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Raggz Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 08:14 PM
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'Myanmar working on nukes'
Source: The Times of India

LONDON: Myanmar is working on a nuclear weapons programme, a media report said, citing expert opinion on leaked photographs.

Fears that the country's military junta had joined a clandestine nuke network linking North Korea, Iran, Pakistan and Syria have been growing for some time, but there has not been hard evidence until now. Now, secret documents and hundreds of photographs smuggled out of Myanmar by a defector indicated that it was intent on developing nuclear weapons and long-range missiles, the Daily Telegraph reported.

Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Myanmar-working-on-nukes/articleshow/6221024.cms



Houston, we have another problem
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 08:21 PM
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1. Sounds familiar
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 08:54 PM
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2. When will Netanyahu bomb Myanmar...
or is that an Indian problem.
Their backyard.
Their assholes.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 09:16 PM
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3. yes, and that problem is that the US still has nuclear weapons
Any attempts to stop nuclear proliferation will be meaningless and ineffective so long as the US - the inventor of and only country to ever use such weapons - continues to threaten the safety of humanity by keeping nukes.
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:11 AM
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17. So everyone should get them?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:24 AM
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18. no one should have them
So long as one country has them, that country has no business suggesting that any other country shouldn't as well.
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:28 PM
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19. Wow.
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 03:30 PM by Socal31
You live in lala land.

The less people with these weapons the better. I wish the USSR, China, USA, and Britian were more aggressive in keeping them from other nations. Unless you are comfortable with the fact that a Pakistani or Indian general can end the Earth as we know it at any time?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 07:08 AM
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26. You mean to advocate "Do as I say, not as I do"?
That's what you're suggesting. I actually think that the fewer countries with nukes the better; the number should be zero. However, so long as the US has them, suggesting that another country should not is completely hypocritical. If the US got rid of our nukes it would set a good example, and even if it didn't, at least there would be far fewer of these useless and needless weapons in the world.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:08 PM
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28. you've taken your position to its practical conclusion
I'm fully confident you've taken your position to its practical conclusion and could elucidate for us the consequences...?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:56 AM
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29. I don't have a magic crystal ball...
but I can say that it would mean the total number of nuclear weapons - and thus threat to the world from nuclear weapons - would go down by a massive percentage, should the US decommission its arsenal. What effect that would or would not have on the global arms race isn't known at all... nothing like that has really been tried before.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 09:17 PM
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4. So is my wacky neighbor Fred
Everybody is working on nukes.

Two years ago, the fad was to dress up like a lunatic and pick up lots of women using high-tech subliminal hypnosis.

Today, it's building a nuke.

--d!
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:34 AM
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10. That's usually what attract me to a man. The bigger the nukes, well you know...
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:14 PM
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5. They barely have any money for running electricity and water, so how did they get money for this?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:29 PM
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6. Look to North Korea for an example. n/t
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:56 AM
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13. North Korea is Best Korea
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:26 AM
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7. Apparently we're not the only country that puts military projects before the welfare of its citizens
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:31 AM
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9. On a complete side not, hilarious poster.
:rofl: :thumbsup:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:05 PM
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14. Ever wonder why food rationing in England lasted well into the 50's?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:41 AM
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11. there's a great article in Time about the country
they have plenty of money for the military

none for the average person

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2005867,00.html
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:20 AM
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23. Opium and meth
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 12:40 AM by Turborama
UN ignores Burma junta’s drugs role

=snip=

Burma’s drug production has surged over the past year, Gary Lewis, a representative of the UNODC, told reporters in Bangkok two days before the annual event. Burma, he said, had experienced a “steep and dramatic” increase in opium cultivation, with 31,700 hectares, or 78,300 acres, of land under poppy cultivation in 2009, up by almost half since 2006.

At the same time, the production of synthetic drugs such as methamphetamine in the Burmese sector of the Golden Triangle has increased equally dramatically. According to Thai military sources, between 300 and 400 million pills will be produced this year, or almost double the amount in 2009. The main market for all these drugs is Thailand, but significant quantities are also smuggled into China, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and India. Some Burmese heroin, but very little methamphetamine, can also be found in Australia and North America.

The reason for this surge, Lewis told reporters, is that ethnic armies which once fought the Burmese army and now have entered into ceasefire agreements with the government, are coming under pressure to convert themselves into Border Guard Forces under central command. Most drugs in Burma are produced in areas controlled by the United Wa State Army (UWSA) and its allies, some of whom are smaller groups which also once formed part of the now defunct Communist Party of Burma (CPB). The UWSA and its allies are preparing for war: “They are getting ready to fight. They are selling more and more drugs so they can buy weapons to fight the government,” the Guardian last week quoted Lewis as saying.

