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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 04:36 PM
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US legislator rejects state recognition
Source: Agence France-Presse

US legislator rejects state recognition
December 11, 2010

WASHINGTON: A senior US legislator has sharply condemned moves by Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay to recognise an independent Palestinian state as “horrible” but ruled out diplomatic retaliation.

“It’s horrible, it’s a terrible precedent,” Republican Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the incoming House Foreign Affairs Committee chair, told AFP in a wide-ranging interview in her office overlooking the US Capitol.

“It sends the wrong message to the Palestinian (National) Authority, because it tells them that they don’t need to reform,” make peace with Israel and recognise its right to exist as “a democratic Jewish state,” or tackle extremists, she said.

But Ros-Lehtinen, who will have broad powers to shape the US Congress’s role in US foreign policy come January, brushed aside talk of possible retaliation from Washington despite its strong opposition to the diplomatic move.




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Ileana, with Honduran illegal coup President Roberto Micheletti
within several days of the armed, military violent kidnapping of
the country's elected President, Manuel Zelaya, as they ushered
in an unbroken pattern of "government" violent oppression of ALL
possible forms of dissent, murdering union workers, journalists,
teachers, political figures, human rights workers & other citizens.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 04:40 PM
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1. "I want to stay home, Michael, I want to take care of you."
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 04:53 PM
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3. is that bush and jeb??
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 04:57 PM
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4. Yep.
:)
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:07 PM
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6. he sure likes to handle the women
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:09 PM
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8. Definitely! Ileana Ros-Lehtinen is a Miami area Cuban "exile" and Jeb was the manager
of her Congressional campaign in the beginning.

Jeb's father is connected with Cuban "exiles" back to the time well before the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by US forces. Jeb's grandfather, Preston, owned property in Cuba before the Revolution. Jeb's father donated two of his own boats to the invasion of Cuba.

He worked, as Director of the CIA with MANY Cuban "exiles," many of whom were terrorists who worked against Cuba's government in their effort to overthrow the people's government which overthrew THEM.

ALL the Bushes are connected to these guys to the point during one of George W. Bush's speeches made in Miami, there was one of their terrorists sitting on stage right behind him.

http://img.scoop.co.nz.nyud.net:8090/stories/images/0504/0a76c746f0dbfe02af00.jpeg

Sixto Reinaldo Aquit Manrique (aka, El Chino Aquit), sharing
the platform with Bush in Miami, May 20, 2002.The UN Rapporteur
cited Aquit firing a 50 caliber machine gun at a Cypriot tanker in
Cuban waters in his 1994 annual report on human rights in Cuba.

February 4, 2003
Terrorists Are On the Run
Some Away from Bush, Others Toward His Nurturing Arms
by SAUL LANDAU

~snip~
his brother Jeb, the Florida Governor and his Attorney General John Ashcroft, have made a point of not only harboring, but actually coddling in 1950 Joe McCarthy falsely accused the State Department of "coddling communists" terrorists. On May 20, 2002, Bush specifically invited several famous notorious? terrorists to hear his speech in Miami.

Orlando Bosch at first received an invitation to sit on the platform. Later, when one of his advisers discovered that Bosch had earned the FBI's label of the Western Hemisphere's most dangerous terrorist, the seating arrangement changed and Bosch got dis-invited off the platform and moved into the audience. Bosch claimed credit in an interview with the Miami New Times (see Oct. 4, 2001 for further reference) for helping to blow up a Cuban commercial airliner over Barbados in October 1976. The police caught him after he fired a bazooka at a Polish ship in the Miami Harbor in 1967. This former pediatrician has cared little about children's health, but found his calling in violence and spent much of his adult life after the triumph of the Cuban Revolution in January 1959 practicing that vocation. Observers noted the Bush family attachment to violent Cubans when President George Bush I (41), with help from Otto Reich, his then Ambassador to Venezuela, overruled strong advice from the FBI and INS and admitted Orlando Bosch into the United States.

Similarly, just before 9/11, Bush (43) also disregarded strong opinions from the FBI and INS and ordered the freeing from INS deportation custody of Virgilio Paz and Jose Dionisio Suarez. Both men had received twelve year sentences for confessing to conspiring with Chilean Secret Police officials to assassinate Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt in a September 1976 car-bombing in Washington DC.

But a photograph showed a lesser terrorist actually sharing the platform with President Bush. According to a former, federal law enforcement official, the Prez must have told the Secret Service to find a seat for "that good old boy."

This referred to Sixto Reinaldo Aquit Manrique (aka El Chino Aquit). The Secret Service apparently seated Aquit, arrested in Florida in 1994, a few rows behind the President as he spoke.

More:
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg102743.html


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 04:51 PM
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2. Fine by me. What are the borders?
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:01 PM
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5. the day is coming
when nobody is going to give a shit what the US has to say about anything
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:08 PM
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7. It couldn't come soon enough (no text)
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:27 PM
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9. There's certainly historical precedent for recognising a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza
See the Atlantic Charter and subsequent international law on the principle of self-determination of peoples as a basis for statehood; of course the argument of self-determination works both ways in this argument as the state of Israel presently controls the territory though doesn't have a majority of population in the disputed areas (hence the settlements, whose long-term goal is to eliminate any Palestinian/Arab majority and expunge Palestinian claims through the operation of a sort of manifest destiny).

There's also the question of whether Israel can logically be both Jewish and democratic; presuming that a state can have a legally defined religious and ethnic character whilst also remaining democratic with respect to the rights of minority populations within its borders seems inconsistent in principle. Does the state of Israel have a right to exist? Unquestionably. Do the Palestinians have the right to statehood in Palestinian territories? Again the answer has to be 'unquestionably'. Palestinian recognition of Israel is essential to the process, but so too is Israel recognising the rights of the Palestinian/Arab minority within its own borders (and things like the recently enacted Israeli loyalty oath introduced by Avigdor Lieberman, requiring Israeli citizens to pledge their allegiance to Israel as a Jewish state, help the situation no more than does the refusal of Hamas to recognise Israel).
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Starckers Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:42 PM
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10. Rights
And what about protecting the rights of minorities in the
Palestinian State?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:53 PM
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11. Moot at present as there is no Palestinian state as recognised in international law.
And a legitimate Palestinian state, to receive recognition, would have to be based on democratic principles which include recognition of the rights of any Jewish minority in Palestinian territory. And barring an equitable solution between both sides on that issue, the right of return for Palestinians mirroring the right of return for Jews to Israel (which is something else that's a sticking point for Israel).
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 08:49 PM
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12. There are states, and there are Bantustans
Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 08:50 PM by cprise
I wouldn't want to recognize the creation of the latter, either. If I were a leader for a country like Brazil, I also wouldn't want to contribute to expectations for different ethnic groups carving out their own territories.

AFAIK, the one-state solution is probably the only one that can work in the long term.
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