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. China should butt out

Taiwan has been under Chinese control virtually none of the last 100 years. It's about time for them to understand that they have a democratic neighbor that is not Chinese and that we will defend that neighbor if it is attacked.

[David__77]

10. I think that will not happen any time soon.

But, again, that would be a solution that would mutually agreed by the two parties. That is highly preferable to outside interference. But since you consider China to be "outside interference," we cannot speak of the matter within roughly the same framework.

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. It's not China, it's Taiwan

Most of the residents there have never been citizens of China.

So there is only one solution, a solution that TAIWAN wants. If that is also what China wants, then that's great. If not, too bad for them.

[David__77]

20. "Republic of China on Taiwan."

You say "Taiwan," I say "China." They certainly have not surrendered their claim to represent all of China though--"Republic of China," it still is.

[Chicago Democrat]

45. Its a complex issue and I take your view as well.

China has done many bad things. The invasion and cultural genocide of Tibet is worst on my list. Current human rights record is #2.

Formosa was part of China until 1949, and so "Taiwan" or whatever you want to call it of course is simply the rump Chinese Nationalists state which ruled China prior to 1949. The Nationalist brought the treasures of China's past with them and they are Chinese.

So China's claim on Formosa is far, far more credible and genuine and reasonable than anything on the agenda. That said. The US should support democracy in China, mainland and Taiwan. The Chinese should be held to account for thier international obligations and promises with respect to Hong Kong, which they have violated with respect to Hong Kong democracy. The Bush administration has done little to affect China behavior here or anywhere.

WHat should we do if China actually invades Taiwan? I believe that an invasion of Taiwan by China should be opposed at all costs short of a US/China war.

War between the Chinese and the US would be a horror, and for the reasons I cited above, morally and historically questionable. We could do alot more to help prevent a Chinese invasion. Aren't they technically still at war? We should pressure them to settle the war and get China more democratic in return.

[bpilgrim]

73. whaddaya auditioning for some john wyane remake?

peace

[w4rma]

82. Muddleoftheroad is correct, imho. China has absolutely NO claim on Taiwan.

bpilgrim, I'm very surprised to see you supporting China, one of, if not the, most totalitarian countries in the world, over a Taiwan who has a very good and working democratic-republic.

If China invaded Taiwan, I truely hope that the U.S. doesn't chicken out and instead helps defend Taiwan.

[WhereIsMyFreedom]

87. If anyone needs to butt out

it is the US. That island belonged to China before the revolution, it belongs to China after the revolution. The only reason the losing government has existed on Taiwan for all of these years is because the US interfered in China's internal business. China has every right to claim ownership of Taiwan.

Before you start making claims about China's government, I suggest you learn something about it. Perhaps bpilgrim supports China because for all intents and purposes China is a Democracy. Sure, we don't call them that and they don't call themselves that but they are. The people of China elect their government every four years. Blaming the current government for things that an older government did is like blaming Clinton for everything that Reagen and Bush Sr. did.

[Muddleoftheroad]

138. China does not own Taiwan

Any more than Britain owns America.

That ship sailed. If the Chinese don't like it, well, too bad.

As for your statement: "for all intents and purposes China is a Democracy." That defies reason.

[mumon]

5. Let me translate...

"We want to keep making money with you guys in Taiwan, so we're making a threat for our domestic consumption as well as yours. You guys actually running the country and making both of us money will no doubt do the right thing."

- The People's Republic of China, to Taiwan...

[Merlin]

9. That pretty much sums it up. n/t

:-)

[Ganja Ninja]

11. China knows a weak leader when it sees one.

They are going to move and they know Bush won't be able to lift a finger.

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. If they move, America will stop them

Bush would have no choice. He would be instantly impeached by his own if he did not.

[Merlin]

14. Absolutely correct. No US president could fail to act. This is bluster.

China will not risk everything by intervening, destroying their economy, and possibly touching off a world war. There may be a lot of idealogical apparatchiks in China, but there are many, many astude realists as well.

[Muddleoftheroad]

16. Well said

Bluster. Exactly.

[Just Me]

25. Yeah,...I simply cannot imagine that China will act so irrationally.

I have read this thread five times, chewing on it, incorporating my own experiences and knowledge,...and I cannot, based upon this post, believe that China is going to act upon a narrow ideological premise.

[bpilgrim]

75. perfect timming for bluster

and wars by proxy since we are now STUCK in our own mess.

whoever had a score to settle against the u.s. NOW, because of our current strat and situtation born of it, since we haven't been this vulnerable and isolated since wwII as ted kenedy noted last week or so.

nice job neoCONs :toast:

peace

[Ganja Ninja]

15. If they are going to move now would be the time.

They have Bush by the short hairs. We need Chinese steel for our economy. The whole world economy would be screwed if a war breaks out. I put more faith in the Chinese to keep the peace than I would Bush.

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. China would be screwed

Facing off with the U.S. Navy and trying to cross the straits without losing 100,000 men and their entire navy in the effort.

[cclark401]

18. I don't think

* would send our troops to defend T. Our forces are sooo scattered as it is. I think he would more than likely impose sanctions on China which would in turn do lots of damage to all those Wal Mart stock holders.

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. Don't need troops

It is a Navy and Air Force battle all the way.

Invading and holding a big nation is one thing. Protecting a little island from invasion is quite another.

[yltlatl]

22. Tactically I'm sure you're correct...

But I have no idea why you assume that a serious military confrontation between the U.S. and China would remain contained to Taiwan. Any escalation at all would almost certainly set off Korea, and we all know what a CF that would be. As another poster pointed out, our forces are stretched very thin protecting the Empire, and as another poster pointed out there's very little reason to expect this administration to show any restraint. IF such a catastrophic confrontation WERE to occur, I would expect it to go nuclear or worse in a very short amount of time as the US seeks to compensate for the relatively small amount of forces available vs. the more or less unlimited sheer man-power of China. Hopefully I'm dead wrong, but I do think that defending Taiwan--democracy or not--is folly. And even if we did decide to defend Taiwan, announcing it ahead of time is diplomatic folly given the situation.

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. The threat of nukes would keep it confined

In some ways, being stretched thin makes it simple. If China actually attacks anywhere, they run that risk. And they are bound to know it is a very real possibility.

We can't allow a democratic nation like Taiwan to just be conquered by a totalitarian one like China. Just like Poland in WWII, you draw the line even if it means war.

[ConcernedCanuk]

21. Hmmm - the US made the mistake in Vietnam of thinking "bodycount"

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would eventually weaken the Vietnamese, whom I believe ended up losing over 3million to the US's 58,000.

China has approx 1.3 BILLION people, and to lose the equivalent of the whole population of the United States would still leave them with a Billion people . .

So 100,000 or so would not be a deterrent.

AND,

The US has spread itself pretty thin lately.

NK could possibly jump in on China's behalf also, and NK has more Military than the US, no? . and, NK is RIGHT THERE!!

Nope,

NOT a time for the USA to get involved with China if it comes to that methinks . .

[Muddleoftheroad]

26. Losing 100,000 front line soldiers

And being totally crushed in combat could well jumpstart the revolution that China has been sitting on for decades. Except the military might well be part of it if they thought they were poorly used.

I am not focused on body count so much as the crushing defeat that would occur.

As for North Korea, do you honestly think that they would ever attack south without running into a nuclear barrier? I don't. No U.S. president would let 37,000 American troops be killed without nuking the invading force.

So, in summary, I think China will bluster and remember that fighting a major power runs major risks. That ain't their style these days.

[saigon68]

30. Ya where would WALMART get all the CHEAP bullshit crap to sell

China needs WALMART to keep millions of "workers", prisoners and children busy making all kinds of cheap crap to sell to the manufacturing employees, currently manufacturing at McDonald's.

[kera]

49. china has nuke too

I was really under the impression that UD were for peace it is a big disappointment to realixe that deep down your are warmonger no different from rummy and Co .

that mentality gets us into the illegal war in Iraq

I quit

[realdeal22k]

125. China nukes against the USA are like firecrackers against cannons

China knows a nuke exchange would render them glass. They need another angle.

[DrWeird]

27. Excuse me but...

doesn't China have enough anti-ship missles to sink the entire US Navy several times over?

[Crachet2004]

33. They are said to have the Russian Mosquito...we call it the Sunburn,

I think. It flies very low and over mach 2...40-50 mile range, I think. I read a couple of articles about it on the net, when we were invading Iraq.

The Russian flotilla shadowing our fleet was armed with them. It sounded like they cannot be stopped, unless you kill the platform before launch.

They can be launched from land, air or sea.

Only a fool would attack China over Taiwan. Taiwan would be slagged in the process.

In the event of such a war, the Russians and possibly even the Europeans would supply China. Everyone would love to see us get a bloody nose...and we would. Might not even win. Did'nt in Vietnam or the Korean War, what has changed? One thing-China is much stronger now.

As China becomes more human in it's governance-and it has become better than it was under Mao-the odds become better for some sort of agreement over Taiwan...similar to Hong Kong, perhaps.

Bush will not attack China over Taiwan. What Taiwan has been to the US in the past, China is rapidly becoming, in Spades. Our main source of cheap, skilled-and unskilled labor.

[Muddleoftheroad]

34. Oh yeah, more super weapons

People always talk about such things, but if they worked, somebody would be actively using them.

And again, if you think Russia will help China grow powerful, you are being delusional.

There is no hope of a Hong Kong bargain with Taiwan as long as China is totalitarian. So if either system must conquer, it must be democracy and even then I doubt Taiwan wants to be part of it. Every day new Taiwanese are born who have no memory of any true connection to China. Every day, China's hold on Taiwan lessens.

Bush will not need to defend Taiwan against China (notice the difference in wording?) That's because China won't dare attack unless their government is near collapse anyhow. And then it would be too late.

[Layman]

35. Sure about that?

...Although the Russians refused to sell any SS-N-22s to Vice Admiral Bowes in 1995, they later made a very public sale of more than 100 Sunburns to the Chinese, who mounted them on frigates and corvettes, which they stationed near Taiwan. Thus by 2001, both the Russian and Chinese Pacific Fleets were fully equipped with 200+ Sunburns, each and every one of them easily capable of sinking an American aircraft carrier.
If you like to read and weep more;
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:t3pwNiIc3fIJ:www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.

[Muddleoftheroad]

39. Ah yes, more on the super weapons

And I'm sure each and every one sprouts horns and a tail as well.

That's why they've been used so effectively so far...

[jayfish]

41. The Systems Are Real. The Difference Between The Chineese,...

Russians and all the rest of the flys that we, routinely, hammer is that they know how to use them. They almost 100 years of experience in modern warfare on a world stage. This translates to training and discipline. These foes (regardless of their systems) are not to be taken lightly. Win or lose the cost would be immeasurable.

Jay

[Muddleoftheroad]

53. Never take any foes lightly

But no matter how you slice it, getting an invasion force across water against a small island is a tough nut to crack. China won't try it. Too much to lose, too little to gain.

[jayfish]

58. A Much Better And More Plausable...

argument on why China may not subjugate Taiwan. It can be overcome but China would lose a lot in the process.

Jay

[NickB79]

50. How can you say they're ineffective?

When was the last time ANY capital ships were destroyed in combat? WWII? We didnt lose any in Korea or Vietnam, AFAIK. They may or may not be "super-weapons", but if the Russians developed them to counter the US threat during the Cold War and had enough faith to equip their fleet with them, I'd be concerned. Furthermore, their tactical-nuke warhead capability alone is enough for me to be worried.

[Muddleoftheroad]

54. Tactical nukes

It doesn't matter if they have one or 1,000 missiles if they use nukes. If China wishes to end the world over a Taiwanese gambit, then the world will end. And if they nuke the American Navy, they will cease to exist as a world power. How many cities would be nukes under ANY presidency in response to such an act?

Several I'd guess including Peking.

[NickB79]

90. Tactical nukes are just one option on the Sunburn missiles

They can take out modern-day capital ships without having to rely on nuclear warheads. So, the Chinese can sink US ships through conventional means as well. What happens then? Will the US resort to tactical nukes if it loses an aircraft carrier to a non-nuclear warhead and be shunned and loathed by EVERY nation on Earth for using them? We didnt use nuclear weapons in Korea or Vietnam, even when things were going badly for US troops and generals wanted them deployed. If 58,000 dead soldiers in Vietnam didn't push the US to nuke N. Vietnam, I can't see a few thousand dead sailors and a few dozen sunken battleships doing the trick either.

[Muddleoftheroad]

93. War

I don't share your fantasy about instant Chinese superiority over American arms. However, even if it is true, do you honestly think the commander in the field will let his entire fleet be destroyed? Many tactical nuclear weapons are released to the commander on site.

Even if that commander is averse to using them, I doubt any president will want to see an entire fleet wiped out.

Doing so would be a pretty thorough act of war. War is seldom limited.

[mouse7]

94. Falklands War

England and Argentina lost one ship of significance each.

[Layman]

51. Here's some horns and tails for ya. Care for another serving?

Highlights: 350km range 150kg warhead max speed M5.2
accuracy within 500 meters
Just in case you missed that muddleoftheroad that's Mach5.2 I'm afraid many Americanos share your cavalier attitude towards death what with your signature line. Let's hope the Chinese act more mature then your typical Washingtton warrior.



The WS-2 MRL system is the most powerful in the world. MRL rockets are generally less expensive than ballistic missiles. With China's industrial strength, China can potentially produce and deploy massive numbers of this formidable weapon. WS-2 rockets have the range to strike all of Taiwan.


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Date Posted: 25-Feb-2004


JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - MARCH 03, 2004

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China develops WS-2 multiple rocket launcher
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS JDW Land Forces Editor
London

A new long-range multiple rocket launcher (MRL) is being developed by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) under the designation of the WS-2 (Wei Shi 2).

The rockets fired by the new WS-2 are understood to have a maximum range of 350km compared to the 100km maximum range of the earlier WS-1 MRL system. The rocket is fitted with a terminal-guidance device which is said to provide accuracy to within 500m.

The WS-2, like the WS-1, is based on a 6 x 6 or 8 x 8 cross- country chassis fitted with a forward-control cab. At the rear of the chassis is a mount with one layer of three rocket launcher tubes.

To provide a more stable firing platform, hydraulic stabilisers are lowered to the ground. The system takes 20 minutes to enter action and the rockets can be fired one at a time or in a salvo.

The WS-1 was developed in the late 1980s; the first version had four 302mm-diameter rocket tubes in two layers of two. This fired rockets to ranges of between 40km and 100km with a circular error of probability (CEP) of 1% of the rocket's range. The WS-1's solid-propellant rockets are 4.737m long, weigh 524kg at launch with a 150kg warhead and have a maximum speed of M4.2.

This was followed by the WS-1B which has four 302mm rocket tubes. This fires rockets to ranges of 60-180km with a CEP of 1-1.25% of range.

The 6.276m-long rockets have a launch weight of 725kg, including a 150kg warhead. Maximum speed is M5.2. The rockets can be fitted with various types of warheads including submunitions, fragmentation and "cloud blasting".

The WS-1 and WS-1B are normally mounted on the Mercedes-Benz 6 x 6 cross-country chassis manufactured under licence by China North Industries Corporation.

