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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:05 PM
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Swedish Prosecutor's Website Under Cyber Attack
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 11:06 PM by Hissyspit
Source: AFP

Swedish Prosecutor’s Website Under Cyber Attack

By Agence France-Presse
Tuesday, December 7th, 2010 -- 9:24 pm

WASHINGTON — The website of the Swedish prosecutor's office pursuing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange came under cyber attack on Tuesday in the latest salvo by his online supporters.

PandaLabs, the malware detection laboratory for computer security firm Panda Security, said the prosecutor's website, aklagare.se, was brought down by members of the "cyber hacktivist" group called "Anonymous."

Attempts by AFP to connect to the aklagare.se website around 5:00 pm (2200 GMT) were unsuccessful.

The attack on the Swedish prosecutor's website came as Assange was refused bail on Tuesday by a British judge over charges of sex crimes in Sweden.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/swedish-prosecutors-website-cyber-attack/
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:06 PM
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1. I didn't see that one coming!! n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:07 PM
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2. that will show them.. Now I can't look at their website
to see documents on their charging jesus with rape (2 counts?)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:09 PM
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4. "Charging Jesus with Rape"
That's pathetic.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:14 PM
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8. hillarious. unless you are the TWO women
accusing our savior with rape, then probably not funny. What would be funnier is if he had hep c.

this is not 4chan, you are non anonymous. grow up, this guys is just fencing documents manning stole. even others are stating he is making money from it.

cryptome being one of them.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:34 PM
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17. Since when is rape when they say yes??
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. when you lie about using a jimmy hat
and they then wonder if you gave them aids. since when is smearing people who accuse a rape cool? Not even to trial yet and people know every thing about the case.

Wonder how that is possible, could the prosecutor be LEAKING info, fucking classic.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:02 AM
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24. Still not rape
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. By your book, what costs 300US in the netherlands gets you life
in Singapore. First rule of international travel, when in rome..
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
62. How is it that everyone but you can smell a setup a mile away?
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 06:55 PM by bitchkitty
Lots of dirt on his accusers:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Sex-accusers-boasted-about-their-conquest-of-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange/articleshow/7068149.cms">Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-has-cia-ties">Assange Rape Accuser has CIA Ties

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/08/1962779/accuser-in-wikileaks-saga-has.html">|WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's accuser has ties to Cuban dissidents

Or maybe you can smell the setup, you know it's a setup and you're just doing what you do, Pavulon.

edit - fixed link

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. Go to church, same reason that works, you people want a hero
want to believe in the cause. Dirt on people who accuse rape, nice.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. It's pretty obvious that the accusations are bullshit.
Obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than 80, or to anyone not being deliberately obtuse.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #68
74. You missed one ...
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 08:10 AM by Nihil
> It's pretty obvious that the accusations are bullshit.
> Obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than 80, or to anyone not being
> deliberately obtuse.

Ah ... ok ... apparently the one you missed (about being paid to ignore
the obvious) might be on thin ice with regards to the DU rules so I'd
better not mention it either.

:hi:
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. No words needed, brother! ;) n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #17
31. Assange or his spokespeople say they said yes, but we, again,
don't know that for a fact. That's just one side of the story.

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #17
55. when they say stop and he doesn't
When he has sex with someone who isn't concious. When he ignores stipulations to the sex that were the reason for the consent in the first place.

You do understand that someone consenting to sex doesn't mean that anything goes even when they tell you to stop, ignores any stipulations and have sex with you anyway or has sex with you when you aren't concious is a problem?

Those are the allegations. You can either believe them or not or remain neutral in this case. What you can't do is believe that none of those situations constitute a sex crime regardless of who it is.


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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. Well said. n/t
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. Why do you think it was just manning?
What if it was more then just him?

Maybe there is more leaks happening as we type.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Hey did you hear about that nice man at mi6 found stuffed in his luggage
I wonder if he had a leak? Maybe, but I would bet that they will not be another manning. pollards come in spurts.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. We maybe coming to a time when the world is full of people in their carry on.
Could be interesting.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:00 AM
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #23
34. Franchising and going global?
We will have thousands of little manning jrs world wide. Not bad. Should we bother to tell the media or should we wait to see the look on their faces when they find out they have been replaced?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:03 AM
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #20
33. Pavulon, we really don't know any of the facts in these cases.
We hear Assange's point of view on the allged rapes, but not really the women's points of view. We hear something about Manning being the leaker on the leaks of the cables, but we don't hear Manning's side of the story, and we don't know whether there might be many leakers or just one.

