Poll: Obama's losing support; Romney would beat him now

[Newsjock]

Source: McClatchy Newspapers

President Barack Obama's approval ratings have sunk to the lowest level of his presidency, so low that he'd lose the White House to Republican Mitt Romney if the election were held today, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

... Overall, just 42 percent of registered voters approve of how he's doing his job, while 50 percent disapprove.

Obama's standing among Democrats dropped from a month ago, with his approval rating falling to 74 percent from 83 percent, and his disapproval rating almost doubling, from 11 percent to 21 percent.

Among liberals, his approval rating dropped from 78 percent to 69 percent and his disapproval rating jumped from 14 percent to 22 percent.

... The president's continued failure to rally independents could ruin his bid for re-election. A hypothetical 2012 matchup showed him getting the support of 44 percent of registered voters and Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, getting 46 percent.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/10/105105/poll-obamas-losing-support-romney.html

[Tesha]

1. Stick a fork in him; he's done. (NT)

[24601]

36. In politics, one month is an eternity and the initial primaries still are

more than a year out.

[Tesha]

134. It doesn't matter one bit how he does in any potential primaries; he'll be destroyed in the general.

He is stunningly unpopular here in New Hampshire; he'll lose
by historic numbers. Our party just went from *MAJORITY
STATUS* in all branches of government to having less than
25% representation in any branch except the Governor's
chair, where a fake Democrat still resides. That's right:
hatred of Obama and the Democrats just installed absolutely
*VETO-PROOF* Republican majorities in both houses of
our state government.

There are far more anti-Obama bumper stickers than there
were *EVER* anti-Bush stickers.

A lot of DUers don't seem to have any concept of just
how bad it is out there in the real world for Obama. We
have two choices and they're both bad: run him in 2012
and *SURELY* lose or run another Democrat and most
likely lose; we have a few months to decide

Tesha

[24601]

151. "Yabuts" are out there and are going to be driving things. What's

a "yabut you say? It goes like this.

"He'll be destroyed in the general...." Yeah, but, (Yabut) that presumes he stays on this same course and doesn't adjust strategies. That presumption is invalid.

I'll go waaaayyyy out on a limb and say the only thing isn't the economy but "It's the 2nd term stupid",, pretty much no matter what it takes. If going on Oprah and having Sarah Palin do the dominatrix thing (complete with leather & whip) would guarantee a 2nd term, his people would be booking the slot even as we write & read this. There is nobody (or no principle) who gets a pass from being thrown under the bus if it furthers the 2nd term chances.

[Ruperto31]

160. I'm not too crazy about Mittens, either. Just saying. nt

[dennis4868]

41. First of all...

Other polls have him with higher approval ratings...can't get to excited over one poll...also, I remember after Reagans mid term election he was at 40% approval and the polls had John Glenn easily beating Reagan in a two way race... We all know what happened in 1984. So don't get too excited about a repun win in 2012.

[pnwmom]

42. Were you alive during the Clinton era? Two years is an eternity in politics. n/t

[Creative]

104. After watching the Clinton press conference yesterday, I wish that he was

eligible to challenge Obama.

[pnwmom]

112. Democrats were absolutely furious with him -- with good reason --

for the way he handled the Monica Lewinsky thing. His first couple years also were viewed as not very productive, and he lost a lot of support in Congress. None of that mattered, however, by the time the next campaign came along -- he was reelected easily.

[Creative]

123. Everyone (except immature males) was furious with him for the Lewinsky thing...

There was no excuse for it and it will forever be a blemish on his legacy. However, he has a thorough understanding of US and international economics and political strategies.

Comparing him to Obama is like comparing Mike Tyson to Pee Wee Herman.

[Creative]

125. .

[pnwmom]

130. You don't remember his first two years then.

He wasn't perceived to be strong at all and his popularity seriously declined.

[Creative]

147. The primary reason his popularity declined because he listened to the gun grabbers and

passed the so-called assault weapons ban.

In case you haven't noticed, politicians have shied away from that issue heretofore.

[saigon68]

154. He ran against a walking Corpse

[JoFerret]

156. Hillary is eligible.

...but all the hope-and-changers who are now abandoning Obama would have a right wing induced misogynist hissy fit. (as per 2008).