Full article: http://www.dvb.no/analysis/un-ignores-burma-juntas-role-in-drugs/10460

United Wa State Army

The United States government labeled the UWSA as a narcotic trafficking organization on May 29, 2003. On November 3, 2005, The Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control listed 11 individuals and 16 companies that were "part of the financial and commercial network of designated significant foreign narcotics trafficker Wei Hsueh-kang and the United Wa State Army (UWSA)." The UWSA is said to be the largest drug-producing organization in Southeast Asia. The UWSP on its part blamed both the Ne Win military government and the CPB for using the Wa as "pawns in the violent destructive games" and encouraging them to grow the opium poppy.<6>

The opium poppy harvest had increased since the former drug baron and war lord Lo Hsing Han managed to rebuild his drug empire after he became the intermediary for cease-fire agreements between the military intelligence chief Khin Nyunt and the Kokang and Wa insurgents who had rebelled against and toppled the Communist leadership in 1989.<7> In addition to the traditional Golden Triangle export of opiates, production has diversified to methamphetamine, or yaa baa, which is not only much cheaper and easier to manufacture than heroin, but also more affordable.<8><9> Thai authorities have denounced methamphetamine production, trafficking, and consumption as a threat to national security.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army



The country is a corner of the Golden Triangle of opium production. In 1996 the United States Embassy in Rangoon released a "Country Commercial Guide", which states "Exports of opiates alone appear to be worth about as much as all legal exports." It goes on to say that investments in infrastructure and hotels are coming from major opiate-growing and opiate-exporting organisations and from those with close ties to these organisations.<130> A four-year investigation concluded that Burma's national company Myanma Oil and Gas Enterprise (MOGE) was "the main channel for laundering the revenues of heroin produced and exported under the control of the Burmese army." The main player in the country's drug market is the United Wa State Army, ethnic fighters who control areas along the country's eastern border with Thailand, part of the infamous Golden Triangle. The Wa army, an ally of Burma's ruling military junta, was once the militant arm of the Beijing-backed Burmese Communist Party. Burma has been a significant cog in the transnational drug trade since World War II.<131><132> The land area devoted to opium production increased 29% in 2007. A United Nations report cites corruption, poverty and a lack of government control as causes for the jump.<133>

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma#Foreign_relations_and_military

I saw a documentary on how Burma's military are actively involved in this about 5 years ago, I'll have a look and see if I can find it online...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:20 AM
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8. I KNEW the North Koreas would be involved in this, FUCKERS!
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:42 AM
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12. go read the article in Time this week on Myamar
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:18 PM
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15. thats exactly what the universe needs.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:06 PM
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16. I bet there is oil in Myanmar and a pipeline to China is built
Myanmar claims existence of new potential oil field

Myanmar has claimed there is existence of potential for a new oil field in the south of Maubin, the country's southwestern Ayeyawaddy division, according to Tuesday's official daily New Light of Myanmar.


...

It was reported that there remains many more promising regions for exploitation of oil and gas in the country.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90778/90858/90863/7073133.html


CNPC to build, run China-Myanmar oil pipeline

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-12/21/content_9209811.htm


Reminds me of something
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:57 PM
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20. What a joke! Check out these pics of their alleged nuclear weapons program.
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 12:28 AM by Prometheus Bound
According to Jane's, the proof is that they have machine tools and intellectual capacity. That's it!
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-21/myanmar-nuclear-program-claims-backed-by-photos-jane-s-says.html

This is so ridiculous.

The pictures look really scary!:scared:
http://www.dvb.no/news/expert-says-burma-%E2%80%98planning-nuclear-bomb%E2%80%99/9527


Sai Thein Win holding an impeller for a ballistic missile engine. He designed
the program to manufacture it on CNC machines from Europe (DVB)


Buildings under construction at the Thabeikkyin Nuclear Battalion (DVB)


A floor plan of the many machinery tools at Factory 2 near Myaing (DVB)


These are ‘bomb reactors’ likely used to convert uranium compounds
into uranium metal for bomb or reactor fuel (DVB)


A group of Burmese military and civilian workers pose with a
glove box they built at Factory 1 near Pyin Oo Lwin (DVB)

Doesn't this just scare the pants off you?

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:02 AM
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21. Ah, the next false flag...
I wondered what they were going to do with those excess troops and contractors from Iraq...

Gotta keep the fucking useless war machine churning along!!!

Fucking liars... :puke:
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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:10 AM
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22. Unless they've got actual ICBMs,
it's not our problem!
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 07:23 AM
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27. Or actual shipping containers
they can put on a ship bound for New York or LA.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:25 AM
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24. The U.S. spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined
Think about that.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:27 AM
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25. The only "Problem" Houston and the Rest Of this Planet has is that it is becoming a laughable, badly
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 12:33 AM by TheWatcher
produced Reality Show.

If anyone actually believes this Propaganda is any indication of an immediate dire threat, they have a problem as well.

A Serious Thinking Disorder.

And a complete and Total Amnesia of History for at least the past 10 years.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE.

Fake Terror, Fake Wars, Fake Country, Fake Economy, Fake Reality.

USA!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111

Let's just blow up and bomb the entire fucking planet save for us and The UK, JUST to make sure we are safe from Tewwowists and W3apunz of Mazz Dehstructshun.

What A Fucking Joke.

:eyes:
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