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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:55 AM
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Argentina jails for life 15 'dirty war' cops
Source: Agence France-Presse

Argentina jails for life 15 'dirty war' cops
By AFP
Published Wednesday, December 22, 2010

Courts in Buenos Aires and Mar del Plata Tuesday sentenced 15 former military and police officers from Argentina's "dirty war" to life in prison for taking part in human rights violations during the military dictatorship.

The sentences were announced on the eve of a sentencing hearing for ex-dictator Jorge Videla, 85, who faces a possible life sentence for killing dissidents during his 1976-1981 rule.

In the resort city of Mar del Plata, 400 kilometers (250 miles) south of Buenos Aires, a former army officer and two ex-marines were convicted of kidnapping and torturing nine opposition members at a navy facility in the port city during the 1976-1983 regime.

The Justice Information Center also said eight former police officers, a prison guard, a national police captain and two officers, were found guilty in Buenos Aires of more than 100 kidnappings and murders in three detention centers.

Read more: http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/argentina-jails-for-life-15-dirty-war-cops-2010-12-22-1.332530
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:05 AM
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1. About time
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:07 AM
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2. Bout time!
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:10 AM
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3. We should follow that example.
Prosecute our own war criminals.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:27 PM
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28. We need some TRUTH Hearings here in America to wake up the public ....!!!
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:59 PM
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30. No, we need criminal trials.
A "truth hearing" would leave the war criminals formally and permanently immune to prosecution.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:07 AM
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31. Obviously, they're not going to be prosecuted ... getting the truth out helps the public
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 12:07 AM by defendandprotect
understand what's really been going on --

but it you can get prosecutions -- hey, I'll take them!!

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:45 AM
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4. Would that we were as diligent in prosecuting depravity and corruption.
Half our government would be behind bars as well as most to many banksters and CEO's
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 03:10 AM
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5. hmm...
And, just how much did the United States have to do with Videla's reign of terror?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 03:48 AM
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6. You're on the right road, for sure: "Kissinger Backed Dirty War Against Left in Argentina"
Published on Saturday, August 28, 2004 by the Guardian/UK
Kissinger Backed Dirty War Against Left in Argentina
Transcripts show former secretary of state urged violent crackdown on opposition

by Julian Borger in Washington and Uki Goni in Buenos Aires

Henry Kissinger gave Argentina's military junta the green light to suppress political opposition at the start of the "dirty war" in 1976, telling the country's foreign minister: "If there are things that have to be done, you should do them quickly," according to newly-declassified documents published yesterday.

State department documents show the former secretary of state urged Argentina to crush the opposition just months after it seized power and before the US Congress convened to consider sanctions.

"We won't cause you unnecessary difficulties. If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better," Mr Kissinger told Admiral Cesar Augusto Guzzetti, the foreign minister, according to the State Department's transcript.

Carlos Osorio, an analyst at the National Security Archive, a US pressure group which published the transcript, said it was likely to be seen by historians as "a smoking gun".

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0828-02.htm

~~~~~

ARGENTINE MILITARY BELIEVED U.S. GAVE GO-AHEAD FOR DIRTY WAR

New State Department documents show conflict between Washington and US Embassy in Buenos Aires over signals to the military dictatorship at height of repression in 1976

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 73 - Part II
Edited by Carlos Osorio

Assisted by

Kathleen Costar, research and editorial assistance
Florence Segura, research assistance
of the National Security Archive

Natalia Federman, research assistance and Spanish translation
of CELS

Washington, D.C., 21 August 2002 - State Department documents released yesterday on Argentina's dirty war (1976-83) show that the Argentine military believed it had U.S. approval for its all-out assault on the left in the name of fighting terrorism. The U.S. Embassy in Buenos Aires complained to Washington that the Argentine officers were "euphoric" over signals from high-ranking U.S. officials including then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
The Embassy reported to Washington that after Mr. Kissinger's 10 June 1976 meeting with Argentine Foreign Minister Admiral Guzzetti, the Argentine government dismissed the Embassy's human rights approaches and referred to Kissinger's "understanding" of the situation. The current State Department collection does not include a minute of Kissinger's and Guzetti's conversation in Santiago, Chile.

On 20 September 1976, Ambassador Robert Hill reported that Guzzetti said "When he had seen SECY of State Kissinger in Santiago, the latter had said he 'hoped the Argentine Govt could get the terrorist problem under control as quickly as possible.' Guzzetti said that he had reported this to President Videla and to the cabinet, and that their impression had been that the USG's overriding concern was not human rights but rather that GOA 'get it over quickly'."

After a second meeting between Kissinger and Guzzetti in Washington, on 19 October 1976, Ambassador Robert Hill wrote "a sour note" from Buenos Aires complaining that he could hardly carry human rights demarches if the Argentine Foreign Minister did not hear the same message from the Secretary of State. "Guzzetti went to U.S. fully expecting to hear some strong, firm, direct warnings on his government's human rights practices, rather than that, he has returned in a state of jubilation, convinced that there is no real problem with the USG over that issue," wrote Hill.

More:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB73/index3.htm

