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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 04:20 PM
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(New) Floods Force Thousands From Homes in Pakistan (Former PM: Heading To Revolution "Very Fast")
Edited on Sun Aug-22-10 04:53 PM by Turborama
Source: NYT

SUKKUR, Pakistan — Floodwaters continued to surge Sunday into areas of southern Pakistan, forcing thousands more people to abandon their homes in haste and flee to higher ground. Attention has now focused on the province of Sindh as the floods that have torn through the length of the country for three weeks move finally toward the Arabian Sea.

Water reached within half a mile of Shadad Kot, a town of 150,000 people, on Sunday afternoon, and several nearby villages were already cut off when a protective embankment began to give way, Yasin Shar, the district coordination officer of Shadad Kot, said by telephone. Most of the population has been evacuated, and more were still leaving, he said. “We are trying to save the embankment and keep on repairing wherever it is damaged, but the water is flowing with a lot of pressure,” Mr Shar said. “We hope the embankment won’t break. We are praying.”

Nearly five million people have been displaced from the worst flooding ever recorded in Pakistan. Hundreds of thousands are being housed in orderly tented camps set up in army compounds, schools and other public buildings, but thousands more are living on roadsides and canal embankments, spreading out mats under the trees or making shade over the simple rope beds they brought with them.

The town of Sukkur is overflowing with the influx of displaced people. On the edge of the town, a group of 15 families with scores of children are camped along the Dadu Canal. Their mood is nervous, edgy, and they race in a horde after any vehicle that slows down in the hopes it bears food or assistance. One woman showed her fractured arm, the result of a tussle for food.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/world/asia/23pstan.html



A former prime minister, Zafarullah Khan Jamali, a member of Parliament whose constituency in neighboring Baluchistan was 90 percent under water, warned that the mood would only worsen.

“These people will be out in the streets, this is what I see,” he said. “I have been through many floods, in ’56, ’73,’76 and 2007, but I have never seen a government less bothered.” He added, “The state is a failure, and the people will come out and naturally nothing can stop the wave of people.”

Asked if he was talking about a revolution, he replied, “Yes. We are heading toward that, very fast.”


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Photos: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11052984

BBC: Pakistan floods: Villagers flee threatened areas in south
August 22 2010 Last updated at 11:46 GMT
Tens of thousands of people in southern Pakistan are fleeing a threatened flood-surge, three weeks after heavy monsoon rains first hit the country.

In one village in Sindh province, Shahdadkot, people are trying to salvage their belongings amid fears a protective barrier will be breached.

Video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11051949


I saw a youngish farmer on TV earlier who said there's no point living and he just wants to die.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:01 PM
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1. Kick n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:03 PM
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2. What the farmer said is heartbreaking....
I'll bet that many feel that way. :(

K&R
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:08 PM
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3. In the meanwhile, while their government appears to do little
other than ask for aid and to get existing debt resheduled :

Pakistan flood aid from Islamic extremists :

The Prime Minister's own disaster relief fund has raised a paltry 120m rupees – less than £1m - a figure that is scoffed at by Mian Adil, the vice-president of Falah-e-Insaniat.

"We are raising that every day," he laughed. "We have thousands of volunteers, hundreds of collection points.

"The government can do nothing compared with us. We have the people of Pakistan - good Muslims - behind us. No-one trusts the government. No will give their money to them.

"But they saw us at work during the 2005 earthquake and know we will help again."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/7957988/Pakistan-flood-aid-from-Islamic-extremists.html

Fortunately water has a habit of running downhill, eventually into the sea ,and disappearing unlike the aftermath of earthquakes. It doesn't really matter how much aid is promised unless the countries which promised the aid really do come up with the goods unlike with Haiti which waits in vain.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:23 PM
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5. You've already posted that as an OP in this very forum, why are you posting it here?
By the way, water also has a habit of washing away all the top soil from a country's "bread basket", carries deadly diseases and the monsoon season has not finished. Not all catastrophic natural disasters are the same and this one is still continuing, as you may or may not know, depending on whether you read the article in the OP or not.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:11 PM
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4. K&R. These are desperate people
Who have been without needed help for far too long. ;(
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:33 PM
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6. Why not use the Army to help in the relief efforts?
Edited on Sun Aug-22-10 05:34 PM by Vehl
if its being utilized, how many are being put to the task?

I don't know the exact numbers but i do know that there are about 500 000 military on the Pakistani side of the border, locked in a mutual staring contest with India. Why not pull most of them out and let them help the flood victims? I really don't think India would do anything against Pakistan during this national tragedy

btw..why is the government being so lax in its response?...are zardhari and his parliament that corrupt/unconcerned about the poor?
from what i gathered that the heads of state/military top brass belong to the high/ruling-class of Pakistan and they are much removed from the fates of their poorer countrymen.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:02 PM
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7. "Pakistan army leads relief drive"
UPDATED ON:
SUNDAY, AUGUST 22, 2010
10:53 GMT

Many Pakistani flood victims remain angry at the lack of help they have received from the government.

The army, however, has been praised for its relief and rescue efforts, though it has been overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the disaster.

Al Jazeera's Jonah Hull travels with the military in flood-ravaged central Punjab and reports on the huge task ahead.


