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The Hitman Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:02 PM
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Ted Strickland: Democrats Suffering From 'Intellectual Elitism'
Source: Huffington Post

Democrats suffer from an "intellectual elitism" that prevents them from adopting the type of populist tone to relate to voters, he said. And while President Obama had made a series of monumental legislative advancements -- any one of which would have been "historic" in its own right -- he fails to recognize that he is being "slapped in the face" by his Republican critics.

"I think there is a hesitancy to talk using populist language," the Ohio Democrat said in a sit-down interview with The Huffington Post. "I think it has to do with a sort of intellectual elitism that considers that kind of talk is somehow lacking in sophistication. I'm not sure where it comes from. But I think it's there. There's an unwillingness to draw a line in the sand."

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"I mean, if we can't win that argument we might as well just fold up," he said. "These people are saying we are going to insist on tax cuts for the richest people in the country and we don't care if they are paid for, and we don't think it is a problem if it contributes to the deficit, but we are not going to vote to extend unemployment benefits to working people if they aren't paid for because they contribute to the deficit. I mean, what is wrong with that? How can it be more clear?"

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/exclusive-ted-strickland-_n_790489.html



I don't really agree with his phrasing, but his overall message is clear: Democrats need to grow a spine and figure out how to sell their message.

Obama needs to wake up and see that the GOP is out to destroy him, not govern the country.

I love this message. I know a lot of people have a lot of problems with Obama right now. But this is the message we should be sending. Not the "oh Obama is just like a republican" BS that is killing this site. Not the "oh there's no way I can vote for him."

Let's remember its OUR PARTY in control. We need to get out there and amplify the message people like Strickland are saying.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:04 PM
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1. Ted Strickland is a good guy.
I respect what he has to say...he knows Ohio voters!

:dem:
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:45 PM
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12. Absolutely!
I adore Ted Strickland. He loves American and Ohio.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:05 PM
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2. Wish he could've done more of this in his own campaign.
The repukes drowned him out with their flood of CofC $$$.

He needed to get tough much sooner than he did.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:14 PM
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3. I hope he runs for his old congressional seat
he should be in Washington
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:33 AM
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24. Ted's done
He said he wont run for anything ever. He is not young.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:24 PM
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4. Our Wall Street connections prevent populism. Business might
get upset.
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Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:30 PM
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6. Yesterday I called the WH
and said - Obama is not getting it - does he not understand that the republics hate him, that they want him to fail? It is time for him to stand as a man. I love Obama but I am also getting frustrated.
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:29 PM
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5. Strickland is right. But it isn't going to happen.
It just isn't. However you want to phrase/label it, the Democrats have not been strong enough for us in the face of wretched character and belligerant obstructionism from the Republicans.

And it damned sad.

With all of the intelligence of Obama that gave us huge potential and immense hope, he just cannot grasp that the Republicans hate his guts and want nothing to do with ANYTHING (especially if it would benefit mainstream liberals and Democrats and yeah, even their own blindly *red* constituents) that he wants to accomplish.

It goes beyond the usual political wars, it is profoundly ugly. And the Republicans just don't CARE how bad they look. They thrive on the everything despicable.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:42 PM
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29. They hate him because he is a black man
The pukes base is made up of some violent dangerous RACISTS

guys like McConnell appeal to this SCUM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:32 PM
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7. the dem party has a populist message?
hee-hee.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:41 PM
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10. Used to was.
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zigzagzed Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:35 PM
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8. Why not do both?
I agree with Gov. Strickland that we tend to shun populism as being unsophisticated, but why do progressives have to choose one way over the other? Can't we engage conservatives in a two-pronged attack using both a populist tone and a sophisticated intellectualism? The opposition is adept at guiding the debate using sound bites and talking points, and we should not shy away from adopting similar tactics. We need the jingoes and the slogans and the catchy nicknames that get their base fired up. We can guide the debate back onto our terms using populist rhetoric, and then finish them off using the intellectual arguments.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:44 PM
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11. Have you read Thom Hartmann's "Cracking the Code"?
He provides some very interesting insights in this area.
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zigzagzed Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:49 PM
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14. It looks promising
I have not, but the description at Amazon.com looks intriguing. I ought to add it to my Christmas list.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:52 PM
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20. I think it's really very good.
He takes the work on narrative a step or 2 beyond Lakoff, in my opinion.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:51 PM
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16. Yep exactly. I can argue politics with anybody............
and hold my own most of the time, even in regard to the subtlties of same. But I can also sum MOST things up in a one sentence populist sentiment. IT AIN'T THAT HARD TO DO!

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about governing. That IS difficult, ESPECIALLY with the obstructionist Republican Party and the spineless "centrists". But part of governing is putting out your message in a way that the average guy can understand it.