Look - Obama is still better than any GOP and that will be true in 2012. Even if Mike Bloomberg cakewalks.

It's just that he isn't what we really need.
And if all those who voted for him in 2008 had turned out last November we would be in much better shape. But - as predicted - the hope-and-changers faded with the breeze.

[Tesha]

136. Yeah, the tail end of the Clinton Presidency worked out so well for America.

He passed his wonderfully-Republican program for trade,
banking deregulation, telecommunication deregulation,
and the like and then made it ABSOLUTELY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE
for a Democrat to win in 2000.

Well done, Clinton!

Yes, I definitely want to see a repeat of the tail end of the
Clinton Presidency (not!).

Tesha

[wisteria]

54. You seem a little too eager to believe the worse and a questionable poll. n/t

[watrwefitinfor]

74. Questionable Poll?

Indeed.

And Whoa! Look at this. Tucked away at the bottom of the article:

The poll found that voters are inclined to blame congressional Democrats and Republicans more than the president if the deal to extend tax reductions falls apart and taxes go up on Jan. 1.

Wonder why that finding from the SAME POLL isn't being tossed around here.

Wat

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

2. Polls don't vote and Romney's not running now.

[Davis_X_Machina]

3. This is excellent news...

...bringing the unstoppable Kucinich-Franken-Sanders-Grayson-Weiner-Warren-Feingold Mosler-Krugman-who-is-it-today? real progressive juggernaut just a little bit closer to its inevitable electoral triumph.

[unkachuck]

28. not so fast....

....I'm a-thinkin' by 2012 Obama and corporate America will have determined that he should be every voters candidate....with a supreme court decision in hand and a change in the law, they will bring forth the new corporate, 'ubiquitous candidate'....

....with corporate billions he'll beat, 'Kucinich-Franken-Sanders-Grayson-Weiner-Warren-Feingold Mosler-Krugman' in the Dem primary then easily crossover and beat romney, palin, suckabee, newty in the puke primary fulfilling one of corporate Americas greatest ambitions, a simple, cost-effective, privatized, general election....

....hundreds of millions of corporate dollars to be saved....think about it, why continue to waste the corporate-value on sham elections?

[wisteria]

56. LOL n/t

[CakeGrrl]

4. "If the election were held today"

Newsflash: It wasn't.

[BlueDemKev]

5. And Mondale was 10 pts Ahead of Reagan in Dec. 1982.....

...and I think we all know how the '84 election turned out.

[nevergiveup]

17. Yep, and Dukakis was up on Bush senior by 17 points.

[UrbScotty]

37. And McCain was up by 10 two months before the 2008 election!

[Hawkowl]

144. So Democrats can't close the deal?

Is that what you guys are saying? That Democrats blow big poll leads? Because if that's what you are saying I agree with you, because it appears that Obama is blowing the biggest lead of good will in 40 years.

Obama needs to support the people who will fight for him to the death, i.e; solid rank and file Democratic Party members. He doesn't seem to be doing that by cutting back room deals with Rethuglicans.

If he continues on this path, he will get his ass kicked so hard, it'll make Mondale look like FDR.

[Arkana]

146. Yeah, cause Obama was elected the President of the People Who Agree With Him

and NOT the President of the United States!

[keopeli]

58. It's hard to believe those statistics today, but very true and very relevant. ty

[jaxx]

6. Don't worry, his rating will come back up......it always does.

President Obama will be reelected.

[sirthomas66]

24. If the SS Tax Holiday Passes, he will not even come close to

getting re-elected.

[pnwmom]

44. Why? That was originally a liberal idea. n/t

[laughingliberal]

52. In whose world was a payroll tax holiday a liberal idea? Pubbies have been pushing it for years. nm

[pnwmom]

60. Rethugs wanted the employer part of the payroll tax reduced.

The cut proposed here is to the employee paid tax -- which has previously been advocated by liberals.

