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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:55 PM Original message |
Senators Unveil anti-Wikilleaks Law |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. And how dare they hinder the Empire's war efforts! |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I wonder if people understand how bad it makes them look to |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:27 PM Original message |
you don't think the U.S. is an empire? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. ...and really accurate. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. What and give you something else to gripe about? |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. what's your definition of 'empire'? |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Empire |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Those aren't the only definitions of empire and the difference between empire and superpower |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Okay Jaxx, in terms you defined, please explain the following: |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #43 |
108. And troops in Germany, S. Korea, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. We are "empire" internationally and, in theory, a "democracy within a republic" domestically. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. No, the rest of them R in denial. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Oh, so the definition of 'empire' is if a lot of people think it's an empire. |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. Barack, is that you?? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
58. "Empire' does not mean citizens have no legal riights. Even citizens of Rome under the Caesars had |
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Ruperto31 (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
106. Yes they did. St. Paul got to have his head cut off.... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
83. So you buy all the happy-crappy bullshit we learned in school. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
99. You think the Constitution is still in effect? |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. you're suggesting we aren't emprical? Or just that we shouldn't say so? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Just that we shouldn't say so. At least not if a Democrat is in the White House. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Whether you like it or not, it surely is an empire. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. jaxx, have you read any of Chalmers Johnson's books? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. LOL |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. or how bad it makes them look to be willfully blind to what their country is up to? |
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Ruperto31 (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
82. 700 military bases around the world is not evidence of an empire? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
94. I wonder if people understand how bad it makes this country look when it maintains an empire? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
101. Empires are malicious, they invade other people's countries and kill |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. and to think about Valeria Plame in their attacks on wikileaks now |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
100. never mind that, they're trying to undo the First Amendment, crab-walking |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
102. Imperialism : belief in empire-building |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. lol... pathetic |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. Valerie Plame sez |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. lol |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. This kneejerk tendency to punish people is why ex post facto laws and |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Well, since their knee jerk punishment of ACORN was declared unconstitutional, they probably learned |
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marylanddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. Lieberman... |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. He's Pathetic |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
60. Joe Lieberman was an early DLCer, like Clintons, Rahm, Gore, etc. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. Is it also against the law to reveal the name of CIA undercover officers? |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. +1 |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Always has been. Didn't you get the memo? We're looking forward. nt |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. That is cute. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. How would such a law apply to foreigners living in foreign lands? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Yep. nt |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. Espionage, drug smuggling, and other laws... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
69. Yes, but saying laws exist is different from saying they are valid laws. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
66. Causing damage in and/or to the U.S. is a reason to legislate. Whether |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
70. Yep. The arrogance is astounding/ n/t |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. Ha! All this would do is keep U.S. citizens in the dark, nothing more. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. Being Picky with your title- it is a bill, not a law |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
67. It's not Joanne's title. Per LBN rules, an OP MUST use the source's headline, word for word. |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. But it is perfectly |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
68. Technically, yes. Our Constitution empowers Congress to do that. The only |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
14. Can Lieberman just have a fucking heart attack and die? Our country......... |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
16. Sorry, the Senate isn't available to deal with this right now. Nothing will be passed until the |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. Call me |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. That's right. Julian has to go to the back of a long, long, line. |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yeah, and bye the way ask Valerie Plame for a comment |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. wish they were as OUTRAGED about what is ON THE PAPERS |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Yep. The outrage is the peasants are finding out what their 'representatives' have been up to. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. Outraged? Republicans? Who went to Spain to bully Spain into leaving Bushco alone? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
26. I haven't seen names of any military or intelligence community informants. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 06:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
77. Assange asked to discuss names with the U.S. The U.S. declined. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. Is this a joke? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Adultery AND getting his parents to make "gifts" to the his blackmailer's family. |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
37. We in CT will do everything possible to replace LIEberman in 2012! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
65. Good luck. Both major parties seem to want him right where he is. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
41. Unconstitutional |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yep, even a conservative USSC couldn't let this one stand. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
73. Meh. I agree, but would not put anything past this Court. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
71. It's an ex post facto law only as to punishing under it violations that occurred before passage. |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
45. John Ensign. Is this the same John Ensign... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. LOL! Good catch. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Yep, that's the one. Mr. Conservative Morality. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
75. He's a good son, though. Please see Reply 64. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
47. Bet these Corporate WHORES can pass this bill through quickly. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
48. What's the point? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Shhhhh, you are interfering with the posturing of the buffoons. nt |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. delete. wrong place |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #48 |
76. Kabuki and pandering is the point. Many in the U.S. are outraged over this, thanks in no small part |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
81. This bill is aimed squarely at Assange and publishers |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. I know that... |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. How? I don't see how they can now or how to can rewrite things to ever go after him |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
50. Fuck that! Give me my fucking unemployment benefits you pigs!! nt |
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Volaris (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
51. "...and Assange is not a journalist.” |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
74. He is a publisher of news much as the NYT when it published the Pentagon Papers. |
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Volaris (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. He is a publisher of news much as the NYT when it published the Pentagon Papers.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. Assange has been a member of the Australian journalists union for years. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
55. Fascism stalks the land. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
56. Question is do we have someone in our party with the balls to block this... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:43 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. Dunno. No clue what male reproductive organs have to do with blocking a law. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
85. NO. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:17 AM Response to Original message |
61. Which does what exactly considering that Wikileaks is not a US organisation? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #61 |
78. Does the bill confine itself to U.S. citizens, human or corporate? If not, what problem do you see |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. What problem do I see? That it's not only not done by US citizens... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
79. OY. My apologies to everyone on this thread. SCOTUS in NYT v. U.S. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
80. This and banning Sharia law will teach them furreners we're mighty |
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lanlady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
86. where were these a**holes |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #86 |
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harvey007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
92. The government wants to put its hands down your pants |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
93. "illegal to publish" |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
95. This bill would set a pattern for other countries to make laws for |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
97. Pathetic, this is why we've had lackluster govt for decades. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
98. Remind me again |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
103. God forbid Top Secret Gossip filter through the world. |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
104. The Supreme Soviet couldn't have said it better. n/t |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
105. Isn't that already against the law? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
107. How about a Sunshine Act instead? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
109. Ooh, look! It's bi-partisan. |
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