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mike r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 12:48 PM
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Cuba to eliminate 500,000 state jobs, spur private sector
Source: MSNBC

Cuba will let more than 500,000 state employees go by next March and try to move most to non-state jobs in the biggest shift to the private sector since the 1960s, the official Cuban labor federation said Monday.

The layoffs will start immediately and run through the first half of next year, according to an announcement Monday by the nearly 3 million-strong Cuban Workers Confederation — the only labor union the government tolerates.

The statement said eventually more than a million jobs would be cut and, due to efforts to increase efficiency in the state sector, there would be few new state sector openings.

More than 85 percent of the Cuban labor force, or over 5 million people, worked for the state at the close of 2009, according to the government.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39152912/ns/world_news-americas/
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:55 PM
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1. And not one Cuban will lose their health care or home or educational opportunity for their kids!
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 01:55 PM by Billy Burnett
The national union will retrain workers for more functional jobs as well as the Cuban National Assembly modifying private business law to allow for more private employment.

In Cuba during the economic downturn there will be more schools built, more local clinics, more Drs trained and at work, more nurses, more teachers, more infrastructure built. Too bad that the US CEO class have stolen the wealth of the nation, so not much of this will happen in the USA.

Cubans have much experience with building out their infrastructure due to the "special period" after their prime trading partner went belly up (the USSR). Many Latin American nations are seeking Cuba's advice and support for their own transformation to a less energy consumtive nation/society.







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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:20 AM
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18. Not for much longer if they turn to the darkside of capitalism.
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 02:21 AM by KillCapitalism
If privatization of healthcare, housing, and free post-secondary education end there, they will become saddled with many of the problems we have now. High unemployment, wild boom and bust cycles in the economy, homelessness, people dying due to lack of health insurance, banks & credit card companies bilking consumers, etc. As bad as things might be right now in Cuba they are better off keeping the system they have rather than adopting the system we have. At least the poorest in Cuba still have housing & healthcare. The poorest here (homeless) have nothing at all.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:57 PM
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2. About time they start moving away from the communist model...
Glad to see this finally happening. Maybe Cuba won't remain a basket case economy for too much longer afterall.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:46 PM
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3. Um...WHO has a "basketcase" economy?
In which country does half the population not have health care?

In which country has unemployment reached Great Depression levels?

Which country is giving $60 BILLION in military aid to the sheiks of araby, while school systems at home lay off teachers, can't afford books and are shortening school hours?

In which country does EVERYONE receive a FREE education to the limit of their ability, including graduate school and medical school?

Which country has millions of people with mental problems, physical addictions, post-traumatic stress syndrome--including military veterans--living ON THE STREETS?

Which country has African-American ghettoes with 40% to 50% unemployment?

In which country are African-Americans 50% of the prison population--and often in jail for long periods for minor offenses like drug possession, and/for being unable to hire a good lawyer?

In which country do the elderly poor have to choose between purchasing high-priced medications and putting food on the table?

In which country are middle class, as well as poor, people being thrown out of their homes by banksters?

Which country has provided employment, medicare care, education, food and homes to all of their people for the last 50 years, even in times of hardship, such as the collapse of their main trading partner?

Which country is crippled by massively expensive, unjust, heinous war, tax cuts for the rich, immense thievery and fraud in the banking and finance industries, and is trillions of dollars in debt?

Which country allowed Savings & Loan institutions to loot the country's small savers and investors?

Which country has allowed financial sharks to loot workers' pension funds?

Which country is losing its "commons"--common infrastructure--parks, ports, utilities, town squares, et al--and common good public programs like Medicare and Social Security--to corporate privatization and greed?

Which country has even lost the transparency of its vote counting system to corporate privation and corporate control, with 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines?

Cuba doesn't have a "basketcase" economy--much as the U.S. government has tried to make it so, with its cruel and universally reviled embargo. WE are the ones with a "basketcase" economy!

It is furthermore arguable that Cuba has a MUCH MORE democratic system than we do. Here, the Supreme Court just turned corporate millions loose upon our elections. Here, you have to have a million dollars, in hand, even to think of running for Congress. Here, we have NO RIGHT to review the 'TRADE SECRET' code--now owned largely by ONE, private, far-rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S, which just bought out Diebold--with which our votes are 'counted.' Here, the will of the people is routinely ignored in the halls of power. Here, private multinational corporations and war profiteers own the broadcast and print media, and control the public discussion in their interest. The Cuban people have better public discussions of policy than we do, more public participation and a better election system! They may have a sort of monarch who holds things together, in peoples' minds--the guardian of the revolution. But these highly educated people--the Cuban people--obviously have FAR MORE say that we do on education, medical care, food distribution, jobs, land reform, organic agriculture, protection of natural areas, public vs. private corporate power, preventing homelessness, care for the poor and the elderly, and a host of other matters that directly affect the lives of everyone in the country. Is that not democracy? And what do we have here? Can it even be called democracy any more?