While the prime contractor for the WS-1 and WS-2 is the CPMIEC, it is understood that the solid-propellant rockets are produced by the Sichuan Aerospace Industry Corporation.

In addition to being in service with the People's Liberation Army (PLA), it is believed that the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC) received the WS-1 in the late 1990s.

Some sources indicate that five batteries were supplied, each having six launchers, six resupply vehicles and associated command vehicles.

They are based on the MAN 6 x 6 cross-country chassis, which was already used by the TLFC for a number of applications, including the TR-122 (40-round) 122mm rocket launcher (JDW 14 January).

[Chicago Democrat]

47. You think that's true? I hope its not. Bush likes despots I thought.

I thought Bush basically bent over backwards forthe Chinese who after all, finance our debt and provide slave like workers completely controlled and without any freedom to organize or oppose the entrenched Oligarchs.

I think Bush wants to make America just like that.

[Muddleoftheroad]

55. The GOP likes Taiwan

They won't abandon it.

[mmm]

63. your claim is naive beyond belief: China holds 82 billion in US bonds!

China is your second biggest bondholder claiming $82 billion worth of securities in the US. If they start dumping, the US economy
would crumble overnight. Literally.
There is NO WAY this country can afford to fuck with China.
Not now. Not ever.

[mmm]

64. If China really wanted Formosa back, they would take it.

And the US would do NOTHING to stop them.

[Muddleoftheroad]

66. Well, I hope the Chinese are wiser than you on this

Would you risk the end of the world for one island?

I hope they wouldn't because I am sure the U.S. would. The GOP would lose all of its support if it abandoned Taiwan to China. So yes, we would fight and we should.

Freedom is worth fighting for.

[Muddleoftheroad]

65. LOL

America has survived war before. It would survive again. What would happen to the Chinese economy if they dumped the bonds? There is no guarantee they would get anywhere near what they are worth.

We live in an interconnected world and that helps keep China from conquering its neighbors.

[dArKeR]

76. mmm, I really respect honest people with facts, like you. I don't care if

you're a Republican, you've got my respect. If people, Media, leaders... just reported the truth our world wouldn't have so many problems.

I have European friends who have also informed of this kind of stuff. Japan... and who's no longer buying our bonds and what we're doing to them...

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China's New 'Self-Defense' Tool: U.S. Bonds
http://www.iht.com/IHT/PS/98/ps040398a.html


Chinese Mainland, the Second Biggest Holder of US T-Bonds
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200208/09/eng20020809_101194.shtml

[dArKeR]

78. Does the GOP like Taiwan because of the free sex, like Neil Bush got, or

is it the money laundering? Taiwan and the United States have no coorperation on Banking/Financial matters. (someone told me this verbally and I don't have verification.) I'm wondering if TW US have no extradition treaties either? But some guy was wanted for killing his wife/girlfriend in the USA and TW arrested him and sent him back. I'm sure on this, it just happened last month.

The drug trade coming from Asia?

The CIA/NSA staffers have an intimate relation with Taiwan. Taiwan was/is the covert base for agents going into China and other Asian countries.

[dArKeR]

23. Bias reporting in the USA! Anyone in Taiwan or who lived in Taiwan knows

this 'protesting' is no big deal. This kind of stuff happens often and over much smaller issues! Police in Taiwan NEVER club, use gas, bully, shoot, or arrest ANY Protesters! I can't believe CBS and Yahoo ran a story about Taiwan protesting, just before this China story. I've seen more coverage on this than on the Coup in Korea!

These people protesting are hired by the KMT to cause trouble. These people are also the ones who are losing money from Chen arresting the KMT car/scooter thieves and shipping them to China; Gun/drug smugglers brining goods in from China/PI; Bank/Mafia gangsters who can no longer make Loan Shark loans to the Taiwan citizens; KMT Thugs who are no longer getting illegal 'public' bid contracts from the Government and having to contend with honest public bidding...

Where are dirty shit American Media Whores (Mike Chinoy...) who should be telling the world the truth?

I've never seen English protest sign in Taiwan. (Except the one I made!) (maybe 1 or 2 very small.) But I looked through the Yahoo picture story and it has more than 50 pics with KMT Mafia Cronies holding English signs. This protest is being orchestrated by the KMT and Communist China because the KMT Pigs are finished in Formosa. This is their last desparate attempt to murder the people of Formosa and the American media is helping and agitating and supporting the Criminal KMT Fascists and helping the dirty red Communist bastards! Bush is an absolute disgrace to morals, honesty and Christianity!

And is any dirty shit Media Whore might find their morals, they'd tell you Formosa was NEVER a part of China. Why don't we just give Guam to China? The dirty Chinese Communist bastards probably have more right to Saipan than they do to Formosa!

Life is normal in Formosa, this is desparate criminal activity but Abian lets them hang themselves.

It's impossible to cheat in a Taiwan election. Where are the international observers that are filing their reports? Why aren't the Media Whore publishing these?

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I'm in San Jose, CA now. I have 2 channels on Comcast Cable with 'Chinese' television. Both are comletely biased for KMT Fascists in Taiwan. I can see the pics they put up. The guest they have on. The TV footage they play. It's all paid for by the illegal money stolen from the Taiwanese people. That's what this is about. It's almost the same as Ma
dela and Apartheid S. Africa. And we all know where Cheney/Bush stood on that.

CSPAN also ran a 30 min. CTI, (owned by KMT media) with 4 KMT heavy weights and 1 DPP spokesperson.) All the footage made it look like a complete breakdown, like Baghdad. But from friend was their taking pictutes and he said it's not that many people and it was only a few gangsters doing the pushing.


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More info:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=116x4823

[Layman]

37. It's Posts Like This Is Make Me Proud To Be A D.U.er

"These people protesting are hired by the KMT to cause trouble. These people are also the ones who are losing money from Chen arresting the KMT car/scooter thieves and shipping them to China; Gun/drug smugglers brining goods in from China/PI; Bank/Mafia gangsters who can no longer make Loan Shark loans to the Taiwan citizens; KMT Thugs who are no longer getting illegal 'public' bid contracts from the Government and having to contend with honest public bidding."
Don't have to tell you to keep up the good fight dArKeR. You're doing it! KMT = Green Gang

[NashVegas]

56. Wait a Minute

From Talking Points Memo

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_11_09.php#002193

(November 11, 2003 -- 01:59 PM EDT // link // print)

Okay, a little more on Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian's meeting with Neil Bush, the president's brother, during a brief visit to New York City recently.

Opposition leader James Soong, formerly of the Kuomintang (KMT) and now Chairman of the People First Party, has accused President Chen of paying $1 million to have a meeting with Mr. Bush.

But that's not what I went there digging for. It was this: (these)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2002_05_19.php#001436

Also, from my sources in Taiwan, I hear the following: after Paal's announcement the government in Taipei was trying to make the best of it, trying to extend the hand, and so forth. But that seems to have changed. They're now back in suspicion mode and also, it would seem, thinking they may still have some levers to pull in DC. Are these two developments connected? Not clear.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2002_05_12.php#001446

Remember Douglas H. Paal? TPM chronicled his long, restless struggle to secure an ambassador-type appointment in Asia -- any ambassador-type appointment in Asia, really -- from the Bush administration in a March article in The New Republic.

When last we left Mr. Paal ... well, when last we left Mr. Paal, Mr. Paal was leaving us. His long awaited appointment to serve as AIT Director in Taipei -- America's de facto ambassador to Taiwan -- was finally announced on April 5th and off he was supposed to go. This was in spite of the fact that there were still various questions floating out there. But the battle royale between the China hawks and the China engagers was over and Paal was packing his bags.


It's hard to get at what exactly the trouble with Paal was, as the more substantial stuff was published in TNR, but there was this WP story linked to:

Undone Deal?

Back on the Asia front, China hard-liners are beating the drums against the long, long, long anticipated appointment of Bush I East Asia and China hand Douglas H. Paal to be director of the American Institute in Taiwan. (That's what the ambassador to Taiwan is called.)

The selection has been considered a done deal for some time, but has not been announced. Now a lengthy New Republic piece notes, among other things, that Paal just over a year ago had sharply criticized Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian in a newspaper column and then dismissed President Bush's hard-line China stance during the campaign as "bumper stickers" and "campaigning slogans." The job does not require Senate confirmation.

[dArKeR]

28. Which Taiwanese citizens were allowed to immigrate to the USA with their

money? I think there is a story here and at least should be investigated by a Moral Media Whore.

Can the records be searched to see what 'Taiwanese' were allowed to immigrate to the USA? Are they Taiwanese of origin or were they the Fascist Chinese (KMT) which invaded Formosa, renamed it to Taiwan, and claimed themselves to be Taiwan Republic of China citizens. This is really a big story! Is the USA practising selective immigration bias based on a Taiwan citizen being true Taiwanese or Fascist Chinese KMT? Are the ones given immigration status to USA really the corrupt leaders of a failed brutal muderous fascist Chinese Regime? It seem so to me because that's what I see being aired on 'Taiwan' sponsored TV in California. (Sponsored by Taiwan citizens. They're really just like the Nazis who ran and hid in Argentina except the USA Government is harboring them. Most of the money they accumulated is from the drug trade from the Golden Triangle which was paid for with the blood of our children taking and getting hooked on hard drugs.

[dArKeR]

29. The people protesting are people who INVADED TAIWAN in 1949 and

they are losing their source of 'Black Gold' which is corruption money stolen by the KMT Government and paid to them. They lost the election and are making up every kind of lie possible to try to maintain their source of corruption money and power which they had since the fascist KMT Chinese Invaded Taiwan in 1949.

Why aren't any Media Sources telling the truth?

[ConcernedCanuk]

32. "Why aren't any Media Sources telling the truth? - good question

.
.
.

I think you have made some valid points in your last 3 posts.

You are absolutely right. Is certainly would not be out of character for the American Media to blow something, well ANYTHING, out of proportion to grab a headline, or just to further their own personal or political agendas.

Personally, I guess I should do a wee bit more research before I decide whether this news is really a "concern" or not.

Thanks for your input!

:thumbsup: . :thumbsup: . :thumbsup: . :thumbsup: . :thumbsup: . :thumbsup:

[Merlin]

52. dArker, what "media sources" aren't telling the truth?

As far as I can see, the NYT and the WSJ at least have been reasonably objective (the WSJ especially).

I recognize you have a beef with Chinoy. I never see anything by him, so I can't see that he's having much effect.

What TV reports I see are reasonably balanced.

I do think the "chaos" has been way overstated. It's involved only a few thousand in a country of 23 million. Depending on today's demonstration size, that will be put in perspective in some articles I know to be coming down the pike in the US and world media.

Btw, Chen called a press conference for 8:30 pm Tapei time Saturday night (7:30 AM Eastern, Saturday). Haven't heard the outcome.

[dArKeR]

57. Hi Merlin: If you're for real you can go back and search my links. The

truth is all there. Don't know if you're one of the posters claiming to be Mainland Chinese in China? Well let me tell the DUers some other fact; The www.democraticunderground.com
is banned in Communist China, (URL - IP). No citizen from China can connect to the DU. Unless they are Red Army Security Services in Military/Covert/Propaganda Units. I and many friends have tried to connect when we were in China. But this is not unusual. ALL free thought, telling the truth... IPs are blocked. Many friends also have Tripod/Geocites sites that have nothing to do with anything, (planting flowers), and they are also banned so we assume the entire 'tripod' 'geocites' is blocked. (Communists have no official responsed.) But 6 years back we could view these sites.

Next, the Taiwan issue really hits the truth of the world for me. I know exactly what's going on in Taiwan and thus I know the TRUTH and I can compare to what Press is saying is more than sensationalism. Some people like you, who might be well meaning, are writing a false account on Formosa.

Foreigners in Taiwan and Taiwanese and Intellectual descendants from the invading KMT Mainland Chinese are all my friends for the past 15 years... report back the for sure what they see since the election, the foreign press is feeding this too. The foreign press is not giving the world the facts about Formosa's history or what's really going on now.

There's no way to tip-toe around what's happened in Formosa. If you say you're a researcher research the facts. Truth has no fear. I have no fear to say the truth. I wish someone moral like Eric Alterman could research this issue and report on it and interview/debate anyone in the world. (Cause I'm just a swamp rat and unable to articulate the truth on National TV.

[Merlin]

83. C'mon dArker, you know who the hell I am.

Damit, I've sent you emails containing WSJ columns you can't read because they're by subscriptions.

I've explained to you before that I have a very close friend who is a correspondent in Asia, and extremely familiar with the Taiwan situation, and has in fact interviewed Chen twice privately, and attended Chen's press conf. this AM (Sat night Taiwan time).

Further you know I consider the KMT to be the equivalent of the US GOP and even far worse because of the even more extreme concentration of wealth, power and media control the KMT enjoys.

I'm asking a straight question, and I'd like a straight answer, not a referral to your prior posts which you know godam well I've read in detail, since I'm often the only one who responds to them.

I'd like to know which specific US media--aside from CNN--you accuse of being biased, and do you have any specific examples. I'd like to know this so I can fucking help by pointing this out to certain journalist who know certain other journalists who are actually there on site covering things.

[Chicago Democrat]

88. CNN just repeated the "assasination was staged" charge.

Did that really happen? Is that an example of biased reporting, repeating an unsubstantiated charge?

[dArKeR]

31. Demonstrations are just a diversion for Lien: analysts - Lien to be fired

FANNING THE FLAMES: According to political observers, the KMT chairman is trying to deflect attention from challenges to his role as party leader
By Huang Tai-lin
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Mar 26, 2004,Page 3

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) is using the protests by pan-blue supporters to buy time to deal with the internal challenges to his role as party leader, according to political observers.

"In almost any democratic country, the leader of a party that has suffered a defeat in major elections would consider giving up his job as a gesture of taking responsibility for the losses," said Chiu Hei-yuan (???), a political observer and sociology professor at National Taiwan University.

"Not to mention one who had failed his party twice in bidding for the nation's highest job," Chiu said.

President Chen Shui-bian (???) of the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) won the 2000 presidential election with 39 percent of the vote. People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong (???), a breakaway KMT heavyweight who ran an independent in 2000, obtained 36 percent, while Lien, the KMT's candidate, was a distant third with 23 percent.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/26/2003107783

[54anickel]

36. Thanks for all the clarification Darker. I posted this along with a

similar headlined article regarding Hong Kong.

I thought it odd that both articles about China's warnings came out at about the same time.

Here was the other post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=446003&mesg_id=446003

[whirlygigspin]

38. SNAFU

diversion indeed.

Maybe Lien and his "upper crust beauties" can go take a rest in green island for a few years.

lol

[dArKeR]

48. Better yet, make them swim to Green Island!

[goforit]

40. How convenient!!!

Thanks for showing them how to do it Bush!!!

[dArKeR]

42. Justice minister criticizes Lien and Soong's actions

UNCONSTITUTIONAL: Chen Ding-nan said the pan-blue candidates have tried to interfere with the judicial system and constantly tried to humiliate the judiciary
By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Saturday, Mar 27, 2004,Page 2

Chen Ding-nan, minister of justice

CECMinister of Justice Chen Ding-nan (???) yesterday complained that the pan-blue camp was trying to take advantage of the legislature to interfere with justice.