We just do not have any facts at on so many of these issues. How can we really take sides.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #33
38. Agree. I find the practice of attacking any rape victim distasteful
if the victim is not truthful they should be prosecuted. Until then he must show up. Manning confessed a good bit of his activity online.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #38
47. Yes, even if it is a bogus charge, Assange will probably have to
answer the rape claim. And frankly, we don't know until the facts are in and the charges are made public (if they ever are. I don't know Swedish law on this.) what is going on. I will hold my judgment until I know more.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #8
26. It would be funny if he had Hepatitis C ????
That is an awful thing to say considering that you are wanting to believe that two women were 'raped' by him.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. since this is now bizzaro du where rape victims are CIA plants
and a guy damaging diplomatic channels whilst skimming you guys is cool, why not.

and no I hope he did not give anyone hep c, for real. If he raped them he should be tried, if not he should be dealt with for the rest of the damage he has caused (along with his conspirators).

you realize we have to pay to fix what these idiots screwed up?
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #2
69. This obvious troll would be best ignored!!! N/T
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:09 PM
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3. For us who are not terribly puter literate
how, generally speaking, does one "bring down"/attack a site????
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. It is basically a question of overload, what is being done here.
No real "hacking" involved, just bringing enough traffic to bear on a particular site. Any particular machine has performance limits, and they can be overwhelmed. But it's intermittent, it makes you unreliable but not permanently unreachable.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Hell of an effective way to "protest",
I have been wondering why this tool was not used by now for other issues, too.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. It's been around, it is not usually seen in the MSM.
We are only hearing about this because of the context, I think.

And it can get you in a boatload of trouble.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. because its illegal, like breaking windows in the starbucks
the people who do these things are assholes causing sound and fury but no real impact to the cause.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Exactly.
Like children slashing tires. They think they're oh so clever but achieve nothing.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #14
43. Smashing windows causes physical damage, requiring replacement.
DDoS does not. As soon as the attack stops, everything is back to normal.

This is more like 400 people showing up at a Starbucks, getting in line, and when they finally get to the counter, unable to make up their mind, they go to the back of the line.

Here, have some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit-in

Maybe you don't think that had any effect.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #43
51. More like they get in line never intending to place an order. n/t
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #51
72. Taking up a stool at a lunch counter....
Without getting food.

In this case, the analogy holds.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #43
54. I'm not conviced that this is analogous to an actual physical sit-in.
Those people caused actual physical inconvenience. They were sometimes arrested, and they made statements to the press. They did things that were difficult for the press to ignore. Temporarily making a Swedish prosecutor's website unavailable just isn't analogous.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:40 AM
Response to Reply #54
71. A prosecutor virtual sit-in had little effect. On that we agree.
Visa.com and Mastercard.com, a little bit more.

Likewise, a sit-on at an unknown diner was just folks being silly... but when they went for Woolworths, the game changed.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #43
67. Lets see if they start messing with systems that handle PCI transactions
are you comparing a ddos to a sit in at a lunch counter. How about sql injections, certificate hacks, and the long list of CVEs associated with backbone telecom systems. Like the Cisco 12xxx class routers.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:44 AM
Response to Reply #67
73. Some push the boundaries, others do not.
Grouping them together is like complaining that "all hippies smell funny".
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. It's amazing the things these guys can do.
I'm in awe of hackers, geeks and in general anyone who knows more than I do about 'puters. On/Off I'm good :evilgrin:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Its like being in awe of a mechanic who pours clorox in your gas tank
someone has knowledge you don't, its not magic. Whatever you do for a living would probably mystify these people, especially if it required reading and history.

rating hacks from elegant to kid in the basement this one is popping pimples.

DDOS is is like everyone asking you a question at once. servers just stop answering, they cant keep up.

elegance is the hack you never see, it just happens and you go on living, not knowing you were impacted. Those generally involve money, people who do this for a living probably dont like all the attention on their profession right now.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #11
44. +1
I'm sure Pavulon already knows this term, but this is "script kiddie" level, meaning that no real intellect is involved. It's mostly push-button, or single line, work.

"ab -n 256,000 -c 512 http://example.com/" is enough to bring down many small sites, replicated across many globally distributed systems, it's much harder to firewall/stop, without something like apf/bfd in the way (or other tool to throttle down requests).

