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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:05 PM
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North Korea raises military alert
Source: Al Jazeera English

Last Modified: 19 Dec 2010 14:09 GMT

North Korea's military has raised its alert for artillery units based along its west coast ahead of a planned live fire drill by the South, Yonhap news agency has reported, quoting a government source.

The move raised tensions that were already running high as the UN Security Council met for an emergency session on Sunday in an attempt to prevent the escalating crisis on the Korean peninsula from spiralling out of control.

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Both sides have said they will use military means to defend what they say is their territory off the west coast.

"We understand that there's been an upgrade in alert at artillery units," Yonhap quoted a South Korean government source as saying. South Korea's defence ministry offered no immediate comment.

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/12/20101219131027539330.html
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:09 PM
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1. I think we better pay attention to this now.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 04:15 PM
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21. We should have paid attention a long time ago. (nt)
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:10 PM
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2. They're the drunk in the bar calling all the biker guys "pussies".
All they want is to provoke a fight so they can claim an excuse to rekindle the war that never ended. I'm sure they are counting on China to back them up, but that's probably not a reasonable thing to expect. Usually that drunk ends up bleeding in the gutter and I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen this time. Things are significantly different than they were in the 50's. With two water fronts available, it wouldn't take much to liquidate their military capabilities with our current forces and technology. Either they are totally fucking stupid or, more likely, trying to bluff us into doing something stupid first. China's not the big brother it used to be.

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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:53 PM
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3. China's interest in Korea hasn't changed in 2000 years
If US forces cross the DMZ the PLA will mobilize, you can count on it.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:54 PM
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4. I don't think that's true anymore. NK has become a thorn in their side.
China's more interested in fucking the rest of the world economically. Their border isn't a "cold war" issue now. It is more of an economic border now.

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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:00 PM
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6. It has nothing to do with the cold war
It has to do with Chinese national security interests. If the conflict arguably remains a South Korean North Korean conflict, China may allow reunification to occur. If the US moves its armed forces into North Korean territory, the PLA will mobilize.

The best hope would be that US Chinese diplomats have negotiated a secret agreement about restricting their respective troop movements. If they haven't and the US moves forces into the North under the delusion that the Chinese won't react, they are in for a rude suprise.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:03 PM
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8. China would only benefist from reunification. They would have direct land trade routes.
Times have seriously changed.

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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:13 PM
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12. A mutual agreement to withdraw foreign troops is required
The Chinese do not regard having American or any non Korean forces on their border on this peninisula as a "benefit."
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 08:58 AM
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25. Yeah, that would probably be both necessary and possible in such a case.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:14 PM
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14. Samsung, Hyundai, and LG mean a lot more to China

All of the ROK industrial giants have major facilities in China that mean a lot more than the purity of Juche philosophy in the DPRK.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:22 PM
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16. The movement of US forces on the peninsula means more...
...than any free trade consideration.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:32 PM
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18. The US and China have nothing to fight over

...and the US and China are perfectly well aware of that.
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:59 PM
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5. Yeah, but with Seoul's proximity to the DMZ, I think the North could
easily due some nasty damage. A very unfortunate advantage that they possess.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:02 PM
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7. NK is on a suicide path. If they nuke themselves, China's going to have a lot more to worry about.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:05 PM
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9. Good analogy!
Unfortunately they are drunks that can level Seoul with artillery. :-(
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:06 PM
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11. Suicide mission. If they hit a major population center, most of NK is going to be toast.
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:20 PM
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15. Not very quickly
Thankfully...they could do a lot of damage, but Seoul is out of range of most of their artillery. Its at the extreme edge for even their biggest guns. Still, thats not of much comfort to the people living there, much less those poor people living in towns and villages close to the border.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:06 PM
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10. Uh-oh!
:scared:
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:13 PM
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13. Perhaps it is time to step back,
and to listen to cooler heads.

Further confrontation and escalation seems very unlikely to benefit the Korean people.
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:22 PM
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17. Step back from what ?
The south isn't doing anything wrong.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 04:37 PM
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22. It's an old expression meaning to
try a different vantage point (and, in particular, to think about where the involved parties may be heading (where the current course seems to lead), by figuratively "taking a step back" (I suppose "sideways" would work for "back") and looking ahead from there); to try to set aside heated thinking (which tends to unhelpfully color judgement).

It's also an unaddressed suggestion, which is further watered-down by a "perhaps".
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 09:31 AM
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26. Yes thanks....
English is my first language and I understand the term.

My question still stands. The South has not and is not doing anything differently to any other country with armed forces. It has nothing to stand back from.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:45 PM
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19. Tell that to North Korea. (nt)
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 04:14 PM
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20. "war under Republican, bad... war under Democrat, good." (???)
That seems to be the thing these days.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:15 PM
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23. update from bbc
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:54 PM
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24. This is starting to get on my nerves but at least Michelle Obama
looks cool at White House Christmas parties.
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