The minister was obviously upset about the pan-blue camp's constant criticisms over the past week as he attended a breakfast meeting with Taiwan Solidarity Union (TSU) lawmakers at the Legislative Yuan.

"First of all, I would say that Chinese Nationalist Party Chairman Lien Chan (??) is not qualified to be a presidential candidate because of his attempts to manipulate the Constitution," he said.

The minister said that to recount the ballots, everything had to be processed according to law.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/27/2003107924

Anyone who has visited Taiwan before Abina became Taipei City Mayor and for many years still afterward outside Taipei ALL KNOW there was NO LAW in Taiwan no matter what was on the books. The dirty filthy KMT Pigs were/are a racist butchering fascist regime and did anything they wanted. (And why doesn't one CNN Whore named Mike Chinoy publish the truth to the world?) Everyone who has been to Taiwan knows this.

[dArKeR]

43. Jason Hu let `terror' poster stay in circulation

NO RECALL: The Taichung mayor and KMT powerbroker had expressed shock at the pan-blue camp's poster but did not recall it or warn aides against using such material
By Martin Williams and Joy Su
STAFF REPORTERS
Saturday, Mar 27, 2004,Page 2

Taichung City Mayor and former foreign minister Jason Hu (???) was aware that pan-blue campaign literature featuring an image from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack on New York City had been distributed, but took no action to recall the posters, according to his aides.

"Hu was shocked by the campaign literature and said that it was not a good way of doing things," said Huang Wen-ming (???), secretary to the Taichung mayor.

However, KMT officials also said that Hu, the director general of the pan-blue campaign headquarters in Taichung, did not take any action to stop the circulation of the poster or prevent future campaign literature from using similar material.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/27/2003107926

1. It's one thing making toons informally between internet friends. It's a whole diff. thing when an official designs, authorizes, pays for and circulates this!

2. The only reason this dirty KMT bastard became mayor is because the DPP pulled all support from the incombent DPP mayor because she was a little corrupt. She could have won, 2002, and the DPP officially held the city along with many important legal helpful authorities which would be very useful to the DPP Party. But Abian pulled support from her because she was corrupt. The DPP ran a really nice honest young guy but the DPP imcumbent also ran which split the vote and the KMT Pigs won because of that. Talk about honor Abian has! He knew they'd lose a very very very important city. All he had to do was be like Bush and the Repukes and sleep with Satan. Actually just sleep with a mayor on the take, that's all. But Abian didn't even have to think about it. We'd be so lucky if we had that kind of leadership in the WH now! (There are only 3 main cities in Taiwan, Gow Shung, Tai Jung, and Tai Bei (Taipei).

[dArKeR]

44. DPP supporters chowing down at pan-blue rallies - Great story!!!!!!! LOL!!

STAFF WRITER
Saturday, Mar 27, 2004,Page 2

With the pan-blue camp's post-election protests going into their sixth day, some Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) supporters have begun urging people to attend the rallies -- and eat the free food being served there to protesters.

In a widely circulated e-mail, DPP supporters asked recipients to fight "black gold" by eating as much of the pan-blue camp's free food as possible.

Pan-blue protesters at the rallies are provided meals and snacks throughout the day -- although former DPP chairman Hsu Hsin-liang (???) has been fasting to show his support for the Chinese Nationalist Party's (KMT) election-related demands.

The e-mails includes descriptions of the food available at the rallies.

"In addition to three square meals a day, you can expect snacks, including instant noodles and steamed buns. The box lunches that are being distributed contain mostly either chicken or pork," one e-mail reported.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/27/2003107925

[dArKeR]

46. Ma: Jump ship while the lifeboat is in reach

By Andy Morton

Saturday, Mar 27, 2004,Page 8

We can be grateful that not everybody has a boss like Taipei Mayor Ma Ying-jeou's (???). Ever since Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) declared the presidential election unjust and unfair last Saturday night, Ma has worn the haunted look of a condemned prisoner.

As well he might. The mass protest outside the Presidential Office triggered by Lien's speech has put the KMT stalwart between a rock and a hard place: On one side, as governor of the capital, it's Ma's job to secure public safety; on the other hand, standing in the way of the KMT's party apparatus could lead to a confrontation the mayor is not ready for.

Exactly what kind of trouble he is in became clear when Taipei Deputy Mayor Ou Chin-der (???) addressed the protesters early Sunday morning to ask them to go home. The water bottle that bounced off Ou's bodyguard must have brought back painful memories for Ma, who was treated to an egg in the chest when he made a similar request to KMT supporters incensed by the party's showing in the 2000 presidential election.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/27/2003107967

[dArKeR]

59. Media watchdogs blast bad TV election coverage

UNRELIABLE: Three media-monitoring groups have criticized TV news channels for massaging their own running tallies of votes and sensationalistic reporting
By Cody Yiu
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Mar 26, 2004,Page 2

The nation's media manipulated coverage of the counting for last Saturday's presidential election and has provided only one-sided, sensationalistic coverage of the ensuing dispute, three media-monitoring groups said yesterday.

"We are not pleased with the fact that on the day of election, many of the electronic news agencies and television stations exaggerated the tallies of ballots," said Kuan Chung-hsiang (???), an assistant professor at Shin Hsin University, who is also a member of the Media Reform Society.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/26/2003107774

The entire media is ownder and controlled by KMT Fascists except for FTV. Everyone knows this.

[PATRICK]

60. Just Plan B

and if the assassination attempt didn't send that message this will fare no better.

No mention yet in the media of how this election season has seen so much disruption, coups, impeachments and botched coups world wide. It apparently is too big a picture for our news pros to grasp. I can imagine them staring at Janet Jackson while a Texas sized asteroid blazes through the skies toward us.

[dArKeR]

61. http://forumosa.com is a Taiwan Forum with so many more educated

people than I. The Truth Fears Nothing!

http://forumosa.com/ it's in English.

I honestly don't participate in this forum except for a few seconds. I'm too busy saving my own country from the Lying Media and Fascist Repukes. Everything which I post on the DU about Taiwan is my personal experience, 15 years, and news I see when I'm doing my primary job of saving the United States of America.

[bpilgrim]

77. thank you dArKeR

great job, on both counts :toast:

thanks for the excellent links and bkg. :hi:

peace

[dArKeR]

62. Semi-honest/fact of Formosa's History - Christian Science Monitor

With a bunch left out!
http://www.csmonitor.com/earlyed/earlyWO0321a.html

Pre-1500s - Inhabited for thousands of years, Taiwan's first known settlers most likely migrated from different areas of Southeast Asia.

1517 - Portuguese sailors passed an island off the eastern coast of China not marked on their maps. They call it "Ilha Formosa" or "Beautiful Island."


1624 - Dutch traders claim the island as a base for commerce in the region and begin to colonize the southwestern part of the island.


1626 - Spanish land on the north side of Taiwan, build forts, and start settlements.


1642 - The Dutch drive out the Spanish.


1661 - Koxinga, the last general of China's Ming dynasty, invades Taiwan.


1662 - After a bloody, nine-month siege, the Dutch governor surrenders Taiwan to Koxinga.


1683 - Manchus from China take the Kingdom of Taywan, and annex western Taiwan to Chinese empire.


1884 - French forces invade northern Taiwan, occupying the seaport of Keelung, only to withdraw a year later.


1895 - Sino-Japanese War ends. China cedes Taiwan to Japan in Shimonoseki Treaty. Japan quickly develops Taiwan's economy.


1930 - A major, two-month uprising in central Taiwan leaves thousands dead.


1945 - World War II ends. Japan surrenders. US and Britain agree to hand over Taiwan to Chiang Kai-shek's Republic of China government, which controls most of China. Chiang imposes martial law in Taiwan. Beijing vows to retake control of the island.


1949 - After being defeated by communists in China, Chiang and more than one million followers, the Kuomintang (KMT), flee to Taiwan. This group of mainland Chinese dominates Taiwan's politics for decades, even though it accounts for less than 15% of the population.

(Forgot to mention the Gwo Ming Dong (KMT) murdering and butching Taiwanese since the day they Invaded.

[ASaneGuy]

117. Taiwan history from Britannica Concise Encyclopedia

"Island, off southeastern China."

"Both the Republic of China (Taiwan) and the People's Republic of China (mainland China) claim jurisdiction over it."

......

"Han Chinese constitute virtually the entire population."

......

"Known to the Chinese as early as the 7th century, it was widely settled by them early in the 17th century. In 1646 the Dutch seized control of the island, only to be ousted in 1661 by a large influx of Chinese refugees, supporters of the Ming dynasty."

......

Source: Britannica Concise Encyclopedia

http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?eu=405462&query=taiwan&ct=gen1

[dArKeR]

67. the occupation of Taiwan by Chiang Kai-shek's armies fleeing from China

http://www.taiwandc.org/un-2001.htm

The establishment of the United Nations in 1945 began a new era in international relations, and prompted a long series of declarations of independence in Asia and Africa. Because of a fluke accident of history -- the occupation of Taiwan by Chiang Kai-shek's armies fleeing from China -- the Taiwanese people were not able to join the international family of nations as an independent nation right away.

[dArKeR]

68. US Congressional Record - retreated to Taiwan in 1949, the KMT...

Mr. PELL. Mr. President, on Tuesday Dr. Trong Chai came to Washington as part of a large Taiwanese delegation to the United States seeking support for Taiwanese membership in the United Nations.

I have known Dr. Chai for a great number of years. He was the founder and first president of the Formosan Association for Public Affairs , an organization that has long struggled to draw attention to political and economic developments on Taiwan. Dr. Chai's career is testimony to the impressive changes that has occurred in Taiwan.

Four years ago I pressed the Taiwanese Government to permit Dr. Chai, then a professor of political science at the City University of New York, to return to Taiwan. Permission was granted and, after 30 years of exile in the United States, Dr. Chai made the journey back to his homeland. There he formed an organization to press for the international recognition of Taiwan.

Two years later Dr. Chai was elected to the Legislative Yuan, Taiwan's parliament, and this month he became the co-chair of the Committee on Foreign Relations.

In the last few weeks I have had the opportunity to meet with leaders of both the opposition and ruling party in Taiwan. I have been impressed with the unanimity of agreement that exists concerning the issue of Taiwanese membership in the United Nations. The economic success of Taiwan and its emerging democracy have contributed to a rising nationalism in Taiwan. In my view, the nature of Taiwan's success will ultimately bring it the international recognition that it deserves. I am pleased that the Taiwanese leadership is united in its efforts to achieve this goal.

At a luncheon sponsored by the Formosan Association for Public Affairs earlier this week, Dr. Chai presented his views concerning why the United States should support Taiwan's readmission to the United Nations.

I ask unanimous consent that Dr. Chai's speech be included in the Record.

There being no objection, the speech was ordered to be printed in the Record, as follows:


The United States Should Support Taiwan in Joining the United Nations


(BY TRONG R. CHAI)

Today is a day for family reunions in Taiwan. It is the day of Taiwan's Moon Festival, a day when the family in Taiwan lift their heads together and enjoy the full moon. We are here to lower our heads for a moment and think about why there is no international family reunion with Taiwan.

On October 25, 1971, The United Nations, by a vote of 76 to 35, passed GA/RES 2758, recognizing the government of China to be represented in the U.N. With this resolution, the other entity for China represented by Chiang Kai-Shek was deemed illegal and expelled from the U.N. Since then, the people of Taiwan have been shut off from this international organization.

Taiwan is qualified to be a U.N. member. It has scored great economic achievements: a GNP of $220 billion which ranks 20th in the world, a Per Capita Income of $10,500 that ranks 25th, and a foreign trade volume which ranks 13th with a foreign reserve that stands at world's pinnacle. Judging from these records, Taiwan should be admitted to the U.N.

Among the world's 191 nations, only Switzerland, Holy See, Tonga, Nauru, Tuvalu, Kiribati and Taiwan are not U.N. members. Taiwan is the only nation truly left out of the U.N. Switzerland, the perennial neutral nation, never has the intention of becoming a U.N. member. The other five nations, with an aggregate population of no more than 190,000, occupy small, limited areas of land, and are not willing to join the U.N. Taiwan has been willing and able to become a member of the world organization. However, due to political reasons, it has been denied U.N. membership. The denial of representation for 21 million Taiwanese people, who rank 43rd most populous in the world, violates not only moral principles but also human rights.

It has been 23 years since Chiang Kai-Shek's Kuomintang (KMT) was expelled from the U.N. Although the people of Taiwan have incessantly expressed their desire to join that world body during these years, their efforts have thus far been in vain. There are two reasons for the failure:

First, as one of the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, the People's Republic of China, ignoring the internationally known fact that Taiwan has been independent for forty-five years, still insists that `Taiwan is a part of China' and use this as a reason for denying Taiwan's U.N. membership.

Second, since it retreated to Taiwan in 1949, the KMT government has adhered to the so-called one-China policy, which creates not only great confusion among the international community but also causes Taiwan to linger outside the U.N. door.

Recently, the KMT government wishes to imitate the precedents set by the two Koreas and the two Germanys and hope that parallel representation would be applicable to Taiwan. Thus, the KMT formulates the formula of `One nation, two seats,' by which Taiwan
would be able to join the U.N. along with the People's Republic of China. This approach, however, is unrealistic, doomed to fail.

The reason that all the Koreans and Germans were admitted to the U.N. is that prior to applying for the U.N. membership, both two Koreas and two Germanys had been simultaneously recognized by the international community. In fact, the ground for their admission is based on `two nations, two seats,' not `one nation, two seats.' Since no nation has simultaneously maintained formal diplomatic relations with both the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China on Taiwan, there is no chance that Taiwan would be admitted to the U.N. with the idea of `one nation, two seats' and in the name of the `Republic of China.'

To strengthen the humanistic and moral pleas embedded in their endeavor to join the U.N., a plebiscite must first be held. The plebiscite, to determine whether or not the name of `Taiwan' would be used, would not only help Taiwan reach a consensus on the name among its people but also show the world the will and the determination of the people of Taiwan in joining the U.N. When the people of Taiwan, by a huge margin, decide to use the name of `Taiwan,' the world community should give moral support to the people of Taiwan in their application for a new membership.

As a champion of human rights and the leader of the democratic world, the United States has taken political and economic sanctions against those nations that seriously violate human rights. This year, the United States has urged China to improve the human rights situation when granting China the Most Favored Nations status. And now that 21 million Taiwanese people are being denied U.N. membership, the United States should support Taiwan in joining the U.N. on the ground of universality of membership and for the respect of the human dignity of and human rights of the people in Taiwan.



http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/1994/s940930-taiwan.htm

[dArKeR]

69. Taiwanese Isolation Seems like "Apartheid," Says Church Official

TAIPEI--A leading Taiwanese church official has called on churches
world-wide to help end Taiwan's "invisibility" and "isolation."

Even though Taiwan in practice functions as an independent country, the
People's Republic of China, only 130 kilometers away, regards Taiwan as a
renegade province, and looks forward to the day when it can gain
sovereignty over the island.