(A translation of the above: use the apache benchmark tool (ab), to request 256,000 copies (-n) of the web page, emulating 512 different computers (-c), at once).
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:12 PM
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5. I would like it better if they managed to get information.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. would you like it if someone pulled your IP off of the systems hosting this site
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 11:28 PM by Pavulon
tracked it back to your isp and then determined which modem you connect with. Checked your connection to see if your router has the default password set. if so let themselves in, if not crack it, who looks at logs on their home router, not most people. then planted code to split every keystroke and screen capture to another computer they control.

Then that person could dump you entire life into public.

Name,SSN, salary, bank balances, private correspondence, your company's correspondence (spouse included), every person in your address book, they could turn on your web cams or make the microphone hot on your machine and listen in.

They can conduct business in your name, including illegal activity such and downloading illegal material or posting in jihadi forums.
Then assange the hero hacker is not so cool..

Its all nifty until someone does it to you, without bothering with a warrant.

edit: this information is published in every white hat forum. this is not an "attack" or instructions to attack.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. You do notice that most people are ignoring you, don't you?
I don't know if that's because most people have you on ignore, or what. But it's interesting to watch.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. your hero meme needs an update.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 11:56 PM by Pavulon
a prison rape for the rapist theme would be awesome. that or boxxy befitting the giant troll / camwhore assange is.

I's sure you have seen this.
http://cryptome.org/0001/wikileaks-mess.htm
http://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-rape.htm
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #19
27. Yes, I've seen it.
Yawn. People not getting along. Surprise. People who know him don't think he's a rapist. Yeah.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:23 AM
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #19
48. boxxy on DU?
Well, that was a shock.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #19
58. you certainly are waiting for all the facts prior to making nay judgments.
Yes.... it is rather obvious you certainly are waiting for all the facts prior to making any judgments.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #13
37. Pavulon, in one post you assume that Bradley Manning provided
all these leaks. In the next, you assume that Assange is the master hacker who got the information. Face it. You don't know, and I don't know who did what. So far, no one knows the facts.

People do the hacking and violations of privacy you describe. It is horrible. But if the people who do those things are not associated with the government or the very rich or powerful, they get caught, the law takes its course and, if the evidence is sufficient, they go to jail.

What is bothering people is not that hackers who violate other people's privacy and do cruel things get caught and go to jail. It is that if you are rich enough and powerful enough and hack and violate other people's privacy and do cruel things, you do not get caught, you do not get accused, and you do not go to jail.

That is why people are delighting in Assange's pranks.

It is because people are frustrated with this sense that justice in our country, in our time is not blind, that it does not treat us equally.

The banks get by with horrible crimes far, far beyond the Wikileaks. Our leaders rendition people and torture and kill indiscriminately, and there is no way to stop them. They never face justice.

That is why people attach themselves to this Robin Hood figure Assange. It isn't that they really want to know what is in the Wikileaks so much. It isn't even that anyone thinks that the leaks are such a great idea.

It is just sort of a desperate pleasure in the idea that someone finally turned the tables on our deeply unjust system.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. Manning confessed to taking it. He is the plumber you left in your house
who stole your shit, after a few jobs when you trusted him. Assange was given the goods, he is fencing them. I see the hero seeking behavior and find it odd.

If he just stuck to banks and did not blow up diplomatic channels it would have been more fun.

Personally I would have enjoyed seeing a major bank get stomped.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #40
46. A fence receives and sells stolen goods for profit.
I have not heard that Assange is charging for access to the Wikileaks. I don't think the is a fence because he is not selling this stuff.

Also, I believe that Assange has also disclosed documents from other countries and governments. The only difference between him and other reporters who get leaks from government sources that are probably supposed to be secret is that he is doing it in a huge amount.

This is the first I have heard that Bradley Manning admitted to providing the current Wikileaks material. I have not been clear about whether he was really the source for the earlier leaks.

Assange announced, I believe that he said that he has information from a bank and possibly from Russia.

I think that the old ideas about secrecy probably won't work in this information age. Assange is just doing what someone would be doing sooner or later.

It's sort of like electric lights. Once it was possible for Tesla to light up the Chicago World Fair, there was no turning back. And now we have terrible light pollution at night. But you can't stop the progress. In this day and age of I-Phones and Facebook (both of which I detest), Assange is just par for the course.