[laughingliberal]

61. Oh, look! Here's the ever so liberal Freedom Works calling for a holiday for employess in 2002:

Date Published: December 29, 2002

Publication: Arkansas Democrat-Gazette

WASHINGTON - A lot of politicians are starting to worry about the little guy when it comes to cutting taxes.
A fresh round of tax cuts to stimulate the economy is expected to be one of the first tasks when the 108th Congress convenes in January.
A growing number of voices on both the right and the left are insisting that the package include a reduction in payroll taxes, such as those taken out of every paycheck to finance Social Security and Medicare.
Most American workers pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes.
And that's especially true for low-income workers.
In fact, about 30 percent of the work force pays payroll taxes but ends up owing no income taxes, Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation reported. Because they pay little or no income tax, these same workers were left out of the $ 1.3 trillion tax cut package passed last year.
That's why advocates contend a payroll-tax reduction would be the most effective measure Congress could pass to stimulate the economy: The middle- and lower-income workers who would benefit the most would be the most likely to put their money back into the economy through spending.

http://www.freedomworks.org/news/support-for-cutting-payroll-tax-broadens-0

Unless we have really gone through the looking glass, I don't think Freedom Works could be called liberal. And no matter how much they act like this is 'concern' for the working poor, the objective is to undermine SS and move towards benefit cuts and privatization.

[danbee46]

79. Not entirely...

"The cut proposed here is to the employee paid tax -- which has previously been advocated by liberals."

Maybe so. However, Gibbs reported that it was the GOP who suggested the "tax holiday" and Obama agreed.

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[sirthomas66]

82. That may be true. It is becoming progressively harder to understand

anything. I sometimes wonder if my mind is going. Why would someone make up such a vicious lie?

[Egnever]

161. Your post does nothing to refute the post you are responding to.

it also breaks the rules in calling the poster a "vicious lie" er

[NorthCarolina]

107. Bold statement spoken as if fact. I'm sure you have a link to back it up?

Please do so.

[Tesha]

137. By whom? Which constituency besides the DLC will vote for him?

Trade unionists?
Gays?
Women?
Economic liberals?
The unemployed?
Soldiers still stuck in the wars?
Youth?
Hispanics?
Everyone who got called "Fucking retarded" by his CoS?

Republicans????

Tesha

[fascisthunter]

7. it's the fault of the left

didn't ya know....

[ProudDad]

109. Yep...

We're so powerful...

And Soooooooooooooooo good at n-dimensional chess that we've fooled Obama into doing EVERYTHING wrong...

Onward to a Trotskyite House and Senate!!!

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[snagglepuss]

14. Nailed it. Welcome.

:hi:

[Hardrada]

15. Hear! Hear!

[Smarmie Doofus]

19. COMPLETELY and totally. Stick around, whydoncha. n/t

[hay rick]

22. Welcome to DU.

I don't think the "independents" wanted a sharp departure from GWB so much as they distrusted McCain after his catastrophic choice of Palin as his running mate. His fumbling response to Lehman brothers contrasted with Obama's smooth assurance, solidified the misgivings. My take on self-described independents is that the majority of them default to the Republican Party but avoid the label because they don't want to defend the Palins, O'Donnells, Bachmans, DeMints, Vitters, etc.

[No Elephants]

106. The majority of registered voters in Mass are registered Indie, even though Indies

can't vote in our primaries. Until 2004, my husband and I were among them, even though neither of us ever voted Republicon. He may still be registered Indie

The majority of voters in Mass. do not default Pub.

[hay rick]

122. My experience.

Among my acquaintances (I'm not running a scientific poll here) saying they are independent means they are voting for the Republican candidate more times than not. I live in the equally blue state of New Jersey.

Your independents cozied up to Scott Brown last time and mine went for Chris Christie. Bad and worse.

[TeaBagsAreForCups]

25. Well stated; this establishes the beginning....

... of the story that places the "progressive" President - that many of us faithfully and earnestly supported beginning some two years before his inauguration - as nothing more than one of the sideline cast on the podium the last night of the Democratic convention on September 6, 2012.

Move out of the way, President - just as you did today when you walked from the White House podium leaving President Clinton to try and explain away the mess you have created. Created by virtue of your feckless and impotent politics and governance - where, if you even ever begin to engage on the battlefield, you enter with a "compromise" battle strategy - bending over and grabbing your heels with only the modest hope that the vile and evil GOP wingnuts will at least hand you some Vaseline.