Referring to the refusal of the world's major powers to support efforts
aiming at the recognition of Taiwan as an independent nation with a seat at
the United Nations, William J. K. Lo, general secretary of the Presbyterian
Church in Taiwan (PCT), said July 1: "We are
isolated from the international community. Only 27 countries have
diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Twenty-two million people Taiwan] are isolated from the international community. It seems to be a
new form of apartheid."

William Lo, who became general secretary of Taiwan's biggest Protestant
church last year, was speaking to the 35 members of the executive committee
of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches (WARC) on the first day of their
11-day annual meeting, one of the most important international church
gatherings ever to be held in Taipei, the Taiwanese capital. The PCT is
one of the 214 churches world-wide which belong to WARC.

http://www.wfn.org/1999/08/msg00307.html

[dArKeR]

70. A STATEMENT ON CHIANG KAI-SHEK'S STATEMENT by MAO TSE-TUNG

December 28, 1936



In Sian Chiang Kai-shek accepted the demand for resistance to Japan put forward by Generals Chang Hsueh-liang and Yang Hu-cheng and the people of the Northwest and, as an initial step, he has ordered his civil war troops to withdraw from the provinces of Shensi and Kansu. This marks the beginning of Chiang's reversal of his wrong policy in the past decade. <1> It is a blow to the intrigues conducted by the Japanese imperialists and the Chinese "punitive" group <2> to stage-manage a civil war, foment splits and get Chiang killed in the Sian Incident. Their disappointment is already apparent. The indication that Chiang Kai-shek is beginning to wake up may be considered a sign of the Kuomintang's willingness to end the wrong policy it has pursued for ten years.

On December 26 Chiang Kai-shek issued a statement in Loyang, the so-called "Admonition to Chang Hsueh-liang and Yang Hucheng", which is so ambiguous and evasive as to be an interesting specimen among China's political documents. If Chiang really wants to draw a serious lesson from the incident and try to revitalize the Kuomintang, and if he wants to end his consistently wrong policy of compromise in foreign affairs and of civil war and oppression at home, so that the Kuomintang will no longer stand opposed to the wishes of the people, then as a token of good faith he should have produced a better piece of writing, repenting his political past and setting a new course for the future. The statement of December 26 cannot meet the demands of the Chinese masses.

However, it does contain one praiseworthy passage, in which Chiang asserts that "promises must be kept and action must be resolute". This means that, although he did not sign the terms set forth by Chang and Yang in Sian, he is willing to accept such demands as are beneficial to the state and the nation and will not break his word on the grounds that he did not sign. We shall see whether, after he has withdrawn his troops, Chiang will act in good faith and carry out the terms he has accepted. The terms are:



to reorganize the Kuomintang and the National Government, expel the pro-Japanese group and admit anti-Japanese elements;


to release the patriotic leaders in Shanghai <3> and all other political prisoners, and guarantee the freedoms and rights of the people;


to end the policy of "suppressing the Communists" and enter into an alliance with the Red Army to resist Japan;


to convene a national salvation conference, representing all parties, groups, sections of the population and armies, to decide on the policy of resisting Japan and saving the nation;


to enter into co-operation with countries sympathetic to China's resistance to Japan; and


to adopt other specific ways and means to save the nation.


The fulfilment of these terms requires above all good faith, and also some courage. We shall judge Chiang by his future actions.

http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Other/Mao/361228.htm

There is no mention of Taiwan because Taiwan has nothing to do with these two dirty bastards. The Communists hate and want to kill the KMT and the KMT happen to invade Taiwan. Extradite the KMT back to China for trial and hanging and President Chen give back the gold and art which the KMT stole from China. Fair and Balanced settlement.

[dArKeR]

71. Chiang was driven off the mainland to the island of Taiwan (1949)

Chiang Kai-shek was one of the most important political leaders in 20th century Chinese history, sandwiched between Sun Yat-sen and Mao Zedong. Early in the 20th century Chiang Kai-shek fought for Sun Yat-sen's United Revolutionary League and the Kuomintang party to overthrow China's imperial dynasty. The Republic of China was established in 1912, but by the end of the 1920s the Kuomintang split with the Communists (led by Mao Zedong) . After the death of Sun Yat-sen, Chiang became the leader of the Kuomintang army and seized control of the government. Still engaged in a civil war with the Communists, Generalissimo Chiang also led the army against Japanese invaders in Manchuria (1937). During World War II Chiang had the support of the Allied powers and was the supreme commander of the China theater for the length of the war, the acknowledged leader of a war-torn and impoverished China. After World War II ended, the Kuomintang and the Communists re-ignited the civil war, and Chiang was eventually driven off the mainland to the island of Taiwan (1949), where the Kuomintang set up a government-in-exile. Until his death in 1975, Chiang ruled Taiwan under martial law and modernized the economy, receiving support from the West for his anti-communism. His international position waned after the 1971 United Nations decision to recognize the Communists as the official government of China.

http://www.who2.com/chiangkaishek.html

And so what does Taiwan have to do with China? Mr. Mike 'Whore' Chinoy?

[Layman]

92. Chiang Kai-shek: Pschyotic Despot

I have to take issue with this posting. From what I've read the only thing Chiang Kai-shek was out for was his own self-aggrandizement. Money, sex and power to put it simply. Among other great achievements he betrayed Sun Yat-sen, his friend and sponsor, he betrayed China to the Japanese, starved his own army, married Soong An-ling only for status while already married to another woman. Someone reading the aforementioned posting would get the impression Chiang was a real leader. He was anything but.

[dArKeR]

72. Central Files of the U.S. State Department

Recognizing "two Chinas"


Part 1 reveals a United States under mounting international pressure to shift its position, recognize the "two Chinas," and permit PRC entry into the United Nations … and an administration that was horribly divided.


By 1966, the Johnson administration had withstood years of international pressure to recognize the PRC, a move that Chiang Kai-shek and the Nationalists vehemently opposed and one that President Johnson was still not prepared to make. Fortunately in that same year, Mao Tse-tung’s Cultural Revolution changed international regard for the PRC. With in-depth American diplomatic reporting on the rise of the Cultural Revolution, scholars can track diminishing international support for UN recognition of Communist China … and puzzle over the meaning of this startling movement.


Other aspects of U.S. policy on China did change during the Johnson administration. Documentation in Part 1 uncovers the pressures that ultimately shaped a milder U.S.- China policy.


Containing Chinese communism


The material in this collection sheds light on how U.S. involvement in the Vietnam conflict heightened U.S. policymakers’ concern over Communist China. Part 1 details turmoil in the PRC and reveals how the U.S. State Department came to term Communist China’s foreign policy as "aggressive." A 1966 State-Defense study defined Chinese objectives as "regional hegemony and world revolution" and listed U.S. options for meeting these objectives as "disengagement, containment, and showdown"; the middle option was recommended.


In 1966, the Johnson administration began speaking of a U.S.- China policy of containment without isolation. Part 1 features commentary on congressional hearings that urged a more flexible U.S.- China policy and included the testimony of prominent academic specialists on China. In a major speech on U.S. policy in Asia in July 1966, President Johnson declared that "reconciliation between nations that now call themselves enemies" was an essential component of peace and that "the greatest force for opening closed minds and closed societies is the free flow of ideas and people and goods." The change in policy was rhetorical rather than substantive, but it was enough to raise the anxiety level in Taipei.

http://www.lexisnexis.com/academic/2upa/Ias/sdCentralChina.asp

[dArKeR]

74. Key events in Taiwanese history from World War II to the present

Feb. 28

Monopoly bureau officials in Taiwan beat up a woman they suspect of selling cigarettes on the black market and shoot a passerby who tries to intervene. The incident, which is known as the "2–28 Incident," ignites an island–wide revolt and thousands of angry citizens pours out into the streets. The protesters are met by KMT troops on March 8. Upwards of 20,000 people are brutally slaughtered in the confrontation.

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July

The U.S. formally announces its "two China" policy, supporting admission of the People's Republic of China into the U.N. while preserving Taiwan's membership in the General Assembly. This highlights America's shift towards improved relations with Communist China throughout the l960's early 1970's.

Sept. 15

U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger secretly visits China.

Oct. 25

Taiwan is "expelled" from the United Nations. The seat is given to the People's Republic of China.

(What isn't told here is Taiwan was allowed to join the UN and become an independent country and China would not oppose but Chiang Kai Shek in his infinite wisdom refused and walked out and declared he was the ruler of China. (And what do the people of Taiwan have to do with Chiang Kai Shek, Mr. Mike 'Whore' Chinoy? Does it have anything to do with your bank account?))

http://www.factmonster.com/spot/taiwantime1.html

[0rion]

79. INVADE/LIBERATE CHINA!

nt

[dArKeR]

80. That would be more just than letting anything bad happen to Taiwan!

Talk about an impending threat to United States National Security! It's China, believe me!

[0rion]

85. LOL, true my friend...true.

just a bit of humor to start my day off. :D

[dArKeR]

81. Recount: There is no current law in Taiwan (KMT was in control they made

all the laws that exist in Taiwan.) To show you how corrupt the KMT is they are the ones who purposely would NOT allow recounts so they could always win. Then comes along the unthinkable, they lose, and now they want to make a law 'RETROACTIVE' to have legal control of what happened in the past! Oh, my gosh! Where is Mike 'Whore' Chinoy reporting this to the world?

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The pan-blue camp's new version states that if the gap between the two leading candidates in the election is less than 1 percent of the total number of valid ballots, the losing candidates can apply to the High Court for a recount within seven days after the election. The recount has to be conducted by the High Court. The pan-blue draft makes provision for the laying of election fraud charges if one candidate took steps to damage an opponent's campaign.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/03/27/2003107915
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Any moral person would say this law would legally and Democratically, if passed, become effective the next election. Yet Democratic President Chen who has completely legally won the election has said, 'OK, let's count the votes again.' What an incredible moral person!

[dArKeR]

84. “In 1949, Taiwan did not “split off from China”, but was occupied - MSNBC

By Kari Huus (Kari is good moral person and a moral/honest Reporter.)
MSNBC

Beijing says China’s rule over Taiwan dates as far back as the Yuan Dynasty, in the 12th century. But independence advocates now openly argue that China never did rule Taiwan and that Taiwan’s people are not as “Chinese” as mainland propagandists would like to pretend.

“In 1949, Taiwan did not “split off from China”, but was occupied by the losing side in the Chinese Civil War,” according to a 1999 white paper endorsed by 18 overseas Taiwanese associations.

Centuries ago, the island had an aboriginal culture of Malay and Polynesian descent. In the 17th century, the Dutch and Portuguese had colonies here, and the imported Chinese laborers — all men — intermarried with locals, forming the basis of the majority of today’s population. According this version of history, it was only in 1887 that China declared Taiwan a part of its territory in an effort to stem Japanese expansionism, say independence activists. But when that failed, China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity.

The Japanese held Taiwan for 50 years, until their defeat in World War II. In the years immediately after, Allied Forces backed Chiang Kai-shek’s temporary occupation of Taiwan. But according to pro-independence legal experts, the Nationalists never had a legal basis to stay.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3072143/

Dear Mikie 'Whore' Chinoy, your Communist Comrades await you! Renounce your US Citizenship. The Bowels of Satan await you in your Motherland, Communist China.

[mallard]

86. Re: local take

Only a few radical elements in the 49.7% "Pan Blue" (Lien-Soong) camp - who genuinely want reunification - would seek to gain a foothold from this stand-off with some sort of an appeal directly to Beijing.

The traditional KMT stance is far colder toward the mainland than toward their Taiwanese rivals. Still, you've got to wonder if they're talking to them under the table right now - perhaps about an intervention deal to satisfy the taste for power of this twice-displaced, waning 'ruling' block.

The KMT still holds sway in the (huge and mostly lame) legislature.

Scuttlebut from the losing side goes long on the pre-election attack incident being staged by Ah-Bien's own supporters:

The president was rushed not to the nearest or second nearest hospital in Tainan, but to one way across town.

There are no photos of the shooter's face. An entire brigade of security people were totally out of the loop and it would have required very little more effort for the assailant to kill Chen if that were what he'd intended. He has already been identified as a person who will never get caught. There are no leads.

The Greens are saying it may have been the work of a bookie set to lose bigtime if Lien would have been the winner

Cheating is so endemic to the local culture, even a candid camera show is totally staged - so the doo doo still remains airborn - and the old guard are getting a touch paranoid with the violence (they always WERE the thugs).

Rumors that army conscripts (who certainly would have helped Lien) were held back from voting have yet to be confirmed. It's unclear who would have been able to arrange that, so that's just a rumor.

How the Greens got apparent party domination at the Election Commission is also weird. The right thing to do would have involved accomadating a delayed results announcement, but it's too late for that now.

There definitely alot of pissed off people around AND yonder.

Proof again that the two party 'model' lacks perfection. They're so geared to their own policy duals that they manage to drop the ball on the real job. Obviously, members of both sides need to work, co-exist and actually provide public service in afunctional manner.

This conflict is certainly effecting the national government offices around Taiwan now, but hasn't reached the schools post offices - or the (real) street (yet).

Calm and wet in Nantou - Mallard

[Chicago Democrat]

89. Hey Darker

You seem to know alot about this. I have a couple of questions about Taiwan;

Okay so how many "Chinese" are there in Taiwan vs "non- Chinese" percentage wise?

Is there any truth to the charge of faking the assasination?

Is Taiwan a nice place to live?

Thanks,

Uninformed and curious

[mallard]

91. Re: demographic profile

The indigenous population of Taiwan is generally considered in the same regional grouping with Malays (akin to Philippine/Indo) and gets divided into about 11 sub-groups, each with a unique language background. In the south, the Paiwan and Rukai are especially close to the tribes of Northern Luzon. Some words of the (largest and most widely dispersed) Tayal language are consistent with the original Malay trade lingo - including the numbers.

The natives of Taiwan now account for about one percent of the total population and are the only (significant) groups of non-Chinese to hold citizenship. They are legally identified as "Yen Dzu Ming" (sons of the land or 'bumiputra').

Along the west coast where there are no 'natives' to speak of
(Lukang/Peikang/Tainan) variations among the oldest local (immigrant) families show clear inter-mixing with western (Portugese) settlers, but these people are counted now as 100% Chinese.

Taiwan is already a part of the Chinese nation and it's the Taiwanese themselves who never get credit for having achieved this gradually over the past 350 years. There are no reservations for them about being called "Chinese".

Thanks for asking.

[dArKeR]

95. Police warned about mobsters, spies at rally

By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Sunday, Mar 28, 2004,Page 3

Police yesterday said that they had plans in place to deal with any potential mobster or spy activities at the demonstration in front of the Presidential Office.

"We received reliable tips that local gangsters may be involved in the rally, so we have to pay attention to that and take all necessary precautionary measures," said Wang Cho-chiun (???), the commissioner of the Taipei City Police Department.

Yu Yi-hsien (???), deputy director of the Taipei City Police Department's Chungcheng First Precinct, said the tips came from within the pan-blue camp.