Video: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2010/08/20108229356114354.html


As to your other well put questions, I wish I had an answer.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:10 PM
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8. thats good to know!. nt
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:20 PM
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10. I posted the video in the videos forum just now, too...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:24 PM
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12. Thanks for that video. It is so awful, even if they had
several armies helping out, it is just so overwhelming, we are so powerless sometimes against the forces of nature. But from every report I've seen, no matter what news agency it was, the Pakistani army sure look like heroes right now and I'm sure that is how their own people will view them for a long time to come. They are David facing Goliath right now. And I am glad that the U.S. military has begun to work with them. See my post below.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:41 PM
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14. This thread's missing the pics of the superhero with the red beard, can you remember where they are?
n/t
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:15 PM
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9. The army is helping and has been from the beginning.
Pakistani army gains stature helping flood victims

The government's response was slow in the beginning and the President was in Europe and did not return immediately leading to anger in Pakistan. But the army has been there from the beginning.

While there is no doubt that this was necessary and if they had not been there, many people would be dead or still stranded, the U.S. wants the civilian government 'to reign in the military' fearful of a return to military rule in Pakistan since the military has been thought to have ties to extremist groups.

I'm afraid that the magnitude of this disaster is going to change all the rules, and I doubt that the Government, even it wanted to, could or should reign in the only means of rescuing people.

The sheer magnitude of the disaster would have tested any government. However, the Pakistani government's failures -- as well as the absence of President Asif Ali Zardari, who was in Britain and France as the catastrophe unfolded -- have contrasted with the military's ability to deliver assistance, with the army rescuing more than 100,000 people.

Washington is banking on Pakistan's civilian leadership to rein in the military, which is alleged to support some Islamic extremist groups, including the Afghan Taliban. British Prime Minister David Cameron recently accused Pakistan of the "export of terror."


Washington of course has its own interests to worry about. All of the supplies for the Afghanistan war come through Pakistan and a Military takeover might put a stop to that. But from the Pakistani Government's perspective, what does Washington expect them to do? To 'reign in' the military and leave people with even less assistance, would surely topple the government even faster.

Sounds like a stupid request quite frankly, if true. Which it may not be.

There are also news stories of the U.S. military cooperating now with the Pakistani military for relief efforts which seems like a far better way to handle it if possible.

Army rescues 3,000 flood victims, delivers tons of supplies in Pakistan

Nagata said he expects the focus of the Marine element will be the same as the Army focus: providing relief to Pakistanis in the Swat River Valley. He said he expects U.S. military presence in the region to continue as long as it is desired by the Pakistani government.

"We will be here so long as the government of Pakistan requests and requires our assistance," he said. "Everything we do, both the locations we operate from, the access we are given to fly, the landing zones that are designated for our support operations -- all these things are requested, provided by, designated by the appropriate authorities here in the military and the government of Pakistan."

Challenges in Pakistan now include continuing bad weather, Nagata said, which have reduced flying days for American pilots by as much as 50 percent. Also, he said waterborne disease remains a challenge for Pakistanis -- though U.S. military personnel have remained unaffected by those same illnesses.

What's not been a problem for the Army during relief operations in Pakistan are security threats from the Taliban, Nagata said.

"The Pakistani military, ever since we stood up this task force, have done simply an incredibly energetic job and totally committed job at providing multiple layers of security around our activities both in the air and on the ground," he said. "Frankly we have seen no evidence of a threat so far -- we are not looking for it."

The biggest challenge, Nagata said, is facing what nature has wrought on Pakistan.


So it looks like the U.S. military are working in cooperation with the Pakistani military and the U.S. General has highly praised the Pakistani military for all it has done so far.

Maybe it's time to deal with the disaster and realize that everyone on every side of this has much to lose if the country becomes completely unstable and for now, simply work together to save lives which the above article seems to suggest is what is happening.




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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:24 PM
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11. What an awesome post, Sabrina!
Thanks a lot for gathering all that info, I've got some catching up to do it seems.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:34 PM
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13. It's awesome that both militaries appear to be working
together Turbo. I loved this statement by the U.S. General and maybe I'm being too naive, but I see a lot of hope for the future in it so long as the politicians don't mess things up, people like Cameron eg:

"The Pakistani military, ever since we stood up this task force, have done simply an incredibly energetic job and totally committed job at providing multiple layers of security around our activities both in the air and on the ground," he said. "Frankly we have seen no evidence of a threat so far -- we are not looking for it."

The biggest challenge, Nagata said, is facing what nature has wrought on Pakistan.


Maybe what everyone needed was a different threat, and Nature has obliged, for them to see that we really are all in this together. Also the Pakistani army has been keeping the Taleban and other extremists that might pose a threat to U.S troops at bay.

It kind of makes liars out people like British PM, Cameron who appears to be an embarrassment to his own government having displayed his own Islamaphobia so blatantly last week.

I do believe the Obama administration will welcome this kind of cooperation right now. I will really start crying if the Indian Military starts helping, now that would be a miraculous turn of events.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:43 PM
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17. I personally would welcome if India offers its military to aid in the relief efforts.
I'm sure they know how dire the situations is now, for the civilians. but i doubt Pakistan would accept, given the suspicion that somehow this might help India gain classified information/intel if it(pakistan) allows indian soldiers in pakistani soil if. I donno..im just guessing

during times such as these people should stop thinking about animosities and come together as humans to save lives.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:39 PM
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15. thanks for the info. good to see relief work going on nt
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:42 PM
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16. BBC: Chaos as crowds flee Pakistan flood town
August 22 2010 Last updated at 23:42 GMT
Chaos as crowds flee Pakistan flood town
By Jill McGivering
BBC News, Shahdadkot

Tens of thousands of people are fleeing their homes in Sindh Province as the floodwaters engulf yet more villages and towns.

The water is already finding weak points in the embankment which protects Shahdadkot, a city of about half a million inhabitants in this southern region.

The floodwater has been closing in on Shahdadkot for days.

On Sunday, it engulfed dozens of villages. About a hundred people were marooned, stranded on rooftops in the fast-rising tide.

Full article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11054758



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