[dennis4868]

46. What battlefield...

Again, people here seem to think there is a way to get 60 votes in the senate for a tax bill that includes tax increases for the wealthy? Tell ne how you get to 60 and you win the prize.... There is no battlefield.... Dud u not understand the hostage thing? People here do not understand senate procedures!

[ProudDad]

111. 51 votes to change the rules in the Senate...

then 51 votes to pass ANYTHING...

The way the filibuster is being used as a club is a recent development and could be voted OUT OF EXISTENCE if there were sufficient spine in the Democratic Caucus in the Senate:
http://oregoncatalyst.com/index.php?archives/3721-Senator-Merkley-starts-petition-to-change-filibusters.html&print=1

Stop spreading the 60 vote Big Lie!

Thanks :hi:

[killbotfactory]

116. What are the names of the 51 senators who support this?

[ProudDad]

119. Right here

YOU look 'em up...

If Anonymous hasn't taken the site down...

http://www.senate.gov/

[totodeinhere]

120. No. If the GOP takes control of the Senate in 2012, which is possible,

we will need that same filibuster to stop them from causing a lot of damage.

[Tesha]

138. And we'll use just as well as we used it in the past.

(I.e., hardly at all and to very little effect. Hence Alito, Roberts,
USA-PATRIOT Acts I and II, etc.)

Tesha

[emilyg]

29. Welcome to DU.

[dennis4868]

43. That Bush on steroids meme is complete...

and utter bullshit....yes, HCR is a Bush thing, unemployment benefits us s Bush thing, the stimulus is a Bush thing, protecting the tax rates for the middle class and lowest tax bracket is a Bush thing, financial reform and holding credit card companies accountable is a Bush thing, equal pay for women is a Bush thing, znd the 2 supreme court justices Obama chose is a Bush thing?

[Nite Owl]

48. Welcome to DU!

I especially agree with your statement about Obama coming across as a wimp. Even when people don't fully agree with a President on a position they like to see a strong leader. It's always seemed like a test that Americans have for their leaders. If they can't stand up for anything, if won't fight for what they think is right (what he campaigned on and was elected on) then how are they going to stand up for me? Wimpiness just isn't American. So the base feels betrayed and lied to, the moderate middle doesn't see anyone with any kind of strong beliefs and the right feels free to walk all over him.
The realization that this isn't who we elected is dawning on a lot of people now so these numbers could be difficult to improve.

[wisteria]

57. I don't see things as you do. I don't see anything in Pres. Obama that suggests he is a Republican.

Maybe he is just tired of the far left always thinking they are right about everything and not even considering they just might be wrong once in a while. And then, not hearing him out and even considering his side of things. A president has to represent all the people-at least a good one should- not just his base. Pres. Obama has weighed all matters of importance carefully before making decisions. I think this recent decision on the taxes is just another example of this.

[Hoyt]

59. That's pretty close to the way I see it too.

[No Elephants]

110. "Far left" wants government to own and run the means of production-and pretty

much everything else.

Calling any Democrat "far left" indiscriminately used to be an exclusively Rethug lie. Sad to see Dems following their lead.

[ProudDad]

113. Incorrect... The "Far Left"

wants We the People to own and run the means of production...

Instead of a few capitalists...

Instead of the current "government" primarily made up of employees of Vampire Capitalism...

We'd rather see democratically elected representatives of the People...of, from and for the Workers...

[StarsInHerHair]

150. yeah and Obama is NOT representing ALL the people, he's for the top 2%

far too much of the time.

[bluestateguy]

9. And beats Palin by 12 and beats Hucklebee by 4

Thank you for the context, much appreciated.

[ProudDad]

114. Only beats fuckin' hucklebee by 4????

:rofl:

Geez, how the mighty have fallen...

Through his own efforts...

[babylonsister]

10. Someone sounds really bored @ McClatchy. nt

[w4rma]

11. And the message is quit acting like a DLC wimp. Continue and they'll drop further. (nt)

[elocs]

12. When push comes to shove the religious evangelical right will not vote for Romney.

He belongs to a cult in their eyes and by their religious teachings. That doesn't mean they would vote for Obama, they just wouldn't vote for Romney.