The informant told the police that many pan-blue camp officials had recognized gangsters in the crowd during the protest at the Central Election Committee on Friday. The gangsters were allegedly planning to create trouble at yesterday's rally.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/28/2003108058

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96. PFP lawmakers in legal trouble after violent rampage

By Debby Wu
STAFF REPORTER
Sunday, Mar 28, 2004,Page 3

The Executive Yuan yesterday said than a criminal investigation had been launched into a group of pan-blue lawmakers who led supporters on a violent rampage outside the Central Election Commission (CEC) on Friday night.

People First Party (PFP) legislators, including Lee Ching-hua (???), Chou Yi (??) and Shen Chih-hwei (???), led about 200 pan-blue protesters into the Central Election Commission (CEC) yesterday to prevent the CEC from officially announcing the election result.

The protesters shouted, "Truth unclear, suspend declaration; down with the commission," and smashed windows at the entrance before forcing their way inside. They also threw rocks and eggs and scuffled with police.

PFP Legislator Fu Kun-chi (???) threw chairs inside the CEC in a display of anger.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/28/2003108056

[dArKeR]

97. We must rely on legal mechanisms

Sunday, Mar 28, 2004,Page 8

It was good to see most participants involved in the protest in front of the Presidential Office leave for the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall, where, although the protest will continue, at least it will no longer occupy a major intersection and won't create as great a traffic obstruction for Taipei residents.

The Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT)-People First Party (PFP) alliance faced enormous internal and external pressure to peacefully end the rally in front of the Presidential Office. The greatest pressure resulted from the violent confrontation that took place Friday night in front of the Central Election Commission (CEC) between Taipei police and hundreds of pan-blue supporters led by PFP lawmakers. Protesters were trying to keep the CEC from posting an announcement of the presidential election result. In addition to incurring uniform condemnation from both the public and the news media, the violent episode stirred increasing skepticism about the KMT-PFP alliance's ability to keep their supporters under control and prevent further violence.

Then there was the statement issued by Beijing's Taiwan Affairs Office on Friday, declaring that "if the situation gets out of control in Taiwan ... we will not sit idly by." Over the past week, some people have expressed concern that if the demonstrations escalated into civil unrest, China would be presented with a golden opportunity to use force. While the pan-blue camp ignored such warnings, it could not do the same when it came to Beijing's statement. This naturally increased pressure on the pan-blue side.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/28/2003108088

[dArKeR]

98. Lien, Soong are trying to save their own hides

By Chin Heng-wei ???

Sunday, Mar 28, 2004,Page 8

`For a leader to react in this way, attempting to annul the election and hide behind his supporters, seems to be resorting to desperate measures.'

President Chen Shui-bian's (???) successful attempt to hold on to the reins of power in the election is all but fact, and by all appearances the defeat of his opponents, Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong (???), is more or less certain. The most significant outcome of this election, however, is the change that it revealed in the political map, heralding a trend in which the majority support formerly enjoyed by the pan-blue camp seeps over to the pan-green camp. Given this, it is quite understandable how jittery the pan-blue camp has become.

But the question is: Has the pan-blue camp really grasped the crux of the problem? Evidently not. Lien and Soong have responded to their defeat by stirring up protest by their supporters, claiming that the election was unfair and invalid. This appears on the surface to be an attempt to overturn the results of the election, but it would do not to be deceived. The real motive for the protest is to transfer responsibility for the defeat away from Lien and Soong, riding on the wave of an emotional crowd. To put it another way, the pair's stirring up of the masses is designed to ensure their survival as leaders of the pan-blue camp.

It is equally understandable how difficult the defeat was to accept given the miniscule margin of only 0.228 percentage points. But did Lien and Soong really lose by only 29,518 votes? Again, this is far from the case. They went from collectively having 60 percent of the vote in the 2000 elections to a situation where, four years down the road, they are neck and neck with the pan-green camp. Shouldn't Lien and Soong shoulder the blame for this? The two men seem to be blaming the Democratic Progressive Party and Chen for the situation, bearing none of the responsibility for themselves.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/28/2003108090

`For a leader to react in this way, attempting to annul the election and hide behind his supporters, seems to be resorting to desperate measures.'

This sentence reminded me of Bush hiding behind his daughters when the DUI came up! Bush a solitary Christian man uses his twin baby daughters as a political shield/excuse for why he didn't tell the media/American people about his arrest. Are Republican Christian men actually this cowardly? To drag their children into a political blood bath? I thought the Christian Republican male was supposed to protect their families not throw them out into the sewers! I remember Karen Hughes on all Network TV saying, 'I hope this doesn't effect the outcome of the election.' It was that serious. Just think if Junior lost, 'officially'. Could it have created a life long depression/suicidal tendency in the children because 'they were the cause of their father's loss.' Such tremendous moral character Junior has for using his baby girls as an excuse and taking a Russian Roulet chance with them.

Kerry would protect his children, face up to what he did, take the heat, let the chips fall where they may. I think his combat leadership proves that!

[dArKeR]

99. Church slams Lien, Soong

By Caroline Hong
STAFF REPORTER
Monday, Mar 29, 2004,Page 2

The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and Society Committee held a public prayer meeting in Taipei yesterday, praying for peace while strongly condemning the actions and motivations of Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party Chairman James Soong (???) in the aftermath of the March 20 presidential election.

The assembly asked the leaders of the pan-blue camp to calm their supporters down and wait for justice through legal channels.

"Lien has stirred up trouble because of hatred. If he has doubts about the election, he should make complaints through the law, not use crowds to put pressure on our democracy," said Reverend William Lo (???), the assembly's general-secretary.

A written statement by Reverend Lu Chen-fa (??), passed out to the meeting's attendees, expressed the assembly's wish for conflict resolution: "People win and they lose. We each have our time and each must face the time when we bow out ... For the Taiwanese people's reputation and future, for your own legislative elections at the end of the year, or for the 2008 presidential election, cool down and recoup while waiting for the law to reveal the truth."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/29/2003108181

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100. KMT diehards take their fight to the streets of California

AP , LOS ANGELES
Monday, Mar 29, 2004,Page 2

Nearly 2,000 protesters waving red and blue Taiwanese flags and chanting "shame" on Saturday called for an independent probe into Taiwan's disputed national election.

"We want a recount," retired accountant Robert Chi said as he clutched US and Taiwanese flags, apparently unaware that the president had already said there would be a recount. "We want the president to hear us. He lied."

The rally was part of a series of protests in the US that echoed protests in Taiwan. Nearly a half-million people gathered in Taipei on Saturday to protest the results of the March 20 election that opponents say was rigged by President Chen Shui-bian (???).

In Los Angeles, protesters from as far away as Phoenix gathered for about two hours in a parking lot in the city's bustling Chinatown neighborhood. They waved banners that said "Recount the ballots" and "Justice, truth, fairness" as music and speeches blared over loudspeakers.

Police estimated the crowd reached about 1,800 people.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/29/2003108179

1. I thought the police didn't estimate crowd sizes.
2. Let me say again very clearly in case you missed it. Not one of these people protesting in America are ethnic Taiwanese. EVERY person protesting in America is a KMT Fascist who invaded Formosa with the Butchers of Chiang Kia Shek (Jong Ging Kua) in 1949. (Where are the Media Whores who should be telling you this? (Mikie Whore).
3. My previous suspicion:
Which Taiwanese citizens were allowed to immigrate to the USA with their
money? I think there is a story here and at least should be investigated by a Moral Media Whore.

Can the records be searched to see what 'Taiwanese' were allowed to immigrate to the USA? Are they Taiwanese of origin or were they the Fascist Chinese (KMT) which invaded Formosa, renamed it to Taiwan, and claimed themselves to be Taiwan Republic of China citizens. This is really a big story! Is the USA practising selective immigration bias based on a Taiwan citizen being true Taiwanese or Fascist Chinese KMT? Are the ones given immigration status to USA really the corrupt leaders of a failed brutal muderous fascist Chinese Regime? It seem so to me because that's what I see being aired on 'Taiwan' sponsored TV in California.

[dArKeR]

101. President Chen challenges his critics - 'You stop a bullet Lien and Soong'

RETORT: While offering to meet the blue camp's demands, Chen said Lien Chan and James Soong should put themselves in front of a bullet if they think he is lying
By Brian Hsu
STAFF REPORTER
Monday, Mar 29, 2004,Page 3

"I am willing to pay money to hire the best shooter in the world to make a test. If KMT Chairman Lien and PFP Chairman Soong would stand still on a Jeep to receive shots from the shooter and if the two could get the same wounds as I and Vice President Annette Lu did last Friday, I would step down as president."

President Chen Shui-bian

President Chen Shui-bian (???) sought to dispel suspicions the March 19 assassination attempt against him had been staged, saying Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party Chairman James Soong (???) should put themselves in the same situation to see if he was lying.

"I am willing to pay money to hire the best shooter in the world to make a test. If KMT Chairman Lien and PFP Chairman Soong would stand still on a Jeep to receive shots from the shooter and if the two could get the same wounds as I and Vice President Annette Lu (???) did last Friday, I would step down as president," Chen said.

"If they can't do it or if they are afraid of doing it, they had better keep their mouths shut," he said.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/29/2003108183

Even if you don't know Taiwan, just from reading the media reports, can't you all tell how dirty, filthy and evil these KMT bastards are?

[Layman]

105. Bull's-eye!

n/t

[dArKeR]

102. Do we need a recount or a shrink?

Monday, Mar 29, 2004,Page 8

President Chen Shui-bian's (???) speech on Saturday night was one of the best he has ever made, combining exactly the right tone of reason with toughness, gently mocking the more absurd claims of the pan-blue camp and showing an iron determination to stick to the letter of the law and not give in to the mob rule that the pan-blues have tried to whip up in the past week, which culminated in the storming of the Central Election Commission building on Friday night to prevent the election commissioners from fulfilling their legal duty.

It was interesting that the major criticism of Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) spokesman Alex Tsai after the speech was that it was late in coming. Actually, Chen said nothing Saturday night that the presidential office had not already offered before. A recount, international participation in the shooting investigation: these had been on the table as of midweek, but KMT Chairman Lien Chan (??) would not call off the demonstration planned for Saturday because his power in his party depended on the projection of leadership that this would allow.

That Lien and People First Party Chairman James Soong (???) still haven't, at the time this was written, said they would accept the result of a recount is worrying. It shows a level of irresponsible brinkmanship that makes us question their suitability, under any circumstances, to govern.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/29/2003108216

You don't need a shrink. You need what everybody knows but no one says.
1. Liquidate the KMT Media Corporations in TW. This will clean up the corruption and Media Lying.
2. You need to cut off the KMT Terrorist Media Funds which they obviously pay out to Morally Deprived Foreign Media Whores. (One having the initials MC and works for CNN.)
3. Lastly, I'd completely open/drop all your VISA Entry restrictions. Let any and every foreigner into your country and let them stay for at least a year. These foreigners will bring in knowledge. To attempt to balance off the 50 years of KMT Fascist Regime Brainwashing.
4. I'd extradite the KMT leadership back to Communist China and return the gold and art which the KMT stole from China.

[dArKeR]

103. Lien and Soong: on a hunt for the white whale

By Mac William Bishop ???

Monday, Mar 29, 2004,Page 8

The Pequod is going down, and going down fast.

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party Chairman James Soong (???) have embraced their role as Captain Ahab, and are embarked on a desperate and bitter quest to avenge the wound inflicted on them by their nemesis, President Chen Shui-bian (???).

Their "unfair election" misadventure is a desperate ploy to save their careers and their reputations, and they are not afraid to take everyone down with them.

Any pan-blue politician worth his salt will cut himself loose from the wreckage of the Lien-Soong campaign and seek a new vessel to carry his political aspirations.

The younger generation of pan-blue leaders has to make a choice between tying their future to the waning fortunes of the old guard of the pan-blue camp and charting a new course of reconciliation and constructive criticism.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/29/2003108217

[dArKeR]

104. Battling corruption in Taiwan

By Stephanie Wen
STAFF REPORTER
Monday, Mar 29, 2004,Page 9

This year, Taiwan made some progress in addressing the issue of political corruption with the passing of the Political Donation Law on March 19. Transparency International, an international non-governmental organization devoted to combating corruption, was one of the driving forces behind the law's adoption. The Taipei Times talked to the group's political corruption program manager in Taiwan, Diana Rodgriguez, and Liao Ran (??), regional manager of the Asia-Pacific region, about how far Taiwan has come in making politicians accountable.

Taipei Times: One of the major focuses of this year's election has been the issue of political donations. Was this what brought you to Taiwan?

Diana Rodgriguez: We are not here to monitor the election but to look at the particular issue of political finance. Taiwan is not unique in having a problem with political finance by any means; we look at the issue globally. Taiwan is interesting because it has introduced many changes that are aimed at addressing the issue of political corruption recently. It's a very interesting example to study, a very interesting context to be involved in at the moment, partly because so many of the changes are so recent. So many of the issues we look at at the global level are being debated right now. We were present at the debating of the political donations law at the legislative hearing. So we would just like to learn as much as we can about what's going on here.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/29/2003108221

[dArKeR]

106. The Media Whores forgot to tell you; Most of the KMT are American Citizens

Most of the politically connected and wealthy connected KMT Fascist have been given American Citizenship along with all their children. I know this from personal experience and from local FTV/Liberty Times reports in Taiwan. Only when Chen Shui Bian became Taipei City Mayor and got some media attention, he'd say things live which the KMT just couldn't completely control anymore. After Chen making this and issue some KMT stopped sending their children to become American citizens. They did this so that if China invaded they could always run away and leave everyone else to die in TW. Also to let their male children escaped the mandatory military service in TW.

Another tid-bit. When the males went into the military, if they would officially join the KMT Party they would be given Cake/Safe jobs/assignments. If not, they'd be put on the artillery firing exercises. And this is old equipment and would often fail and wound/kill the soldiers. I've had several first-hand participants explain this KMT corruption to me.

[dArKeR]

107. Jackie 'Whore' Chan is a Communist Puppet!

Jackie Chan Rips Taiwan's Election

TAIPEI, Taiwan - Hong Kong film star Jackie Chan (news) said Sunday that Taiwan's recent presidential election was "the biggest joke in the world."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040329/ap_en_mo/people_j...

I'm putting the WORLD on notice. This is how Fascism, Communism, Brutal Regimes, Nazis, Hitlers rise. The use of immoral instruments masquerading as moral/just people. Chan, speaking from Communist China and bashing Democracy! This is as laughable as Trent Lott saying aWol got more votes. Jackie 'Whore' didn't mention that there are no elections in China but it's obviously the most corrupt and murderous regime on the planet. Where government officials falsely convict citizens, execute them and sell their body parts for cash.

Honk Kong has no ability to vote for it's leader either. And the Communists are trying daily to take away ALL rights of Hong Kong citizens.

I was in Hong Kong when the Chinses astronaut went on tour in Hong Kong. Who was their as the Communist mouth piece? Jackie 'Whore'. Not only did I read in the Hong Kong newspapers, I spoke to many Hong Kong citizens questioning why Jackie 'Whore' was playing the puppet for the Communists. So many people felt this way, Jackie 'Whore' went on a TV 'attack dog tour' (like Condi Lice is doing now), to try to salvage his reputation. He just kept saying, 'We are all Chinese that's why I do it.'