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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:11 PM
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5. Cuba is a pathetically unproducing nation.
The sign of a communist country (e.g., Cuba, North Korea) is rationing food.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:22 PM
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6. Cuba doesn't grow food crops. They grow coffee, tobacco, and sugar cane.
These are all worth more on the international market than grain crops or pulses. It's that whole comparative-advantage international trade thing.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:07 AM
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17. How many island populations do you know which are entirely self-sustaining?
They are dealing with a far different set of circumstances, after all, are they not?

Most people recognize this element instinctively.

They are also doing far better for their people than a lot of Latin American capitalistic countries, with FAR longer life expectancies, far lower infant mortality, highest level of literacy, etc., etc., etc.

The former head of the World Bank, Wolfensohn said the rest of the world's developing countries could learn from Cuba.
Learn from Cuba, Says World Bank
By Jim Lobe, IPS, 1 May 2001

WASHINGTON, Apr 30 (IPS) - World Bank President James Wolfensohn Monday extolled the Communist government of President Fidel Castro for doing "a great job" in providing for the social welfare of the Cuban people.

His remarks followed Sunday's publication of the Bank's 2001 edition of 'World Development Indicators' (WDI), which showed Cuba as topping virtually all other poor countries in health and education statistics. It also showed that Havana has actually improved its performance in both areas despite the continuation of the US trade embargo against it and the end of Soviet aid and subsidies for the Caribbean island more than ten years ago.

"Cuba has done a great job on education and health," Wolfensohn told reporters at the conclusion of the annual spring meetings of the Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). "They have done a good job, and it does not embarrass me to admit it."

His remarks reflect a growing appreciation in the Bank for Cuba's social record, despite recognition that Havana's economic policies are virtually the antithesis of the "Washington Consensus", the neo-liberal orthodoxy that has dominated the Bank's policy advice and its controversial structural adjustment programmes (SAPs) for most of the last 20 years. Some senior Bank officers, however, go so far as to suggest that other developing countries should take a very close look at Cuba's performance.
More:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/185.html

But then, what would he know?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 01:20 AM
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27. Actually, the Cuban people have become the most experienced
organic agriculturists on Earth.

They already grow over 60 percent of the food they need - organically -- NO PETROLEUM, NO POISONS IN THEIR FOOD -- no long supply lines. Soon they'll reach their goal of 100% of their food needs.

In this age of Peak Oil, Catastrophic Global Climate Destabilization and end-stage capitalism, Cuba is poised to be the ONLY sustainable country on Earth.

The sure signs of a capitalist country are legions of poor, malnourished and desperate people -- like here in the belly of the beast.

I'm certain that most Cubans would not trade their quality of life for the USAmerikan Empire's dysfunctional system.
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Dona Ferentez Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:45 PM
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13. +1
So true.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 08:35 AM
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22. Hey, consider starting a thread with this post! nt
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:47 PM
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4. That would take the US to drop the extra territorial sanctions.
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 03:48 PM by Billy Burnett
Imagine Canada's economy if it were under the duress of an extraterritorial embargo (like Helms-Burton) as well as being travel banned to Americans.

Imagine the difference that not having 50+ years of useless US sanctions would have had on Cuba's economy (not to mention the ample possibilities to influence change for Cuba's politics).

To ignore this is ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:33 PM
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7. Cuba to cut one million public sector jobs
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 03:38 PM by Turborama
Source: BBC

Cuba has announced radical plans to lay off huge numbers of state employees, to help revive the communist country's struggling economy.

The Cuban labour federation said more than a million workers would lose their jobs - half of them by March next year.

Those laid off will be encouraged to become self-employed or join new private enterprises, on which some of the current restrictions will be eased.

It is the biggest shift to the private sector since the revolution in 1959.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11291267
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:33 PM
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8. So when does the Armada head to Florida?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:33 PM
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9. Not enough information.
But it is wrong to simply "lay off" employees from public enterprises. First, what becomes of the enterprises? Shut down? Fine, but then the labor must be consciously routed to more socially-useful production.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:33 PM
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10. There are more details in the main article.
Not a great deal of detail, but some of your questions are answered.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:36 AM
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19. All Things Considered did a report on some aestheticians in Cuba
They are among the public sector employees being laid off (in their case, the salons are being converted to co-ops). Not sure how much of this is enterprises being turned into co-ops vs. actually being shut down.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:33 PM
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11. Huh? You think the Cuban government worries about socially uselful production?
How about just feeding the population without having to resort to rationing?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:33 PM
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12. The population has proper nutrition.
The allocation system helps to ensure that, though it is far from ideal. It is my hope that Cuba's leadership (at all levels) will concern themselves with the social value of each enterprise, and allocate resources on that basis. I believe there is nothing wrong with making use of both market forces and economic planning.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 06:27 PM
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14. Thank you! Cuba provides an important model to study for FREE medical care and FREE education
through college and graduate school, and most especially, through medical school. These things give Cubans great advantages, not only as to personal quality of life in a decent society, but also as to Cuba transitioning to a mixed socialist/fair market economy. They have a highly educated population. We have a population with an alarming number of people who think that the universe was literally created in 7 days!