The Republicans need all the votes from their own base that they can get exactly the same way as the Democrats need their base. Republicans seem to have a better understanding of that though.

[Rozlee]

26. The teabaggers wouldn't let him get to first base to begin with

Evangelicals might vote for him in the general election as part of the anybody-but-Obama crowd. But, teabaggers wouldn't let him get that far in the primaries. St. Sarah is their Annointed One. Everyone else running is going to have to lean as far right as they can and claim that they believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that the moon landing was faked. I honestly think that if Palin runs in the primaries and loses, that the teabaggers will be so outraged, they'll urge her to run a third party ticket. And, of course, she's got such a huge ego, she'll go for it. But, the Rethug primaries are going to be a circus in '12. Hopefully, they'll terrify people so much that Obama will be a shoe-in.

[RZM]

13. Polls this far out don't mean much.

Ask Rudy and Hillary. Romney hasn't had the full force of Dem oppo strength unleashed upon him yet either. Obama wont have it as easy as he did in 2008, but he's still in the driver's seat.

[sarcasmo]

16. Joe the plumber would beat him now.

[PSPS]

18. Meaningless poll, but it shows what happens when a party's leader stands with the opposition party.

[laughingliberal]

55. +1 nt

[2Design]

20. NEVER Mitt

[David Zephyr]

21. Poor Mitt. Now the Rove/Bush machine will have to take him down a peg or two.

Watch for it. It's coming.

Jeb must be put back on the throne and whoever in the GOP rises will surely take a hit from Rove's machine by means of a leaked smear or a dissed comment. It's coming.

[Cheap_Trick]

31. Time for "September Dawn" to get rereleased in theatres. nt

[mr_liberal]

23. Poll conducted Dec. 2-8

I predict his numbers go way up for takign on the left of his party and for reaching a bipartisan agreement.

Then if the bill passes they'll go up even more.

This poll means nothing considering what (the tax plan and debate) has just happened a couple days ago.

[sirthomas66]

27. If the Social Security Tax holiday passes, he will not be reelected.

ddddd

[frylock]

34. i predict the opposite..

people are pissed.

[ProudDad]

115. You are NUTS!!!

His numbers in the Dem party are going to go DOWN...

His numbers within the Independents are going to go DOWN...they smell blood in the water...

The Biden/McConnel surrender was just STUPID, STUPID, STUPID politics...

Let alone another execrable give-away to the rich!!!

[pacalo]

132. Now, now...keep in mind that came from "Mr. Liberal".

:eyes:

[JDPriestly]

30. People don't really know much about Romney even though

he has been around a long, long time. He introduced the same health care plan in Massachusetts that Obama got passed last year. People don't realize that. He will lose a lot of Republican votes before he is done. He is a Mormon and that is unacceptable to a lot of people.

[roseBudd]

117. The fundies will never vote for the cult of Mormon, they don't consider Mormons to be Christian

[Imajika]

32. Nonsense...

Absolutely nothing has changed with Obama's approval rating in many months. Both Ras and Gallup have him at right around 45% and he has held that rating for what seems like a year now. While the President's approval ratings fluctuate some in the daily tracking polls, he always tends to settle at 45% or slightly above.

Considering how bad the economy is, Obama's approval ratings are really quite good.

[elleng]

33. Right, and I've got a very nice bridge for you, just a few bucks a month.

:crazy:

[Larkspur]

35. Obama can't win Independents if he loses his base

Independents or swing voters follow which ever base is the most active for their candidate. Obama has done a tremendous job of pissing off his base. It'll be hard to win over alienated Independents when your own base won' do the grunt work of campaigns -- canvassing and phone banking.

[UrbScotty]

38. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Obama-Bashing Underground.

Why does stuff like this get so highly recommended on DU?

[emilyg]

39. Maybe because it's Democratic Underground and not

Obama Underground.

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[Bluebear]

45. 'there are still few of those PUMAs running around' - you need some new material.

