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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:50 AM Original message |
French MPs vote to ban Islamic full veil in public |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Between this and the ban on minarets in Switzerland... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Why shouldn't we be sensitive and respect France's secular culture? |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Because they don't respect other cultures.... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. French Carmelite Nuns - Behold: |
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spanza (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Hahah... exactly! nt |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Do you remember IT on the Addams family? He/she would've |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
98. The Carmelites are cloistered order and do not go out in public. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. secular means not having to do with religion. condemning religion is not necessarily secular |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. You can wear crosses and nun's habits wherever you please there. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
108. Secular doesn't come with a dress code, and if you visit Europe and listen for a while... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
109. I agree...nt |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. So allowing men to boss women into wearing uncomfortable |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Does it apply to these women: |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Their faces are visible, so it is okay. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. There are Christian nuns which wear a full face veil |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. From Le Monde (translated), so far, yes. No ski masks. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Sporting events? What about just plain cold weather |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. We shall see. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. The law may have to be cleaned up for cold weather gear. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. And as you know, weddings are often held in public |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. what makes you think some women dont pick their clothing? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Apparently, Women Need Laws To Tell Them What Not To Wear |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. i can understand in saudi arabia where women dont have rights, but in france they do |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. These are the 2 that are banned. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. banning specific items of clothing by a specific religion is bigotry |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Excuse me. I couldn't tell from your post that you did. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
87. so what is making a woman wear a burka- sweet? nice? is it your idea |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. umm how is the state of france banning the burka allowing adult women to pick their |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. So, you think that the French should allow men to force |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. i think neither the state nor men should force women to wear or not wear things |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
49. Not at all... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. What if someone is disfigured and wants to cover? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. There are ways to cover yourself that aren't burqa or niqab |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Tyranny of the majority |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I think that analogy doesn't work... |
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SunnySong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Once again smokers save medicare money compared to non-smokers... |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. How so? Do you have the source? |
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SunnySong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. The only source there... |
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SunnySong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I think the sin taxes are fine... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Good thing some people still know what Liberty means here in the U.S. Guess it |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
83. Can I ask for clarification on the "subhuman" remark? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. I don't know why... but I love when groups of people instigate shit. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. pissing off muslims involves the skills required |
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Broke In Jersey (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
8. well...since I don't live in France.... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. How long until the bombings begin? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. Good.There are picts @ link of different veilings. Only FULL veil (face covered) is banned. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. What about ordinary cold weather gear? |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. The Chador usually covers the face |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. As does the Balaclava |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Chador can include a face veil. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. IMO they need to change the language of the law as it may conflict with seasons and medical. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
14. Good beginning |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well, that'll cut down the crowds on the slopes at Val d'Issere |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
30. Good. It's victory against fundamentalist superstition. |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
88. Our constitution gets in the way of what you are suggesting. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. The courts have held time and time again that the 1st Amendment has it's limitations. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. if france really wanted to emancipate muslim women, this is not the path |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Every bit as much as the Swiss minaret ban |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. i agree. its convenient hate mongering in france, to ignore real economic issues |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. A lot of people/politicians in France are racist against north Africans who have |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. this has nothing to do with sharia/taliban or tyranny. nt |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I do not understand how freeing women from full veils is bad. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Well you seem to have nailed it |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Well, you know France is a secular socialist country and all. Yup, full face veils=yarmulkes |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I support the part which fines others for forcing them to wear things |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. yes, its simply stating white men in france can control what muslim women wear |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Perfect |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. do not specifically target the full veil but prohibits "concealment of the face." Men too. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. A VERY IMPORTANT POINT! |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
80. Did you know that France has a right-wing government that's catering to the extreme RW? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Sarko is rw, better than Le Pen would have been. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Do you really think this will free any woman? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #64 |
94. thats my fear, that what it will end up doing is further restrict the ability of these women |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Another question - do you think any woman in the US was ever coerced to have an abortion? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Of course. Tell me the showstopper. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. How would you feel if someone said the term 'antisemism' is a bit overused? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #78 |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
68. exactly nt |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. I wonder if the younger full veil wearers are glad |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. And they can finally lock up women like this.... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The only one of those that would fall under the rule is the one with a sword |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. The social support, exactly. Even if the formutalters of this law |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. It simply "wins the argument" about who gets to dictate what women can and cannot do |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
74. Bingo. nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
42. Ah, kicking off this year's riot season. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. Huh? What's that supposed to mean? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. Good. I hope it passes the other house, too. |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
67. It should be interesting.... |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
73. I see this as a security issue. Hooded tops have been banned in the UK since 03 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Hoodies have not been banned in public in the UK... |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. There have been hoodie bans in the UK |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
75. i wonder how much consideration was given to what French muslim women think. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. In practice it'll probably sentence god knows how many of them to house arrest. (nt) |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. .. and I think that this points to the problem |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. yup. which is a concern they would have heard had they consulted with muslim women |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Where does it say they hadn't consulted with muslim women? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. where does it say they have? where does it say, that french lawmakers |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Here are interesting takes on it from Guardian, including French Muslims... |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. have you read what legitimate human rights organizations feel about this? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No. Have you? If you give me links, I'll be happy to |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. yes, i have. read several of their objections to this law. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. links? I would like to read them. Thanks. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. here you go |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Thanks, will go read them. |
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western mass (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
89. Intolerent religious fanatics crying foul |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
90. Nothing in the Islamic religion that calls for total cover... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Thank you for your post and pictures. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Thank you. nt |
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Brooklyns_Finest (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
107. Great News |
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