Cuba's social programs may be uniquely suited to Cuba, as it has developed over the last 50 years--after one of the most egregious, brutal, criminal fascist dictatorships in Latin America, and decades of the most egregious neglect, oppression and powerlessness of the poor majority. But you really gotta wonder about corporate control here and people control there, as to education and health care. Are the advantages of free medical care and free education to the limit of each students' ability not blatantly obvious for ANY society? We pour TRILLIONS into wars--most recently, a corporate resource war--plus trillions into the pockets of the rich, of multinational corporations, of big private contractors and in all sorts of giveaways to the rich elite, while our poor suffer ill health and truncated hopes and our middle class is increasingly unable to find work, start small businesses, or even hang onto their homes, with two of the major squeezes on them being health care and education. How much entreprenurial genius has been destroyed here? How much inventiveness? How much creativity?

Why does everything have to be black and white, good vs evil, communist vs capitalist? Nothing is ever black and white, except evils like unjust war and torture. The capitalist system has failed in many ways--one of the chief ones being that the "marketplace" has been rendered neither free nor fair, nor competitive. It is dominated by multinational monopolies and conglomerates and truly criminal "organized money" (as FDR called it). Outrageous greed by the few is the "rule", and in this country we have lost the tempering hand of the public, through government regulation, to balance the needs of society--and in addition, currently, the essential need to save Planet Earth, our only home--with the human desire and need for variety and trade. "Trickle down" has NOT OCCURRED, and, when it seemed like it was occurring, as during the Clinton years, it was based on the utter destruction of the economies of other countries like Argentina, Jamaica, Venezuela, Bolivia, Mexico and many more. Then we had the criminals of the Bush Junta outright steal even that limited prosperity here in the U.S. and crash the"first world" economy. The rich got richer and the poor got screwed.

It's time to ask ourselves what to keep and what to throw away, of this capitalist system, and what might work and what wouldn't, of socialist systems--including our own "New Deal" program after the first great, capitalist depression. It is certainly something to think about, that spreading the wealth is better than hoarding the wealth, that many small enterprises are better than big, powerful monopolies, that government intervention on behalf of the public MUST temper the greedbag madhouses of the rich such as "Wall Street," and that a BALANCE between the public good and private greed MUST be maintained if you want to live in a DECENT society.

The story of socialism vs capitalism is NOT black and white. There are desirable qualities--qualities that contribute to human happiness--in both systems. Just consider Social Security--before it was looted (Bush Junta borrowing against it), and was providing equitable dividends (keeping up with inflation). You work all your life and pay into the system, and your employer matches your contribution. At the end of your work life, you receive a pension by which you are able to continue putting food on the table, buying what you need, and having a decent life in your retirement years. Until the Bush Junta, nobody could loot this system. It paid for itself. It was overseen by the government, in everyone's interest. No private greedbag could "sell the company" and steal the pension fund, or use the pension fund as collateral for leveraged loans--for becoming a billionaire at the expense of the workers, as your ponzi scheme collapses and you abscond with your "golden parachutes." The one thing working people could count on was Social Security--which was called COMMUNIST when it was first proposed.

It is utterly stupid to dis a country like Cuba, whose government has survived for 50 years, serving the basic needs of the people--needs that have been grossly neglected here--out of some kneejerk response schooled by the corpo-fascist press and the U.S. corporate-run government, which have NOT SERVED US WELL.

It's time for a complete re-thinking of this corpo-fascist ideology that we have all had pounded into our heads. We think Cuba has propaganda? Gawd. WE are the most propagandized people on earth. We are so propagandized that our people have docilely accepted 'TRADE SECRET,' corporate-controlled vote counting!

We think Cuba abuses prisoners? WHO has one of the the worst prisons on earth on the other end of the island of Cuba? WHO has torturing prisoners as a government POLICY? WHO has the biggest prison population on earth, with half the prisoners serving long sentences for minor crimes?