I miss the good old soap my mom and grandmother used to make -- and the homemade bread too to say nothing of the home-made jam and other canned goodies. But those days are gone. So is privacy I'm afraid.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. "I don't think the is a fence because he is not selling this stuff."
So, aside from a grammar problem (and I might be misreading you), you should know that Wikileaks is trying to set up a model where early access to data is sold.

http://stefanmey.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/leak-o-nomy-the-economy-of-wikileaks/
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
57. Newspapers sell news. Assange, as far as I know, sells this as news
if at all. That comes under protected speech and the First Amendment. As I have pointed out before, Assange is not an American citizen and is not subject to our laws. As far as I know, there is no international treaty or law requiring one country to protect the secrets of another.

In fact, such a law would never be agreed to because many countries if not all countries snoop on other countries.

Reporters usually get paid for their work, and those who cover politics report on leaks.

This situation is different because so much stuff was leaked.

I am assuming that the records were not hacked by someone in the US or in a country that has laws prohibiting hacking in general. That remains, however, a possibility. If that proves to be the case then the issue becomes who hacked the files.

I'm wondering whether the leaking of these files is actually something that happened in the recent past or whether it has been going on for some years. We really don't know enough to do more than just guess.

Lieberman may know more than we do, but I doubt it.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #37
70. "Crackpot Realism"

The term now for the convoluted rationalizations required by those leading the political systems that "officially" and serially perpetrate war crimes, kidnap and murder with impunity, and relentlessly oppress their own citizens, etc. is CRACKPOT REALISM. (Coined term, apparently created by C. Wright Mills)

I just stumbled over this term myself and have found it very useful in our current circumstances.

Unfortunately...

Google it please, you won't regret it, I guarantee it!
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:19 AM
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45. Most home routers are busybox, which is annoying to rootkit.
It's the whole tftp problem, writ large... you have to be in tftp range, which, with most systems, requires a physical line by default. It's easier to go upstream, and just tap the lines at an ISP, DC, MAE (etc),

Oh, and the most annoying part about total sniffer attacks is the sheer amount of useless shit you have to sift through to get anything interesting. That's why you don't bother duplicating all traffic, you only sniff/collect things that might be useful.

(I used to do this for a living at the 100Gb/s scale, so, I know this topic. Based on 100Gb/s, you can guess the field.)
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:19 PM
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61. Yep, things that run JUNOS
tend to be syslogged and people may notice port mirrors, pcap processes, or other means of redirecting a stream of traffic. Again, point was no one likes it when they are the victim.

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:16 PM
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9. Yep, It won't load. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:33 AM
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30. Wow, our first offical global cyber war has started!
Who will win? My money is on the hackers.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:43 AM
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32. what is the prize? (nt)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:59 AM
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35. They haven't said yet. Maybe his ass in a sling vs. his ass in a lazy boy?
No doubt the winner will flex their muscles and yell, "I'm number ONE!"
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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:44 AM
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42. You're the prize, surprise.
Wow. What a lose/lose situation.
Time for your rabies shot.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:01 AM
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50. "what is the prize"? Freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.
Which side are you on, boys, which side are you on...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:32 AM
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53. Freedom and Liberty or Secrecy and Slavery.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:23 PM
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59. Ask Guttenburg...
Ask Guttenburg... :shrug:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:41 PM
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63. uhh you compare a rapist to guttenburg, vomit in my mouth a bit
this guys was banging groupies and may have mistaken his general groupie meat puppets from prior occasion with a real women. but hey donate to his legal defense..
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:46 PM
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65. Ahh... see, you keep using Rapist as though you know.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 06:49 PM by LanternWaste
Bless you little heart. You're still simply guessing and prognosticating and mislabeling to make an argument. But those don't really make an argument do they? They simply illustrate banality of thought, but not arguments.

I suppose you've found your new Satan much as though you keep telling everyone who disagrees with you they've found their new Savior....

How's your Satan hanging, bro? have fun! :hi:

ed: sp
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:57 PM
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66. Hey look at this to see how the desperate glom
onto anything that they think represents their view. Charge was upgraded to forcible rape.


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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:30 AM
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52. The data wars, begun they have.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:09 AM
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39. Terrific. Flex your people muscles! Thank you Anonymous n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:29 AM
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41. K&R n/t
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:08 AM
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56. Hmmm ...
Seeing as how "Ignored" has ~50% of the replies on this thread alone,
it looks like he's *really* going for that Christmas bonus!

:evilgrin:
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