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[dennis4868]

47. I agree...

I think this site has worn out its use....people here refuse to understand why Obama did what he did... They have this fantasy thought process that if only Obama fought harder the repubs would somehow say no fillubuster and let's do a tax increase for the wealthy....what utter bullshit...,Obama has to givern and his main priority is the middle class and lower tax bracket and he knows that on January 1 their taxes will go up and the repubs will have more power.... He made the right move....liberals refuse to understand this.

[Fruittree]

70. I agree - I honestly don't see a good alternative...

I'm glad Bernie Sanders is doing what he's doing but on a practical level I'm afraid it will accomplish little other than symbolically. The fact is that the middle class tax cut alone did not pass the senate in either version when it was tried. To blame Obama for this is ridiculous. What people aren't addressing is that there are benefits for the middle class in here - tax cuts and credits, benefits for small businesses and for alternative energy businesses. Frankly, I think for a lot of people in tough times they are feeling over-taxed and a rise in taxes would be hard on top of the fact that a lot of us don't get raises any more. Think of how many taxes people pay - Federal tax, FICA, State tax, local tax, sales tax, property tax, school tax. This fighting it is leading to no attention to Start, DODT, Dream Act. A compromise is not a loss - it's accepting that not everyone thinks the way you do so you get what you can and come back to try for more another day. Why are people on here so intent on destroying the Obama presidency?

[danbee46]

81. Sometimes No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal

The agreement between Obama and the Repugs has so many bad things about it that I cannot support it.
1. The deficit will increase by almost a trillion dollars,
2. Individuals earning less than $20,000 and couples earning less than $40,000 will actually see their taxes increase,
3. Some Repugs have already said that the so-called "tax holiday" will be cause a problem when it's due to be reinstated,
4. The above problem probably will lead for increase calls by the GOP for benefit and eligibility cuts for ss and medicare,
4. Changing the way social security is funded, even for a year, sets a dangerous precedent,
5. and on and on and on

[Red Knight]

131. Obama could have taken the fight up sooner

Not wait until the last minute deadline and claim the clock is running out--which by the way he can make the tax cuts retroactive anyway.

You are being P-L-A-Y-E-D.

[stuart68]

72. I think the President looked great yesterday.... Pres Clinton !

that was a guy who got things done, as compared to President Obama...

[Skink]

49. Good

[Amonester]

51. Noooooo... He will impose his gd Romneycare BS!

Uh.. wait

[wisteria]

53. I don't have any faith in this poll. First, why would his approval drop so suddenly?

And, Mitt Romney? Not many voters even know who this guy is, let alone feel comfortable voting for him. If I was a tin foil hat therist, I would say Romney paid for this poll himself.

[krabigirl]

128. Why do you think? Problem is, romney is exactly the same.

I hope for a dem challenger or a good 3rd party candidate.

[Tesha]

140. It could be that a lot of us are no longer lying to pollsters.

You know, "Of course we still love Obama; why wouldn't we?".

Tesha

[Imagevision]

62. Having Bush was an insult to intelligence - with Obama I feel being HAD,_B-a-d-l-y!

[BlueIris]

63. I can't come up with a single DNC pair that could beat the dreaded Romney/Bloomberg.

If the GOP were smart, they would run that combo in 2012. Bloomberg/Romney would be even more frightening.

[DFW]

65. Bloomberg would never run as Romney's VP

He even left the Republican Party altogether.

If he hadn't run for Mayor of NYC under the Republican banner, the radical right would be
dissing him as badly as they are George Soros--an evil, non-conservative billionaire. For
that matter, I think Bloomberg is the nightmare of both RNC boss (de facto) Rupert Murdoch
AND Barack Obama. I don't think he will really run for President, but if he does, he could
be the first third party candidate with a serious chance since the 19th century.

As for Murdoch, as an Australian-born, nearly 80 year old with a young trophy wife, he knows
he is ineligible for the presidency of the USA on about 6 levels, but he's running nonetheless
by proxy. Without his blessing, no one gets the Republican nomination in 2012.

How pathetic is that?

[No Elephants]

64. Poll is meaningless.

[last_texas_dem]

66. Eh, MOE.

Also, who actually believes Romney would *ever* be the Republican nominee? Just don't see a Massachusetts Mormon ever making it through the Tea Party conventions that are Repug primaries & caucuses.