Everyone I spoke to, and also saw personally HK TV interviews of people standing in line, (The space capsule was put on display at the Space Center next to Kowloon Star Ferry), the Hong Kong people said, 'I don't care about seeing Yang Liwei I only want to see the space capsule.'

Most all HK people were really pissed at Jackie 'Whore' for his actions. Many said he's a traitor.

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You've got to look at this honestly people! Everyone stop and look what's go-in down! There isn't an official/knowledgable person in the world who'd say Taiwan's election procedures aren't the fairest in the world.

The people protesting are all the Fascists Mainland Chinese who invaded Taiwan in 1949. They are about the most corrupt group on Earth, have been stealing money from Taiwan since 1949 but now no longer have an easy method to steal.

The KMT Party is the richest political party in the world. How did they get this money?

Assassination attempt. Is Jackie 'Whore' willing to take a bullet in the stomach while riding in a Jeep? The investigation is going on but Jackie 'Whore' knows what happened?

You can read just about anywhere the near certainty of ALL Hong Kong media stars being part of the Hong Kong Mafia. Which I would assume has now been taken over by the Communist Chinese Government.

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ps. I'll never watch a Jackie 'Whore' movie again!

[dArKeR]

108. Demand for emergency decree rejected

There was no disagreement about the demand to have an immediate recount. Chiou reiterated Chen's willingness to carry out a judicial recount and that he would accept the result whether or not it is in his favor.

Chiou also repeated that Chen welcomes any expert recommended by the pan-blue alliance as part of the task force investigating the assassination, but said it would be inappropriate to assemble the task force by declaring a state of emergency.

Nonetheless, he said, Chen would agree to an emergency decree if there were a legal reason for doing so.

Chiou suggested that the Legislative Yuan could pass a special law that would enable the creation of a task force to investigate the assassination attempt as well as a commission of inquiry into the national security mechanism.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/03/30/2003108393

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109. Pan-blue camp still `preparing' for its election lawsuits

By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Mar 30, 2004,Page 1

Despite the pan-blue camp's plans to refile its lawsuits contesting the presidential election and demanding a thorough investigation into the election eve shooting of President Chen Shui-bian (???) and Vice President Annette Lu (???) by yesterday morning, no suit had been filed at press time yesterday.

"We are still preparing the necessary documents at this moment," said Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Spokesman Justin Chou (???).

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/03/30/2003108394

[dArKeR]

110. Stocks soar as political storm clouds start to lift

By Lisa Wang
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Mar 30, 2004,Page 1

Investors celebrate skyrocketing stock prices yesterday. The broader TAIEX gained 341.49 points to close at 6474.11. The bourse plunged 10 percent last week after the March 20 presidential election.
PHOTO: CNA

Stocks skyrocketed yesterday, gaining nearly 5.6 percent amid indications of political reconciliation.

Heavyweight shares like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing led yesterday's gains. The broader TAIEX soared 341.49 points to close at 6,474.11 points yesterday, after shedding 10 percent during the first week after the March 20 presidential election.

On the local bourse, risers outnumbered losers 938 to 26, with 17 stocks unchanged. Turnover expanded to NT$112.43 billion from NT$97.85 billion on Friday.

"The steep rebound is largely in reaction to the diminishing political tension after President Chen Shui-bian (???) agreed to meet with opposition leaders over election disputes," said Maddux Lin (???), an assistant manager at Grand Cathay Securities.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/03/30/2003108397

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111. US experts begin work on shooting

ASSASSINATION PROBE: The American trio visited the Criminal Investigation Bureau and the Tainan crime-scene site yesterday
By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Mar 30, 2004,Page 2

Three American criminal experts began work yesterday with police investigating the attempted assassination of (???) and Vice President Annette Lu (???).

Dr. Cyril Wecht, trajectory analyst Michael Haag and crime-scene-identification analyst Timothy Palmbach arrived at the National Police Administration's Criminal Investigation Bureau (CIB) at 9:30am yesterday to examine the evidence from the shooting. They then went to look at the crime scene in Tainan City in the afternoon.

According to the bureau, the trio were in Taiwan for just the day and will take all the evidence they collected back to the US with them to analyze it.

They will then discuss their results with world-renowned forensic expert Dr. Henry Lee (???), who will lead a special task force and conduct the investigation into the shooting.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/30/2003108403

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112. Post-shooting measures defended

CONFUSION: The government's national security agencies said there were no set rules for dealing with crises according to the so-called national security mechanism

Chiou said that the launch of the mechanism did not affect servicemen's ability to go home to vote on March 20.

According to Chiou, the mechanism had been used three times since Chen came to power: following the terrorist attacks on the US in September 2001; after the Bali bombing in 2002; and during the SARS outbreak last year.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/30/2003108411

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113. Pan-blue camp blocks progress in legislature

The KMT and PFP lawmakers boycotted the legislative session in an attempt to press the DPP into agreeing to their demand for a recount of the votes in the March 20 election, in which President Chen Shui-bian (???) beat Lien by a wafer-thin margin.

Legislator Ker Chien-ming (???), DPP convener at the Legislative Yuan, also urged his KMT and PFP colleagues to stop spreading rumors and speculation and allow the turmoil from the presidential election to subside.

He also urged Lien and his running-mate, PFP Chairman James Soong (???), to put a planned meeting with Chen to good use by discussing with him the issues of cooperation between the ruling and opposition parties, finding ways to heal the rifts between different ethnic groups after the election, economic development and constitutional reform rather than simply airing their grievances against Chen.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/30/2003108414

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114. Scars are a sign of healing

Since the conclusion of the presidential election, dissatisfaction and the potential for confrontation have simmered. While some pan-blue supporters feel disillusioned and outraged at the result, the pan-greens feel they have been deprived of the joy to celebrate President Chen Shui-bian's (???) re-election. And although Saturday's pan-blue demonstration ended peacefully, the ruling and opposition parties still need to work hard to reduce tensions.

The reason why the election resulted in such a serious split is that voters have been encouraged to vote according to their ethnic backgrounds. This has affected every part of society, with dichotomies such as "Taiwanese president versus foreign control," "Taiwanese versus Chinese," "pro-referendum versus anti-referendum" and "pro-democracy versus anti-democracy" proving most effective.

This campaign method is capable of generating antagonism with very little effort. And the distinction between these would-be poles has been devised to place barriers between friends and foes and conjure up maximum political momentum.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/30/2003108444

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115. Chen's surge in support is the key

The combined vote for the separate Lien and Soong tickets in the 2000 election was 2.6 million more than that of Chen and Lu, representing a nominal 20-percent lead for Lien and Soong at the outset of the 2004 election campaign.

Chen therefore had to win at least 1 million more votes than before if he was to secure re-election. In the end, this year's election saw Chen's support increase by 1.5 million votes, allowing him to win by the barest of majorities.

Chen's narrow victory is therefore based on this foundation of 1,500,000 votes. This massive jump is the real story of the election.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/30/2003108447

This story also brings up the assassination sympathy vote which I do not agree with. And I believe I've morally and honestly came to the correct conclusion. After living in Taiwan off and on for 15 years and meeting literally thousands of people I believe I can confidently make that conclusion. Taiwanese above all are afraid of China. Taiwanese may at times show a rough side, like after a scooter/car crash argument of who's going to pay-off whom, but in no way do they want trouble. In 99.99% of my personal experience, I feel that any military/gun/threat events is ALWAYS translated into votes for KMT, the 'SAFE' vote of status quo. I've only met one man who said he'd rather die fighting than ever become apart of China.

I read many stories published by the 'mainstream media' who say the last elections when China fired missiles over Taiwan it back fired and caused the DPP to win. I think these stories are written by 'Foreign Drunkard Journalists' who actually know very little about Taiwan. (Which is evident by the stories they publish that Taiwan is a renegade province of China.) Either they are just taking stories written by KMT media operatives, rewording them and publishing the reports with their names on them or they are incompetent or they are corrupt (taking bribes from the KMT and/or Communist China. There's no inbetween on the facts of Taiwan.

Anyway, I can't wait to get to heaven to see if I've done properly what God put me here on Earth to do; Use my brain to morally and honestly evaluate facts to the best of my human ability without reguard to being prejudice. Without lying to myself and others for monetary/political power. Shame shame on the major news sources CNN and FOX and their immoral staffs.

Any fear in Taiwan means votes for the KMT.

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116. Taiwan president claims mandate - Wash. Post

By Philip P. Pan and David E. Hoffman

Democratic reforms
But Chen said the new constitution had nothing to do with Taiwan's independence. Instead, he said, it aims to deepen democratic reform and improve governance by lowering the voting age, adding new human rights guarantees, reducing the size of the legislature and settling other disputes that have left the island's government gridlocked.

Chen's comments came days after Beijing issued an unusually strong warning that it would not tolerate turmoil in Taiwan and announced plans to issue a legal ruling as early as Friday that could quash growing demands in Hong Kong for direct elections to choose the territory's leaders. By speaking out at such a sensitive moment and drawing a link between Taiwan's future and China's approach in Hong Kong, Chen raised the stakes for those in the Communist Party leadership who want to stifle the pro-democracy movement in the territory.

"In Taiwan, we have full democracy, and our freedom and democracy are fully protected," he said. "We do not wish to return to the era of authoritarianism. We don't want our freedoms to be restricted or taken away. . . .

"Right now, the people of Hong Kong are fighting for direct elections for their chief executive and general elections for the entire legislature, but the Beijing authorities are unable to consent," Chen said. "They even say, 'Wait another 30 years and we'll see.' I think this is very ridiculous.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4627114/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33322-2004Mar29.html


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Mr. Pan and Mr. Hoffan,

You are NOT telling the world the truth. I would, with near certainty, say you immigrated to America from Mainland Communist China or that you both are from the KMT Mainland Chinese lot which invaded Formosa in 1949. Tell the readers the truth! Just as Mutual Fund Managers must say whether they are holding the companies they are promoting! Shame on you! A moral non bias WP reporter should replace both of you. That’s all Taiwan asks for, an honest independent journalist to investigate and tell the TRUTH!

You’re fired!


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“In 1949, Taiwan did not “split off from China”, but was occupied - MSNBC


By Kari Huus (Kari is good moral person and a moral/honest Reporter.)
MSNBC

Beijing says China’s rule over Taiwan dates as far back as the Yuan Dynasty, in the 12th century. But independence advocates now openly argue that China never did rule Taiwan and that Taiwan’s people are not as “Chinese” as mainland propagandists would like to pretend.

“In 1949, Taiwan did not “split off from China”, but was occupied by the losing side in the Chinese Civil War,” according to a 1999 white paper endorsed by 18 overseas Taiwanese associations.

Centuries ago, the island had an aboriginal culture of Malay and Polynesian descent. In the 17th century, the Dutch and Portuguese had colonies here, and the imported Chinese laborers — all men — intermarried with locals, forming the basis of the majority of today’s population. According this version of history, it was only in 1887 that China declared Taiwan a part of its territory in an effort to stem Japanese expansionism, say independence activists. But when that failed, China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity.

The Japanese held Taiwan for 50 years, until their defeat in World War II. In the years immediately after, Allied Forces backed Chiang Kai-shek’s temporary occupation of Taiwan. But according to pro-independence legal experts, the Nationalists never had a legal basis to stay.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3072143 /


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With a bunch left out!
http://www.csmonitor.com/earlyed/earlyWO0321a.html

Pre-1500s - Inhabited for thousands of years, Taiwan's first known settlers most likely migrated from different areas of Southeast Asia.

1517 - Portuguese sailors passed an island off the eastern coast of China not marked on their maps. They call it "Ilha Formosa" or "Beautiful Island."


1624 - Dutch traders claim the island as a base for commerce in the region and begin to colonize the southwestern part of the island.


1626 - Spanish land on the north side of Taiwan, build forts, and start settlements.


1642 - The Dutch drive out the Spanish.


1661 - Koxinga, the last general of China's Ming dynasty, invades Taiwan.


1662 - After a bloody, nine-month siege, the Dutch governor surrenders Taiwan to Koxinga.


1683 - Manchus from China take the Kingdom of Taywan, and annex western Taiwan to Chinese empire.


1884 - French forces invade northern Taiwan, occupying the seaport of Keelung, only to withdraw a year later.


1895 - Sino-Japanese War ends. China cedes Taiwan to Japan in Shimonoseki Treaty. Japan quickly develops Taiwan's economy.


1930 - A major, two-month uprising in central Taiwan leaves thousands dead.


1945 - World War II ends. Japan surrenders. US and Britain agree to hand over Taiwan to Chiang Kai-shek's Republic of China government, which controls most of China. Chiang imposes martial law in Taiwan. Beijing vows to retake control of the island.


1949 - After being defeated by communists in China, Chiang and more than one million followers, the Kuomintang (KMT), flee to Taiwan. This group of mainland Chinese dominates Taiwan's politics for decades, even though it accounts for less than 15% of the population.

(Forgot to mention the Gwo Ming Dong (KMT) murdering and butching Taiwanese since the day they Invaded.


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the occupation of Taiwan by Chiang Kai-shek's armies fleeing from China



http://www.taiwandc.org/un-2001.htm

The establishment of the United Nations in 1945 began a new era in international relations, and prompted a long series of declarations of independence in Asia and Africa. Because of a fluke accident of history -- the occupation of Taiwan by Chiang Kai-shek's armies fleeing from China -- the Taiwanese people were not able to join the international family of nations as an independent nation right away.


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US Congressional Record - retreated to Taiwan in 1949, the KMT...



Mr. PELL. Mr. President, on Tuesday Dr. Trong Chai came to Washington as part of a large Taiwanese delegation to the United States seeking support for Taiwanese membership in the United Nations.

I have known Dr. Chai for a great number of years. He was the founder and first president of the Formosan Association for Public Affairs , an organization that has long struggled to draw attention to political and economic developments on Taiwan. Dr. Chai's career is testimony to the impressive changes that has occurred in Taiwan.

Four years ago I pressed the Taiwanese Government to permit Dr. Chai, then a professor of political science at the City University of New York, to return to Taiwan. Permission was granted and, after 30 years of exile in the United States, Dr. Chai made the journey back to his homeland. There he formed an organization to press for the international recognition of Taiwan.

Two years later Dr. Chai was elected to the Legislative Yuan, Taiwan's parliament, and this month he became the co-chair of the Committee on Foreign Relations.

In the last few weeks I have had the opportunity to meet with leaders of both the opposition and ruling party in Taiwan. I have been impressed with the unanimity of agreement that exists concerning the issue of Taiwanese membership in the United Nations. The economic success of Taiwan and its emerging democracy have contributed to a rising nationalism in Taiwan. In my view, the nature of Taiwan's success will ultimately bring it the international recognition that it deserves. I am pleased that the Taiwanese leadership is united in its efforts to achieve this goal.

At a luncheon sponsored by the Formosan Association for Public Affairs earlier this week, Dr. Chai presented his views concerning why the United States should support Taiwan's readmission to the United Nations.

I ask unanimous consent that Dr. Chai's speech be included in the Record.

There being no objection, the speech was ordered to be printed in the Record, as follows:


The United States Should Support Taiwan in Joining the United Nations


(BY TRONG R. CHAI)

Today is a day for family reunions in Taiwan. It is the day of Taiwan's Moon Festival, a day when the family in Taiwan lift their heads together and enjoy the full moon. We are here to lower our heads for a moment and think about why there is no international family reunion with Taiwan.