But then, hell, I'm not even sure I'm a Dem anymore, in spite of 40+ years of voting for them. I barely recognize the Party anymore.
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zigzagzed Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:01 PM
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17. Exactly!
The serious process of governing requires gravitas that the opposition does not have. But a vigorous public debate among those of us who aren't elected officials can only be helped by progressive talking points, or at the very least fact-based talking points to challenge their demonstrably false assertions (like "birther" statements about President Obama's birth certificate).
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:41 PM
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9. If a few hundred hate radio hosts were
um...relieved of their posts, our message would resonate better.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:48 PM
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13. You nailed it. Mostly.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 08:02 PM by No Elephants
Yep, Dems in D.C. do need to (a) Democrat Up and (b) sell their message.

However, do you seriously believe Pres. Obama is unaware of the fact that Republicans from Limbaugh to McConnell have been saying for two solid years that their number 1 goal is his failure? Geesh, if I ever thought he were that out of touch, I'd be terrified.

I also disagree with your assessment of what is killing this site (if indeed it is dying). And, I believe the owner of the site and his designees are the only ones who should be telling us what we "have to" stop posting here.

Welcome to DU.


P.S. Oops, sorry. I see you've already been here a year. The 214 posts threw me off.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:49 PM
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15. "intellectual elitism"
Yeah.... we think the Earth is older than 6000 years, climate change is real, and we know the difference between a communist and a Nazi. It's all just soooo lofty!
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The Hitman Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:26 PM
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18. Exactly
Thats why I disagreed with his specific phrasing.

But I think his message is right. We're not populist enough when we totally have a mandate to do so.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:37 AM
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27. I happen to believe our president was born in the USA -- Call me elite as well
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:36 PM
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19. I think it's corporate $$$$$$$$$$$$ .....

This past election cost $4 billion -- with $7 going to Republicans for every

$1 going to Democrats --

If they can't figure out that they're even being left behind in the game of

bribery and corruption, it's about more than "spine" -- it's immense stupidity!

Remember when Pelosi just before the eleciton was developing a plan to attack

Repugs and their corporate money as having "poo on their shoe" -- !!! :rofl:

Even if it hadn't been so idiotic, what would the response be -- that Dems don't

take money from corporations?

Keep in mind also that corporate-press gets 80% of the campaign money for ads.

Whose side does that put them on?


Sadly, what we're actually talking about are all of our candidates being pre-bribed

and pre-owned by corporations.

Anyone want to call that democracy?


:eyes:


And, as for Obama, I think the HC sell out was enough for most of us here.




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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:39 PM
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21. "I mean, what is wrong with that?"
....yes, what is wrong with Democrats?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:01 PM
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22. Whenever I hear 'Intellectual Elitism' it often seems like code for having the gall to
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 11:03 PM by cstanleytech
think for yourself and form your own opinions and not just think the approved for thoughts of the GOP and what its major pr firm (Fox News) tell you to think or what your opinion should be.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:08 AM
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23. Strickland sold out to the real estate developers, Big Ag and the gun industry--hardly a populist
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 06:31 AM by Kolesar
...message system.

edit: the Democratic canvas in my county was managed badly. That was Strickland's responsibility and that is why he lost.
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FinGovi Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:41 AM
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25. And just how many
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 07:43 AM by FinGovi
Repukes are intellectual elites? Let's consider the works of Leo Strauss. Do you know his theories? Prob'ly not. He is the intellectual elitist par excellence. He believed the populace was to be deceived and "governed over" by the rich, whose interests should lead the nation; like the situation in which you now find yourselves. Ever read the PNAC manifesto? Do you understand the concept of New World Order? Sounds like the intellectual elitism in the Repuke party is hidden. Whereas Democrats value ideas and as such try to engage in intelligent debate about concepts.Congressman Alan Grayson was more than a populist in his campaign. Strickland does not know what he is saying. Repuke populism is a sham. Tea Party, et al.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:28 AM
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26. He misses that the two parties don't start with the same communications platform
I know that sounds like an excuse, but failing to notice that they have a very robust echo chamber where their decided upon tautologies are repeated from all sides - the radio, the tv, their magazines and their blogs. Then as they gain credence with the entire right and parts of the middle, who think the repetition from many sources means it is true, you start to see ALL the more centrist cable news people during the day using their phrases.

One example is the current tax cut issue. The polls have always shown that far under 50% care if the top marginal rate is made permanent. But, listening in the last few days, the phrases used on TV all take Republican terminology - first saying everyone should get a tax cut - playing to a sense of "fairness" - ignoring that everyone does benefit from changing the lower brackets. This has now morphed to McConnell's language that no one should see a tax increase. (This treats the non-permanent tax cuts as the de facto rates - converting the argument from not writing legislation to make never affordable tax cuts permanent to the idea that the Democrats are writing legislation that raises taxes.)

The media has also repeated ad nauseum the Republican lie that many affected at that level are really small businesses. Worse, their language is so imprecise that many think it applies to any business with revenues over $250,000 - which is not the case. In fact, the bulk of businesses caught here, probably would not be considered "small" and never should have been allowed to file as just - ie the Chicago Tribune and Bechtel.

One example where this worked was that in a Boston Globe article on a Chamber of Commerce speech, the random business person aske about the question argued that extending the tax cut would stimulate the economy, but she added it was too complex for her to understand. (What is not really complex to understand, is that the CBO and other legitimate studies project it among the least likely actions to do this.)