We think Cubans are not free? Ask some homeless person in any city in the United States where is the closest place where he or she can SIT DOWN? Homeless, ragged, hungry, tired, sick, feeling hopelessness and despair--and you can't even SIT DOWN. You were born here. You are a citizen. You may even be a veteran. And you can't sit down anywhere, and you are not wanted, and you are shunted from place to place, and told to "get out!," and sometimes beaten up or thrown in jail, and even if you are lucky enough to get to an overcrowded, underfunded, increasingly unavailable shelter for the night, you are locked out during the day, and have to wander around because there is no place that you are permitted to SIT DOWN--because you have NOTHING--no resources, no uplift, no "golden parachute" for you, though you may have never hurt anybody in your entire life, never stolen anything, let alone somebody else's pension fund--you are nothing and nobody, citizen though you are, human being though you are and you cannot even sit on a public bench. Is that "freedom"?

That's the specter that the capitalist system wants us all to behold and learn from. If you have no money, you are not even a human being, let alone a citizen of this country. Money = freedom. And for rejecting that concept, and creating a society in which everybody is a human being, and everyone has a right to a decent life, I salute the Cuban people! Their system may not be perfect, but it is NOT dismissable and it DOES have many ideas that we should be considering.

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ProgressiveMajority Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 05:28 PM
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25. Well Said, but it's risky to name Cuba
I would instead propose Costa Rica as a nation we could model ourselves after. Costa Rica has basically the same life expectancy as Cuba and likewise a very good health care system, but without the problematic reputation that Cuba has.

Furthermore there's some evidence that Cuba does not allow free travel by its doctors. The ones allowed to travel have families that are not allowed to travel with them (effectively meaning they cannot leave without abandoning their family). Does being a human being mean the right to free travel? If so, than Cuba is lacking in a major area when it comes to treating people as human beings.

Cuba has many accomplishments, but there are many other nations with similar accomplishments that we as liberals ought to point to instead. Whatever the reality of the situation, people think Cubans don't have political freedom. I agree with you, I don't think our democracy is all its cracked up to be when Diebold is counting all the votes however.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 01:24 AM
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29. Right, they should use the rationing system used in the USAmerikan Empire
Edited on Thu Sep-16-10 01:25 AM by ProudDad
Just let 'em starve if they can't PAY!

It's the American Way...



Hey, robcon, isn't it time to pull your cabeza out of your fundament and do some study about something before you flap your gums any more?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:35 PM
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15. "Public sector" includes hairdressers
The US could use a lot more government intervention in the economy. Cuba could probably use a little less.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 01:23 AM
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28. Private but NOT Corporate...
Don't expect the myth of "corporate personhood" to afflict Cuba any time soon (or EVER)...

Don't expect any fucking Coca-Cola Corporation, NewsCorp or Dow Chemical company to be created there (thank Dog!).

They're not stupid or ignorant enough to allow that to happen. They're Socialists, not idiots.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:00 AM
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16. Cuba to lay off 500,000 state workers by mid-2011
Cuba to lay off 500,000 state workers by mid-2011
01:29 PM

Cuba plans to fire at least half a million state workers by mid-2011 and authorize more spots in private enterprise to absorb them, according to the island's nation's official labor union.

The 3 million-strong Cuban Workers Confederation says the layoffs will start immediately, the Associated Press reports.

It says the government will soften the blow by authorizing simultaneous increases in job opportunities in the non-state sector, allowing more Cubans to become self-employed, to form cooperatives run by employees rather than government bureaucrats and to increase private control of state land and infrastructure through long-term leases.

Update at 1:45 p.m. ET: The Cuban online TV website Solvision, quoting Radio Havana, say the federation is telling workers that the job cutbacks will "impact all sectors of Cuban economic life." The labor union says the moves were "necessary changes ahead of the economic crisis and overall international situation."

More:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/cuba-to-lay-off-500000-state-workers-by-mid-2011/1
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:56 AM
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20. So, what is it. 1,000,000 or 500,000?
:shrug:

It's quite a big difference in numbers.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 06:42 AM
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21. 500,000 by March but by end of 2011 the total will be 1,000,000
from what I've read. :hi:
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 10:28 AM
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23. Thanks for helping clarify
I was finding it all a bit confusing. The BBC even say "more than a million workers" in their article, so the whole thing seems to be a bit vague with no real substance, from what I've read so far.

:hi:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:27 PM
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24. These times ARE tough.
When the socialists start laying people off, what's a worker to do?

WE NEED TO INVENT A NEW ECONOMIC MODEL FOR THE 21ST CENTURY.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 01:27 AM
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30. Combination of Socialism and private enterprise
Edited on Thu Sep-16-10 01:28 AM by ProudDad
but NOT Capitalism or corporatism...

The Cuban People have been doing just that since 1959 under the harshest conditions imaginable thanks to the Great Satan of the North...
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 05:46 PM
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26. Just repairing '57 Chevies could make someone a fortune!!
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