[panzerfaust]

67. Only if Palin runs against him can he win

Her bat-shit craziness trumping his apparent complete lack of courage.

[cornermouse]

68. People elected him to end Bush's policies.

He chose not to. I think that's the reason why the independents aren't interested.

[obxhead]

69. Yawn.

I'm hoping these threads will not be to frequent for now. The candidates are not even official yet.

[BlueMTexpat]

71. Just to point out the obvious ...

the election is not being held now.

[sendero]

73. Forget the polls..

... the ECONOMY will make the decision. If we still have 8+% unemployment in 2012 Obama is toast.

And I'm betting we will still have 8+% unemployment.

[SlimJimmy]

75. You're right about that.

The economy will be the determining factor, and not polls.

[Mayflower1]

76. It's too early to be poll-watching, for sure.

However, it didn't look good for Obama yesterday when he had to call President Clinton to help get his (rotten) message out.

I'm afraid he's got a long way to go to convince us of his leadership abilities.

[Scurrilous]

80. LOL

Look at all the recommendations.

:puke:

[kpete]

83. Poll: Obama's losing support; Romney would beat him now

Source: McClatchy

Poll: Obama's losing support; Romney would beat him now
By Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's approval ratings have sunk to the lowest level of his presidency, so low that he'd lose the White House to Republican Mitt Romney if the election were held today, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

The biggest reason for Obama's fall: a sharp drop in approval among Democrats and liberals, apparently unhappy with his moves toward the center since he led the party to landslide losses in November's midterm elections. At the same time, he's gained nothing among independents.

"He's having the worst of both worlds right now," said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College in New York, which conducted the national survey.

"As he moves to the center, he's not picking up support among independents and he's having some fall-off among his base. If his strategy is to gain independents and keep the Democrats in tow, it isn't working so far."




Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/10/105105/poll-obamas-losing-support-romney.html#ixzz17ogXZlar

[Amerigo Vespucci]

84. Yeah, well...the election's not being held today, so fuck Romney, and fuck McClatchy. n/t

[Wickerman]

85. +1

just selling papers.

[DenverDad]

86. +1

[SharksBreath]

95. When Dems start turning on McClatchy

sanity has definitely left the building.

No sir. Fuck you.


Having trouble dealing with reality.

[Champion Jack]

103. +1000

[pacalo]

87. I've read comparisons between Obama & Clinton, who seemed to benefit from

disappointing his base by moving toward center. Times are very different since Clinton was in office, however. There wasn't a $13.8 trillion deficit to which Clinton wanted to add hundreds of billions of dollars by giving the super-rich tax giveaways. Also, the nation had not yet been traumatized for 10 years by a "my way or the highway" mentality by the opposition.

True, Clinton had been wrongfully, unmercifully persecuted by the thugs his entire presidency, but that worked hugely in his favor when it came to opinion polls.

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[pacalo]

94. Obama has done a lot of good things for citizens, so I disagree.

It's this bad deal he's made with Republicans that angers me. It's a major mistake, imo.

[emulatorloo]

88. Clinton and Reagan were supposed to lose bigtime too, per pundits and polls

during the middle of their first terms.

The election isn't today.

[SemperEadem]

89. he needs to figure this out sometime over the weekend

and force the thugs to filibuster--make them own it, make them go on the record so they can be impeached at campaign time.

If people thought things were bad before, they're about to become really, really bad.

What would lead to a huge bounce for him? Coming out and saying "no tax cuts for the wealthy. Period. And I'll go HAM on anyone who obstructs that".

But he's not going to do that because he wants to be accepted by the thugs.

I certainly do not want Romney's empty headed, idiotic ass anywhere near the white house.

[Donyellathon]

90. These polls are all garbage

I fully intend to work just as hard as I did in 2008 to get President Obama reelected.

[placton]

98. 3rd Way or DNC, Donny? n/t

[Donyellathon]

102. Not sure what you mean

[dmosh42]

92. He is perceived as wimpy and indecisive. n/t

[Better Believe It]

96. And in the pockets of Wall Street. It will get worse and I don't think he'll run again in 2012.

[liberal N proud]

93. He isn't getting any help from DU these days

Lets hope that changes by 2012

[Red Knight]

99. Well, you know--he has to earn it

Unless you want to adopt the rightwing team first mentality even if things are collasping around us.