While it is important how Democrats speak to the country, I would suggest looking at the same recriminations that were discussed in 2005 in the wake of losing in 2004. Remember Frank and his book on Kansas and Lakoff's "Don't think of an elephant"? Both books did have interesting insight, but because they ignored that 2004 (and possibly 2000) were not fair tests of the two messages. Given the 2004 results, it is clear that even making it a clean election with adequate voting machines, would have led to a President Kerry.

Now, go beyond that and imagine a media that fairly reported the campaign. That immediately reviewed the official Navy records that Kerry put on his web site in April 2004 (that many RW posters STILL think were never released) and demanded the liars supply some back up, given that it was the official Navy record they were challenging. But, worse than even that, they did not cover our nominee's designated major speeches to the degree that they covered an inconsequential Palin fund raiser two weeks after the election. They also repeated many Republican versions of his position rather than his position - later claiming he changed when he gave the position he always had.

Now, think of the charge of elitism, which is why I went back to 2004. The supposedly neutral media repeated the garbage that Bush was just the average guy next door, while Kerry was a stiff elitist born to privilege, who never has interacted with the "people". Now, the fact is that Bush's family was from the same elite class and he grew up far wealthier. In addition, where Kerry, did not use his strings (he dated Jackie Kennedy's step sister and roomed with the nephew of the two Bundys in the Kennedy/LBJ administrations) to avoid service. When there, the same NAVY records, available on Kerry's web site, show a man described as generating very unusual personal loyalty in the men reporting to him - in all his assignments. So, much that an early supervisor gave him additional responsibility informally counseling sailors needing someone to talk to. There was a lot in that record, written 30 years before, that answered so many of the personal smears - as well as the liars. Bush, on the other hand, in his "champagne" NG unit was essentially protected by his silver spoon when he did not do things required and lost flying privileges.

Skipping forward to 2008 and now, with Obama being called "elitist", the charge is exposed for what it is - anti-intellectualism. Where Kerry was from a wonderful intact family, that did have ties to the NE elite, Obama was the son of an incredibly brilliant woman, who really made a difference in a third world country and a brilliant father he did not grow up with. He was brought up by a single mother supported by her wonderful parents. Defining him as elite is done because of things that he gained through merit - going to Columbia and Harvard Law and becoming a Harvard Law Review editor. He is elite - only in the best sense of the word.

Both Kerry and Obama do not insult their listeners by offering mere slogan and simple (but attractive) lies as solutions. But, it was partly the media declaring that what they (especially Kerry) said was too complicated for real folks to understand. Both actually are quite skilled at explaining their proposals - without the complex language that they easily used in the Senate where its precision was needed. But, they can't compete in simplicity with the simple sentences and thought of a Bush or Palin. The problem is a media that pretends not to understand them - and doesn't call the Republicans on the fact that what they are saying is wrong, doesn't make sense, or ignores reality.

In Obama, we have a very extroverted, charming, very likable man with extraordinary eloquence, and seriousness of purpose. (Other than extroverted - which he isn't, Kerry also has these characteristics.) In addition, both started as activists, not as typical politicians. It is natural for both to reach out to encourage activism among the population. That should be what the country wants.

My concern with arguing for popularism is that it often can be a tool for a demagogue - think Sarah Palin or the tea party. It is the very use of intellectual honesty constraining the most enthusiastic speeches given by an Obama or a Kerry that keep them from becoming demagogues using their natural charisma and eloquence. Without that integrity, either could have {/i] every bit as much a man of the people as Bush or Palin - and been more inspiring doing it.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:14 PM
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30. well said...eom
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:18 PM
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28. Not Sure
about the "intellectual elitism" charge, but I agree Dems need to get out there and make their point (was that elitist, to use two forms of "there"?), but I don't think the reason they don't is intellectual elitism. I think it's "reality elitism." Living in the reality-based community, it's kinda hard to "get" the non-reality-based community. I mean, *I* never would have thought that fans of draft-dodger Bush, even though they were incensed by draft-dodger Clinton, would than use Kerry's military service AGAINST HIM. Who can foresee this stuff? And voters voting against their clear interest? Who would predict this stuff? While I would not be opposed to a Dem information campaign that assumes that most voters are brain dead, I don't think it's elitism to assume a few functioning brain cells. Erroneous...maybe. Elitist, no.

Second thought - maybe it is elitism to assume a minimal level of brain activity. In which case we're all doomed, so it doesn't much matter.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:20 PM
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31. They won't go with that message because it would cost them Corporate $$$.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:34 PM
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32. Hey, we can't help it if we're smarter than Republicans. nt.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:31 PM
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33. "unwillingness to draw a line in the sand" doesn't involve elitism, it's the CAMPAIGN DOUGHNATIONS,
stupid! Dems are getting dough-nations from bigwig fatcats, too, just like repukes. This puts Dems in the awkward position of being dependent on fatcat dough while trying to be or at least appear populist. Doesn't work. The doughboys need to get back to the basics and support those who supported them. But it's a vicious cycle. No wonder being in Washington changes so many people who come in with good intentions, and end up being just like repukes.
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