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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 07:06 AM Original message |
Group: Near 14,000 murders in Venezuela last year |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. This part can't possibly be true: |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Especially, not a fascist government. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Please give your definition of fascist. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Well, according to Benito Mussolini, the father of fascism: |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. And none of this Lycos cut-and-paste |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sure it does; in fact, another characteristic of many authoritarians is their fondness |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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Hulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You really need to get your info from sources OTHER THAN fox. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. In case you didn't notice, my source was the father of fascist socialism, |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. whoa.... You better do some reading. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I have done quite a bit of reading. That is why I no longer have socialist tendencies. |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. socialist tendencies.... |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Yes, when I look back, I laugh too. |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
72. You're an equivocating dispenser of untruth. |
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Ruperto31 (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Mussolini lied about the true nature of fascism. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Fascists lie...? No argument from me on that point. |
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Ruperto31 (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Mussolini was an ex-socialist and an opportunist. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Fascism and socialism deserve to be slandered, for they are both anti-capitalist. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. A well-regulated, free market zealot, would be a more accurate description. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Not being allowed to cheat subverts the free market and makes it unfree. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. You should look a little harder for your response is not rational. |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. Socialism has nothing to do with anti-democratic governments. |
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Rozlee (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. On one level, you're kind of describing the symbiosis of the current... |
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Ruperto31 (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Yes, the right wing of the Republican Party is proto-fascist. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Socialism not equal to Fascist Corporatism |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. They are very similar in that the government controls corporations under |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Capitalism let corporations to control the government, is it Fascism? |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Lobbies...? That is an entirely different can of worms. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That is the balance of power nobody can predict to control government |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Gov controlling corporations? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You should educate yourself, for if you are unable to grasp the similarities between |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Imagine that, a communist trying to explain how he is not advocating totalitarianism. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Mussolini was expelled, from the Italian socialist party to which he once belonged, during WWI |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Not anti-socialist, but national socialist (NAZI). |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. well the NAZI party hated communist |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. That is not entirely true. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. German communists were put in extermination camps by the nazis. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. That was because of their relationship with Russian communists. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Not at all, you're improvising. Fascism was born as reaction to communism/socialism |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. No, Nazism was a German political movement. Mussolini started Fascism, an Italian political movement |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Their differences were so slight that they became allies. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. This subthread is pointlessly derailing the main thread discussion, which involves nothing |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. "The Nazis set out to suppress opponent group..." Really? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's dishonest to compare the socialist SPD government of the Weimar era with the Nazis |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. "Freedom" is not a political theory. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Even if Fascism is Totalitarian, |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Yes, but under fascism, the relationship between the state and corporations is not voluntary. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. It May be a Matter of Emphasis, |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. The problem with your analogies is that no one controls the government. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. They're Not Analogies |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Okay, the problem with your scenarios is that in one of them, |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. I Agree with You That Chavez Does Not Respect Property Rights |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. At least we can agree on the idea of property rights. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
79. Fascism begins much earlier in Northern Italy -- 1400's .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
80. US has killed more than 1 million Muslims based on lie about WMD ... is that fascism? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. That would mean the government would be able to control the media. |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You are kidding, right? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Chavez wants to control the Internet now |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. and what exactly do you think is happening here right now? hint: wikileaks |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. ouch! |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Not ouch, just pathetic blind loyalty n/t |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Nice try, but not even close |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
66. The US doesn't have a Great Firewall (like China). |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. The state department got paypal and mastercard to stop accepting payments from wikileaks. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I can still get there |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. Venezuela isn't trying to censor the internet |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. They are going to have a multi-gigabit connection. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. That was sarcasm, right? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
71. Television in Venezuela: Who Dominates the Media? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. And one by one he's getting rid of the opposition channels |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
8. Provea is the group that publishes this paper. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. NGOs seem to be proliferating like fleas on the hind end of a dog. nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. The statistics are nothing new. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. Venezuela's murder rate,,, |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Shhh. You'll have the cadre of Fearless Leader's idolizers on |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
58. Per Capita, it does look like they are correct. See here... |
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