On October 25, 1971, The United Nations, by a vote of 76 to 35, passed GA/RES 2758, recognizing the government of China to be represented in the U.N. With this resolution, the other entity for China represented by Chiang Kai-Shek was deemed illegal and expelled from the U.N. Since then, the people of Taiwan have been shut off from this international organization.

Taiwan is qualified to be a U.N. member. It has scored great economic achievements: a GNP of $220 billion which ranks 20th in the world, a Per Capita Income of $10,500 that ranks 25th, and a foreign trade volume which ranks 13th with a foreign reserve that stands at world's pinnacle. Judging from these records, Taiwan should be admitted to the U.N.

Among the world's 191 nations, only Switzerland, Holy See, Tonga, Nauru, Tuvalu, Kiribati and Taiwan are not U.N. members. Taiwan is the only nation truly left out of the U.N. Switzerland, the perennial neutral nation, never has the intention of becoming a U.N. member. The other five nations, with an aggregate population of no more than 190,000, occupy small, limited areas of land, and are not willing to join the U.N. Taiwan has been willing and able to become a member of the world organization. However, due to political reasons, it has been denied U.N. membership. The denial of representation for 21 million Taiwanese people, who rank 43rd most populous in the world, violates not only moral principles but also human rights.

It has been 23 years since Chiang Kai-Shek's Kuomintang (KMT) was expelled from the U.N. Although the people of Taiwan have incessantly expressed their desire to join that world body during these years, their efforts have thus far been in vain. There are two reasons for the failure:

First, as one of the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, the People's Republic of China, ignoring the internationally known fact that Taiwan has been independent for forty-five years, still insists that `Taiwan is a part of China' and use this as a reason for denying Taiwan's U.N. membership.

Second, since it retreated to Taiwan in 1949, the KMT government has adhered to the so-called one-China policy, which creates not only great confusion among the international community but also causes Taiwan to linger outside the U.N. door.

Recently, the KMT government wishes to imitate the precedents set by the two Koreas and the two Germanys and hope that parallel representation would be applicable to Taiwan. Thus, the KMT formulates the formula of `One nation, two seats,' by which Taiwan
would be able to join the U.N. along with the People's Republic of China. This approach, however, is unrealistic, doomed to fail.

The reason that all the Koreans and Germans were admitted to the U.N. is that prior to applying for the U.N. membership, both two Koreas and two Germanys had been simultaneously recognized by the international community. In fact, the ground for their admission is based on `two nations, two seats,' not `one nation, two seats.' Since no nation has simultaneously maintained formal diplomatic relations with both the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China on Taiwan, there is no chance that Taiwan would be admitted to the U.N. with the idea of `one nation, two seats' and in the name of the `Republic of China.'

To strengthen the humanistic and moral pleas embedded in their endeavor to join the U.N., a plebiscite must first be held. The plebiscite, to determine whether or not the name of `Taiwan' would be used, would not only help Taiwan reach a consensus on the name among its people but also show the world the will and the determination of the people of Taiwan in joining the U.N. When the people of Taiwan, by a huge margin, decide to use the name of `Taiwan,' the world community should give moral support to the people of Taiwan in their application for a new membership.

As a champion of human rights and the leader of the democratic world, the United States has taken political and economic sanctions against those nations that seriously violate human rights. This year, the United States has urged China to improve the human rights situation when granting China the Most Favored Nations status. And now that 21 million Taiwanese people are being denied U.N. membership, the United States should support Taiwan in joining the U.N. on the ground of universality of membership and for the respect of the human dignity of and human rights of the people in Taiwan.



http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/1994/s940930-taiwan.htm


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Taiwanese Isolation Seems like "Apartheid," Says Church Official



TAIPEI--A leading Taiwanese church official has called on churches world-wide to help end Taiwan's "invisibility" and "isolation."

Even though Taiwan in practice functions as an independent country, the People's Republic of China, only 130 kilometers away, regards Taiwan as a renegade province, and looks forward to the day when it can gain
sovereignty over the island.

Referring to the refusal of the world's major powers to support efforts aiming at the recognition of Taiwan as an independent nation with a seat at the United Nations, William J. K. Lo, general secretary of the Presbyterian
Church in Taiwan (PCT), said July 1: "We are
isolated from the international community. Only 27 countries have diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Twenty-two million people Taiwan] are isolated from the international community. It seems to be a new form of apartheid."

William Lo, who became general secretary of Taiwan's biggest Protestant church last year, was speaking to the 35 members of the executive committee of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches (WARC) on the first day of their
11-day annual meeting, one of the most important international church gatherings ever to be held in Taipei, the Taiwanese capital. The PCT is one of the 214 churches world-wide which belong to WARC.

http://www.wfn.org/1999/08/msg00307.html


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Chiang was driven off the mainland to the island of Taiwan (1949)



Chiang Kai-shek was one of the most important political leaders in 20th century Chinese history, sandwiched between Sun Yat-sen and Mao Zedong. Early in the 20th century Chiang Kai-shek fought for Sun Yat-sen's United Revolutionary League and the Kuomintang party to overthrow China's imperial dynasty. The Republic of China was established in 1912, but by the end of the 1920s the Kuomintang split with the Communists (led by Mao Zedong) . After the death of Sun Yat-sen, Chiang became the leader of the Kuomintang army and seized control of the government. Still engaged in a civil war with the Communists, Generalissimo Chiang also led the army against Japanese invaders in Manchuria (1937). During World War II Chiang had the support of the Allied powers and was the supreme commander of the China theater for the length of the war, the acknowledged leader of a war-torn and impoverished China. After World War II ended, the Kuomintang and the Communists re-ignited the civil war, and Chiang was eventually driven off the mainland to the island of Taiwan (1949), where the Kuomintang set up a government-in-exile. Until his death in 1975, Chiang ruled Taiwan under martial law and modernized the economy, receiving support from the West for his anti-communism. His international position waned after the 1971 United Nations decision to recognize the Communists as the official government of China.

http://www.who2.com/chiangkaishek.html

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118. Media bears some of the blame for vote fiasco - TW

By Sylvia Feng ???

Thursday, Apr 01, 2004,Page 8

When polling stations closed at 4pm on March 20, millions of anxious voters turned on their televisions and waited for the final results of the so-called "exit poll." TVBS failed to keep its promise of announcing its results at 4:01pm. Nevertheless, the media did not let viewers down.

At 4:30pm, more than 6 million ballots had been counted according to one local TV station, while others roused themselves to catch up.

Ten minutes later, the total number of counted ballots exceeded 8 million. The pan-blue camp took a lead according to most stations except FTV. Some seemed nervous while others seemed increasingly happy.

You would see a different picture if you had been watching PTS -- Public Television Service -- from the beginning. Citing numbers given by the campaign headquarters of Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong (???), provided by the KMT's reliable local party chapters across the nation, PTS reported that President Chen Shui-bian (???) and Vice President Annette Lu's (???) ticket began to surpass its rival around 4:26pm, when the both camps had accumulated about 900,000 votes apiece. This tendency had continued all the way, with the Chen-Lu ticket slightly ahead of the Lien-Soong ticket.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/04/01/2003116248

FTV was the first rebel TV station in Taiwan which was put together by a DPP legislator. Because ALL other news sources are owned and controlled by KMT Fascists who invaded Taiwan from China. I have personal and direct knowledge the United Daily News Group, Lien Ha Bow, Min Sheng Bow, and Economic Daily News are owned and run by, (Managing Director) personal friends of the Chiang Kai Shek family and the KMT. I would give a deposition, under oath, if called by a Grand Jury.

ALL American cable TV showing 'Taiwan' news by Comcast cable is showing KMT fascist stations/programming.

CSPAN also aired the KMT fascist programming when it did its Taiwan reporting.

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119. Tainan investigators are looking for three witnesses to assassination try

AP , TAIPEI
Friday, Apr 02, 2004,Page 4

Officials investigating President Chen Shui-bian's (???) election-eve shooting showed pictures yesterday of potential witnesses -- two smiling young women and a man in a polo shirt -- and urged them to report to police.

The photos of the bystanders were taken just before Chen was shot while standing in an open Jeep passing crowds of supporters in Tainan on March 19.

Police, who haven't identified any suspects, have encouraged people to share their photos and video images from the scene. Officials said that the people in the pictures shown yesterday weren't suspects.

"We're not saying they have problems. We just want them to come forward and tell us whether they saw anything suspicious along that road," Tainan Chief Prosecutor Kuo Chen-ni (???) told reporters.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/04/02/2003116344

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120. Send the bill to the man in blue - Recount pay with embessled money

Today the Taiwan High Court begins its hearing of a lawsuit filed by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) against President Chen Shui-bian (???), Vice President Annette Lu (???) and the Central Election Commission. The lawsuit aims to declare the result of the presidential election null and void.

However, the question of who should pay the enormous costs associated with the judicial recount remains unsettled. Since the dispute is being handled through existing legal mechanisms, the answer to that question should of course have a legal and judicial basis.

It is not surprising that the KMT-People First Party (PFP) alliance is asking that the government pay the costs -- which are estimated to approach several hundred million NT dollars. This is because the recount is going to be an enormous project in which all 1,600 judges in the country as well as countless others will have to work intensely so the job can be finished in one day.

While it is unlikely that the KMT can't afford the bill -- it is still the richest political party on earth -- the KMT is of course reluctant to admit that it can pay, considering that during the campaign Chen proposed forcing it to return to the government and the people the money it embezzled.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/04/02/2003116370

Where's Mikie Whore's story for CNN on this?

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121. Taiwanese with ties to China must look within

By Wong Ping-yun ???

Friday, Apr 02, 2004,Page 8

I am very disappointed, as a second-generation Mainlander in Taiwan, at the recent comments by the Coalition for Equal Opportunity (????????). I think the coalition's opinion on Taiwan's ethnicity problem only spotlights superficial harmony and lacks a deep reflection on history. From their perspective, it seems that anyone who proposes to examine ethnic inequality in Taiwan's history is guilty of accumulating ethnic hatred and escalating antagonism. I strongly oppose such thinking.

I think the key to easing ethnic tension lies in the Mainlanders' attitude. Politically and economically privileged in the past, Mainlanders should engage in public and continuous reflection and discussion of the inequalities of their past rule over other ethnic groups like Hoklo (more commonly known as Taiwanese), Hakka and Aboriginals. Also, politicians of Mainlander ancestry should educate and guide their Mainlander supporters to reflect on the privileged status they have enjoyed for a long time and not haggle over whether they are treated equally or misunderstood by other ethnic groups.

As my age and learning increase, I gradually realize how my status as a child of a serviceman led to my being treated better by the government than other ethnic groups because the government did not fairly distribute social welfare resources. At the same time, I have also recognized that, under the hegemonic Chinese culture at the center of which is the Mainlander group, Mainlanders often involuntarily reveal a superiority complex while Hoklo, Hakka and indigenous cultures are distorted and marginalized.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/04/02/2003116372

Here's another one for Mikie Whore!

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122. Chen wound caused by gunshot - US Scientists

Three US forensic experts agreed yesterday that the wound on President Chen's stomach was made by a gun, but stressed that their results were not final
By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Wednesday, Mar 31, 2004,Page 3

Three US forensic scientists yesterday said that President Chen Shui-bian's (???) stomach wound was caused by a gunshot.

"All three of us agree that the president sustained a gunshot wound," Cyril Wecht, a respected forensic scientist, told reporters.

Flanked by trajectory analyst Michael Haag and crime-scene-identification analyst Timothy Palmbach, Wecht said that the trio had visited Chen at the Presidential Office yesterday morning and carried out a careful examination of the president's wound.

"We are forensic scientists and we make sure what and how the suspect caused the damage or injury," Wecht said. "But we are not here to decide who committed the crime. In addition, we are not law enforcement officers in Taiwan. We are independent forensic scientists and we are here to assist local law enforcement officers with their investigations."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/03/31/2003108539

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123. Pan-blue camp agrees to full recount

By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Saturday, Apr 03, 2004,Page 1

Both the pan-blue and the pan-green camps agreed to recount all the ballots from the presidential election, but neither political alliance wants to be responsible for paying the necessary expenses to conduct the process.

The Taiwan High Court held the first hearing for the suit yesterday. The suit was filed by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT)-People First Party (PFP) alliance in order to suspend President Chen Shui-bian (???) and Vice President Annette Lu's (???) re-election victory.

How to process the recount and who will pay the necessary expenses of the legal process were the subject of arguments between the plaintiff and the defendant.

Prior to yesterday's hearing, the parties had not come to an agreement on how to recount the ballots.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/04/03/2003116463

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124. Legislative majority next step for DPP, Chen says

By Lin Chieh-yu
STAFF REPORTER
Saturday, Apr 03, 2004,Page 3

President Chen Shui-bian (???) yesterday attributed his re-election to an upsurge of "local awareness," saying that his "one country on each side" of the Taiwan Strait approach has become the mainstream view in Taiwanese society.

The Democratic Progressive Party's (DPP) next goal is to gain a majority of seats in the Legislative Yuan after the legislative elections at the end of the year, Chen said on Thursday in an interview with Japan's Daily Yomiuri newspaper. The interview was published yesterday.

"The opposition parties' continual protests since their failure in the presidential election will help the DPP to realize this goal," he was quoted as saying.

Chen said that a "Taiwanese awareness" means to "protect Taiwan against China" and that it was almost impossible for Tai-wanese to accept Beijing's "one country, two systems" policy, which has been proved to be a failure by events in Hong Kong.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/04/03/2003116480

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126. US should promote dialogue

Saturday, Apr 03, 2004,Page 8

In his first interviews with the international media since the election, President Chen Shui-bian (???) called on the US to play a more constructive mediating role in cross-strait relations. Although Washington has reiterated its policy of non-involvement and urged both sides of the Taiwan Strait to solve their disputes in a peaceful manner, Chen's new proposal deserves special attention, particularly when it comes to the establishment of a framework for peaceful and stable interaction across the Strait.

For years, China has portrayed its relations with Taiwan as a "domestic affair" and opposed outside interference, especially from Washington. Nevertheless, in the past couple of months Beijing attempted a new strategy of putting pressure on Taipei by means of the US' influence, largely due to Chen's push to hold a referendum.

The Chinese leaders learned some valuable lessons from their saber-rattling and verbal intimidation ahead of the 1996 and 2000 presidential elections. The more Beijing resorted to missile threats and diplomatic pressure, the more likely it was to ensure a result opposite to the one it wanted. Therefore, the only way of reducing the possibility of a Chen victory was to team up with Washington in denouncing the referendum.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/04/03/2003116514

Sorry! All Bush and Cheney know how to do is murder people.

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127. Pro-Beijing media is pro-blue

Hsu Tung-ming ???

Saturday, Apr 03, 2004,Page 8

Like its fickle weather, Beijing varies in its judgment on and response to Taiwan's recent presidential election. Before the election, Chinese media acted like the pan-blue camp's cheerleaders. Yet, upon the declaration of the election result, China's Taiwan Affairs Office warned that it would not stand idly by if the violence in Taiwan got out of control.

