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Neutrino Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:04 AM
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U.S. Army admits suicides
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:13 AM
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1. Some DU'ers I read on threads in the last few weeks
nailed this right on the head!

From your article:
(snip) The senior officer, who asked not to be named, said that among 53 US military non-combat deaths since May 1, when the war was declared effectively over, were "probable" suicides as well as a large number of road accidents.

He did not say how many soldiers were suspected of committing suicide.

There have been a number of "non-hostile gunshot incidents" among US troops in that time, with suspected suicides and accidental discharges of weapons, for example during cleaning, included under the category. (snip)

Sad, sad, sad. Someone just last week discussed "non-hostile gunshot incidents" here, and believed the correct interpretation would probably be termed "suicide."
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molok555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:34 AM
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4. Co-worker who's a former Marine
says 'accidents' and 'non-hostile gunfire (Duh!)' are codes for suicides. No one wants to hear that their child went off the deep end and ended it overseas. And accident is easier to take.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:26 AM
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2. I am sorry to here this
.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:30 AM
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3. Support our Troops
Let's please bring them back home where they belong
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MyDogSpot Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:47 AM
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5. Has the army admitted the percentage of mental cases
sent to Landstuhl?

This is why unit rotation won't work. It's too slow and it's too costly, but those are just two glaring reasons.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:59 AM
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6. You're right, but:
They are trained together, and that has benefits.

And, no (or less) "fresh meat" syndrome.


And while I'm at it:

While the Iraqis are learning to aim, how bout we learn to drive?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:21 PM
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7. could this be because . . .
when they saw what they had done to the Iraqi people/country, they realized that they had participated in such a grand lie that their minds could not cope with what they had done?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:58 PM
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8. when i was in the Peace Corps 1973, we had suicide watches on ..
..on volunteers evac'd down from another islamic republic, we had to watch them night and day, two of us at a time, so they wouldnt get away, all we could do was keep them so drunk they couldnt walk out and start a holy war.. those poor guys were toast, raving nuts, they needed straight jackets. to be completely honest the arabs drove them totally crazy. Islam never had a reformation nor an Age of Reason. they have some serious cultural differances when you get way back into the Sahara.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 04:38 PM
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9. Islam never had an age of reason?
Ever heard those funny mathematical terms like algebra? That stuff came from the arab world. When Europe was going through the dark ages, they had a highly sophisticated culture. Science flourished, the greek and roman philosophers heritage was cherished, and relious tolerance practised. We are brainwashed to see only the "dumb ragheads" or religious zealots. But european renaissance drew, the emergence of reason and science, the rediscovery of the antique world, all had deep roots in the muslim culture.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:08 PM
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13. Exactly how did the Arabs drive them crazy?
This is a story I want to hear.

Eloriel
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 06:45 PM
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10. Melissa Valles
a 20-year-old soldier in Iraq, the only woman killed to date besides Lori Piestewa (the Hopi Indian in the 507th, Jessica Lynch's company) is one of the suicides.

And the bushistas won't even give her the honor, now, of including her death in the numbers they give out, i.e., the "combat casualties."
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 06:54 PM
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11. May God have mercy on her soul...
...and remember those who lied to send her there.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 06:56 PM
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12. I am not buying these are all suicides
Have any of these guys been low ranking "go by the book" officers?

Don

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:11 PM
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14. Thinking "frags"?
Now that you mention it...
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:12 PM
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15. hmmmm...
pretty exposed for that yet, seems. then again.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:15 PM
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16. But would we ever really know?
How many families would really be told?
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