Plenty of people out there are willing to do that--things they'd scream at Republicans for--but cheer Obama for.

No thanks.

[liberal N proud]

121. At this point, not supporting a Democratic President is

aiding and abetting the right and their media machine.

Just keep it up and you will have President Palin in 2012.

[primavera]

124. What would Teddy say?

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public."
- Theodore Roosevelt

[hay rick]

100. He's getting what he deserves.

His tax compromise plan is a sell out of the Party and of the American people.

[ibegurpard]

143. he doesn't deserve it

[placton]

97. I wont be voting for Obama

hope he gets primaried, otherwise - meh. As for the claim, "he is moving toward the center," nope, he is moving into Russ Limbaugh dreamland

[liberal N proud]

149. You will enjoy President Palin then

[tomm2thumbs]

101. I think the GOP will be running Paul Ryan, their 'lil reagan'

Romney is yesterday's cheese roll

[roseBudd]

118. I don't, Ryan proposes to do away with Medicare for thoe under 55...

You'll get a voucher 10 years from now, that would not buy private coverage for someone 65 or over today

There will be no hiding from that proposal. It's on paper

[FlaGatorJD]

105. Just ask Howard Dean about polls! (n/t)

[ProudDad]

108. As Mr. pResident William J. Clinton's advisor said...

"It's the Economy, Stupid!"

Obama totally fucked up by hiring the banksters to shovel money into their bankster friend's pockets while ignoring most actual USAmerican human beings' needs...

With this last abomination, the Byden/McConnel backroom giveaway to the rich along with Obama's wars, he's proven that he's entirely tone-deaf when it comes to actual human needs and a total sellout to the affluent capitalists and the military industrial complex.

One-Term material indeed...

Enjoy pResident Romney and PLEASE don't blame the "whiny left" for his ascension, OK? :puke:

[Creative]

126. Are we to assume that he could still beat Palin?

:sarcasm:

[krabigirl]

127. Romney = Obama. How do their positions differ in any way?

[MBS]

129. Time to calm down and take longer view.

Two years is a LONG time in politics.
Give me a break. Romney, one of the oiliest, and most unpleasant politicians out there, is NOT going to beat Obama.
Obama has more political savvy than he's currently being given credit for.

[lanlady]

133. Romney? Why the f**k why?

Oh, right, he's the white guy. (Very, very white.)

[LawnLover]

135. We're two years away from the general. How can you take any of these polls seriously?

A lot can happen between now and then.

[Tesha]

141. Precisely WHAT can happen which will benefit the Democrats?

The Republicans will soon control the House, and with it
the budget and subpoena power. What items will break
the Democratic way?

Tesha

[LawnLover]

153. It's ridiculous to ask what will happen -- we

can't predict the future. Why even try? Why get upset over something that hasn't happened yet?

It's silly and unproductive.

[Tesha]

155. So, in other words,...

...you can't think of anything that will make things better
either.

Tesha

[laylah]

139. As disappointed...and betrayed...

as I feel, I would NEVER vote for a Repub. I am finally donning my :hide: because I am done, disappointed, PISSED off, and so very sad. IMVHO, Obama has let us/ME down...Mittens is CERTAINLY not the answer.

Jenn

[t0dd]

142. The only thing disconcerting about this is that 69% of liberals still support him. nt

[Arkana]

145. Too bad Mitt will never get near the nomination because the right hates him

almost as much as they hate Obama.

[defendandprotect]

148. +Looks like we need a new liberal Dem candidate in 2012 ....

[harun]

152. DAMN, If Romney get's in there he will continue our wars and give tax breaks to the Upper Class!!

He'll even keep Gitmo open!

[Bluebear]

157. !

[QC]

158. And he'll force us to buy health insurance from private corporations!

:scared:

[freshwest]

159. So, they're saying

People are going to vote for a theocracy?

There's no way that a Palin or Romney presidency would be secular except in title.