When countries such as the US and Japan congratulated President Chen Shui-bian (???) on his re-election following the proclamation of the Central Election Commission of his victory, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs protested, stressing to the US that Taiwan is part of China and Washington should stay away from its domestic politics.

Two programs in China that routinely report on Taiwan's political development are Across the Taiwan Strait on the Chinese Cultural Television (CCTV) and Taipei on Air on Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV and both gave a lot of air time to the election.

Across the Taiwan Strait is similar in format to Taiwan's political talk shows. Heated discussion among guests is rare. They all share the same enemies -- from former president Lee Teng-hui (???) to Chen. They also hoped for a pan-blue victory -- in the belief that if that were to happen, China and Taiwan would get along better and direct links would be more likely to materialize. Experts and academics invited to the show even offered advice to the pan-blue camp as if they were its campaign chiefs in Beijing.

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128. Stop braying and start paying

Sunday, Apr 04, 2004,Page 8

The first court hearing in the suit filed by Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong (???) to declare the result of the presidential election null and void took place on Friday. However, it only revealed that a speedy resolution of the dispute is just not going to happen.

Apparently the KMT-PFP alliance has again changed its mind -- now, instead of a total recount of the votes, it wants a partial recount of only those votes cast for President Chen Shui-bian (???) and Vice President Annette Lu (???).

This news came as a surprise even to the alliance's most loyal supporters -- those who have been chanting "immediate and total recount" for two weeks at rallies that have been taking place at the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall or in front of the KMT headquarters. Reportedly, some of them couldn't help but ask, "Isn't it more fair to have a total recount?"

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129. "not the way it was done in 1963 in America." (Kennedy Assassination)

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong (???) tried to raise doubts in the public's mind about the integrity of the investigation into the March 19 shootings in Tainan by demanding that outside experts examine the evidence and monitor the investigation itself. They recommended the well-respected criminologist Henry Lee of the Connecticut State Police crime lab.

Lee dispatched three experts to visit the crime scene, review the evidence, interview witnesses and check out the Criminal Investigations Bureau and Tainan prosecutors' investigative efforts.

The team did all that and more, even obtaining permission to examine Chen's wound.

Their conclusion: Chen and Lu indeed appear to have been shot on March 19, and at the time that cameras and witnesses suggest they were shot. One of the experts, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, Coroner Cyril Wecht -- who was highly critical of the controversial Warren Commission investigation of the 1963 assassination of former US president John Kennedy -- said: "Everything is completely consistent -- no discrepancies, nothing strange." He said that the president's wound "is completely consistent with a gunshot wound," and added that the investigation of the incident was being conducted in a "completely open way -- not the way it was done in 1963 in America."

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130. Chen mingles with crowd on hometown visit

By Lin Chieh-yu
STAFF REPORTER
Monday, Apr 05, 2004,Page 3

President Chen Shui-bian (???) yesterday returned to his hometown in Tainan County for Tomb Sweeping Day, the traditional ceremony of ancestral and religious worship.

Thousands of Tainan residents gathered in the streets to welcome the president. Tight security measures were in place, including Chen's wearing a bullet proof vest inside his jacket.

Upon arrival in Tainan County, he went to Fo-jui Temple (???) in Hsinhua township (???) to pay homage to his late family members, his father, Chen Sung-ken (???), his maternal parents and his uncle.

In the wake of the shooting incident, the safety of the president was of the utmost importance. In order to ensure his safety, secret service agents formed a human chain to create a clear passage through the crowds for Chen. The president clasped both of this hands to show his appreciation to the people.

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131. Expert prepares to investigate shooting - Henry Lee interview

Monday, Apr 05, 2004,Page 4

Taipei Times: Have the three American forensic experts you sent to Taiwan updated you on the latest results of the investigation?

Henry Lee (???): They have phoned me and told me that they have finished the preliminary examination of the material evidence they collected in Taiwan. Upon my return to the US, they will brief me about their findings.

TT: The three experts said that President Chen Shui-bian (???) was indeed shot and the wound was fresh. Do you agree with this finding?

Lee: Even though I have not examined the wound, if they found that it was a gunshot wound and it was fresh, I will verify that. Judging from the photos, it looks just like a gunshot wound.

As for how fresh it was, I cannot make a conclusion.

TT: Wecht indicated that his team could not judge when Chen was shot. In your experience, can a judgement be made on how fresh a wound is after it has healed?

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132. Taipei Mayor Ma told to fulfill his responsibilities

By Jewel Huang
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Apr 06, 2004,Page 1

Cabinet spokesman Lin Chia-lung (???) yesterday urged Taipei Mayor Ma Ying-jeou (???) to make a choice between his multiple loyalties when dealing with the pan-blue rally to be held on April 10.

Lin asked Ma to take every citizens' rights into consideration, and not think only of the pan-blue camp's supporters.

At a news conference held at the Executive Yuan yesterday, Lin said that the Cabinet issued an official letter to the Taipei City Government asking Ma to reconsider the possibility of revoking the permit for the April 10 pan-blue rally since it is likely that illegal rallies and turmoil will occur in the city again, in light of the two previous cases.

"We have seen the bloodshed which happened on March 26 and April 3. Do we really have to see it happen again on April 10?" Lin said.

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133. retired officer who posed as an active officer at a rally by the blue camp

DEMONSTRATION: The lawmakers said the authorities were too lenient with retired naval officer Liao Wei-yi, who posed as an active officer at a rally by the blue camp
By Brian Hsu
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Apr 06, 2004,Page 3

Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lawmakers criticized a retired naval officer who showed up in military uniform at a demonstration led by the pan-blue camp Saturday at the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall, calling him an opportunist not worthy of respect.

DPP Legislator Chen Chung-hsin (???), a member of the legislature's defense committee, called the officer, retired Captain Liao Wei-yi (???), a man "who has been pulling strings to get promotions."

Liao addressed the crowd posing as an active officer.

He retired from the military in 2001 but was hired shortly thereafter by the Chung Shan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) as a civilian engineer.

Liao's appearance at the demonstration in uniform shocked the military, especially the navy and the institute.

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134. Analysts: Splits among pan-blues are growing

AFP , TAIPEI
Tuesday, Apr 06, 2004,Page 4

Divisions have started to appear within Taiwan's opposition as the parties contesting President Chen Shui-bian's (???) razor-thin election victory push their conflicting interests, analysts say.

While opposition hardliners have insisted that anti-Chen protests in the capital should continue, moderates fear that further demonstrations will alienate their middle-class supporters who are calling for stability, observers say.

And they believe that the under-fire Chen, leader of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), could cash in on the apparent split.

"The noises from the opposition have provided the DPP a chance to reduce the pressure by switching the limelight from the disputed election to the emerging conflict within the opposition," said Wu Tung-yeh (???), professor of National Chengchi University's Institute of International Relations.

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135. `Hunger-strikers' linked to parties

By Jewel Huang
STAFF REPORTER
Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004,Page 2

The student protesters staging a "hunger strike" at the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall yesterday were alleged by fellow students to have worked with the pan-blue camp even as they claimed to be politically neutral.

The university students, numbering no more than 15 at a time, have been staging a sit-in and "hunger strike" since last Friday in an appeal to the government to establish a "truth task force" to investigate the shooting of President Chen Shui-bian (???) and Vice President Annette Lu (???).

Students are taking turns going without food for 12 hours, labeling the action a "hunger strike."

Tien Wei-li (???), a student at Feng Chia University in Taichung, fainted yesterday morning after claiming to have been on a 88-hour fast.

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136. Youthful protesters seem misguided

Students from National Taiwan University, National Chengchi University, Fu Jen Catholic University and other schools recently began to take part in the post-election protests led by the pan-blue camp. Claiming to be free of political bias, more than a dozen of these students began a sit-in and hunger strike last Friday at the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial.

The hunger strikers have made five proposals. First, they want President Chen Shui-bian (???), Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong (???) to apologize for the political chaos of the past four years. Second, an independent investigation -- formed by a special law -- must be conducted into the assassination attempt on Chen and Vice President Annette Lu (???). Third, an ethnic-equality committee should be established. Fourth, Chen should apologize for manipulating the media, undermining government neutrality and violating the constitutional spirit. Fifth, Chen should promise to form a coalition government and the Cabinet should be made up by the majority party in the legislature after the year-end legislative elections.

The students, however, seem to have no idea of how the government works -- or much knowledge of recent political history. The president is in a position of power, but he is not all-powerful.

For example, take the students' appeal for a Cabinet made up of the party with a legislative majority. Such a significant change to the government system would require a fundamental revision of the Constitution. Such power lies in the hands of the legislature, not the president. Since it is the pan-blue camp that claims a legislative majority, the students should be making this demand to Lien and Soong, not Chen.??

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The 'Fourth' lets you know they're ignorant, puppets, or paid KMT Fascist Mercenaries. Anyone who is objective and knows the facts knows the Taiwan media is literally owned by the Mainland KMT Fascists. (Except for the recent arrival of FTV and Liberty Times.) What gets me is how could the students be so stupid to even include four? It just shows them as liars.

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137. Media now a catalyst for unrest

By Xiang Yang ??

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004,Page 8

With the pan-blue camp's April 3 demonstration having ended and the protesters in front of the Presidential Office having been dispersed by the police, we have earned a temporary calm after more than two weeks of political unrest. The weather in Taipei was fine on Monday, and the stock market rose sharply, providing concrete evidence that what our society needs is reason and peace.

The calls from religious leaders, women's organizations and business and student associations for the government and opposition to maintain their cool and heal the wounds of the election with care and tolerance is further evidence of the existence of a middle-of-the-road force. This force often remains silent, but it makes up the mainstream of society and is invaluable at crucial moments.

The media originally belonged to this middle-of-the-road force. They are society's conscience and the protectors of the public. Regrettably, the media's reporting during and after the presidential election has added to the political conflict and unrest, without regard for the media's function as a fourth estate independent of executive, legislative and judicial authority.

The media have instead deteriorated into a center for instigating unrest, expanding the confrontation between government and opposition, and misleading readers and viewers. They have even intervened in the political conflict, willing to become the mouthpieces of political parties and lead society into a state of chaos, anxiety, doubt and worry, which in turn has led to social and ethnic division. These are serious issues that media professionals must face at this crucial moment.

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139. Siew: recount bid futile - Ut oh! Where's Mikie going to get his pay-offs

from now?

By Charles Snyder
STAFF REPORTER IN WASHINGTON
Thursday, Apr 08, 2004,Page 1

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Vice Chairman Vincent Siew (???) conceded that the pan-blue alliance had little chance of overturning the results of the presidential election but failed to answer questions why the KMT and the People First Party (PFP) were still trying to nullify the ballot.

Siew made his comments in a speech in Washington in which he discussed prospects for cross-strait relations in the wake of President Chen Shui-bian's (???) re-election last month.

"Although the pan-blue camp immediately challenged the election results, and the Taiwan High Court has directed the parties to decide how to conduct a recount of the vote, the prospects for overturning the results or achieving the pan-blues' demand for a new vote do not seem high," he said.

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140. DPP condemns Soong's actions

OUTRAGEOUS REMARKS: Not only did PFP Chairman James Soong say he would lead a break-in at the Presidential Office, he also insulted Vice President Annette Lu
By Debby Wu
STAFF REPORTER
Thursday, Apr 08, 2004,Page 2

The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) yesterday condemned People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong's (???) public declaration that he would lead the crowd to break into the Presidential Office during a planned blue-camp rally on Apr. 10. His sexually unsavory comments about Vice President Annette Lu's (???) statement on the election-eve shooting incident was also slammed.

When Soong visited students on a hunger strike on Monday evening, he said that people should give up their lives for what they believe in and that he would accompany the crowd to break into the Presidential Office on April 10.

DPP Legislator Hsiao Bi-khim (???) yesterday said that it was surprising that Soong would encourage students to break the law.

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141. DPP condemns Soong's actions

OUTRAGEOUS REMARKS: Not only did PFP Chairman James Soong say he would lead a break-in at the Presidential Office, he also insulted Vice President Annette Lu
By Debby Wu
STAFF REPORTER
Thursday, Apr 08, 2004,Page 2

The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) yesterday condemned People First Party (PFP) Chairman James Soong's (???) public declaration that he would lead the crowd to break into the Presidential Office during a planned blue-camp rally on Apr. 10. His sexually unsavory comments about Vice President Annette Lu's (???) statement on the election-eve shooting incident was also slammed.

When Soong visited students on a hunger strike on Monday evening, he said that people should give up their lives for what they believe in and that he would accompany the crowd to break into the Presidential Office on April 10.

DPP Legislator Hsiao Bi-khim (???) yesterday said that it was surprising that Soong would encourage students to break the law.

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142. Fund says TV stations are the losers -Don't leave out Mikie the loser/liar

DECEPTIVE: The Broadcasting Development Fund says the nation's TV stations have harmed their own image by broadcasting suspect ballot figures on election day
By Cody Yiu
STAFF REPORTER
Thursday, Apr 08, 2004,Page 2

The Broadcasting Development Fund yesterday held a seminar to discuss television news stations exaggerating ballot count figures on the day of the presidential election. Academics and media analysts agreed that the media had lost much of the public's trust due to its coverage of the election.

Chen Ching-ho (???), a professor at National Chengchi University, Dennis Peng (???), associate professor at the Graduate Institute of Journalism at National Taiwan University, Taiwan Marketing Research President Huang He (??) and senior media figure Yang Hsien-hung (???) were among those who took part in the discussion, while Connie Lin (???), the CEO of the fund, hosted the event.

"The media has gone overboard with its so-called `ballot count reports' on the day of the election and therefore has lost a lot of its public integrity," Chen said.

Chen and others at the seminar pointed out that they, who were all involved in the media business, were doubtful about the ballot count figures they saw on television as every news station had numbers that differed greatly from those offered by the election authority, the Central Election Commission (CEC).

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143. CEC chairman loses his temper at Legislative Yuan

By Cody Yiu
STAFF REPORTER
Thursday, Apr 08, 2004,Page 2

Central Election Commission (CEC) Chairman Huang Shih-cheng (???) yesterday had a disagreement with a Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) legislator at the Legislative Yuan and lost his temper while reporting on presidential election day operations at the Home and Nations Committee.

During the committee inquiry, KMT Legislator Chu Fong-chi (???) said that Huang should step down from his position at the CEC due to the many mistakes made by election workers.

Huang first made a report on all the mistakes found and recorded by election workers before the inquiry was held.

While Chu was asking questions, she demanded in a harsh tone that Huang should quit his job.

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144. Pan-blues go shopping for new judges

By Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Apr 09, 2004,Page 1

The opposition alliance of the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) and the People First Party (PFP) refiled a lawsuit yesterday to challenge the result of the presidential election, hoping to find more pan-blue friendly judges, court officials said.

Taiwan High Court spokesman Wen Yau-yuan (???) said the court received and accepted the suit, which seeks to have the election declared a fraud, on Wednesday night.

The case will be heard by Presiding Judge Cheng Ya-ping (???) and her colleagues Wu Mo-yen (???) and Yu Hui-chun (???), Wen said.

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