~~~~~

Kissinger and The 'Dirty War'
by Martin Edwin Andersen
The Nation magazine, 10/31/87

~ ~ ~

Just three months after Argentina's generals took power in 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger gave that country's military a green light to continue its "dirty war," according to a State Department memorandum obtained by InterNation. This document shows that in early 1977 Robert Hill, then the U.S. Ambassador to Buenos Aires, told a top Carter Administration offi- cial that Kissinger had given his approval to the repression in which at least 9,000 people were kidnapped and secretly murdered. Kissinger, he charged, put his imprimatur on the massive disappearances in a June 10, 1976, meeting in Santiago, Chile, with Argentina's Foreign Minister, Adm. C6sar Guzzetti. Both men were attending the Sixth General Assembly of the Organization of American States, whose agenda, ironically, had been dominated by the human rights issue.
Guzzetti was one of the most outspoken advocates of the dirty war. In August 1976 he told the United Nations: "My idea of subversion is that of the left-wing terrorist organizations. Subversion or terrorism of the right is not the same thing. When the social body of the country has been contaminated by a disease that eats away at its entrails, it forms antibodies. These antibodies cannot be considered in the same way as the microbes."
The ninety-minute early morning meeting, at Santiago's Hotel Carrera, across from the Moneda Palace, came just three weeks after Hill had urgently warned Kissinger of the worsening Argentine rights record. A word from the Secretary of State would have helped rein in the generals. Although a secret analysis by the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, dated April 5, 1976, noted that "human rights could become a problem area as the military clamps down on 'terrorism, " it went on: "To date, however, the junta has followed a reasonable, prudent line in an obvious attempt to avoid being tagged with a 'Made in Chile' label. " According to the records of the Center for Legal and Social Studies, Argentina's foremost human rights group, by the time Kissinger and Guzzetti met, 1,022 people had been "disappeared" forever. At least another 7,938 met the same fate afterward.
When Kissinger arrived at the Santiago conference, Hill said, the Argentine generals were nervous about the prospect of being called on the carpet by the United States for their human rights record. But Kissinger merely told Guzzetti the regime should solve the problem before the U.S. Congress reconvened in 1977. A buen entendedor, pocas patabras ("To those quick to understand, few words are needed"). Within three weeks of the meeting a wave of wholesale executions began, and hundreds of detainees were killed in reprisal for attacks by leftist guerrillas. The memo- randum shows that Hill believed the responsibility for this ballooning state terrorism to be Kissinger's.

More:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Kissinger_DirtyWar.html

http://www.gwu.edu.nyud.net:8090/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB104/elclarin.jpg

U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger meets with
Argentine foreign minister, Admiral Cesar Augusto Guzzetti,
on October 7, 1976 (Photo courtesy of Clarín.com (Argentina),
http://old.clarin.com/diario/2003/12/04/p-01001.htm)

KISSINGER TO ARGENTINES ON DIRTY WAR:
"THE QUICKER YOU SUCCEED THE BETTER"

Newly declassified documents show Secretary of State
gave green light to junta, Contradict official line that
Argentines "heard only what wanted to hear."

While military dictatorship committed massive
human rights abuses in 1976, Kissinger advised
"If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better."

Washington, D.C., 4 December 2003 - Newly declassified State Department documents obtained by the National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act show that in October 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and high ranking U.S. officials gave their full support to the Argentine military junta and urged them to hurry up and finish the "dirty war" before the U.S. Congress cut military aid. A post-junta truth commission found that the Argentine military had "disappeared" at least 10,000 Argentines in the so-called "dirty war" against "subversion" and "terrorists" between 1976 and 1983; human rights groups in Argentina put the number at closer to 30,000.

The new documents are two memoranda of conversations (memcons) with the visiting Argentine foreign minister, Admiral Cesar Augusto Guzzetti - one with Kissinger himself on October 7, 1976. At the time, the U.S. Congress was about to approve sanctions against the Argentine regime because of widespread reports of human rights abuses by the junta.

The memcons contradict the official line given by Assistant Secretary of State Harry Shlaudeman in response to complaints from the U.S. ambassador in Buenos Aires that Guzzetti had come back "euphoric" and "convinced that there is no real problem with the USG" over human rights. Schlaudeman cabled, "Guz;etti heard only what he wanted to hear."

According to the memcon's verbatim transcript, Secretary of State Kissinger interrupted the Foreign Minister's report on the situation in Argentina and said "Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better… The human rights problem is a growing one. Your Ambassador can apprise you. We want a stable situation. We won't cause you unnecessary difficulties. If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better. Whatever freedoms you could restore would help."

More:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB104/index.htm



Videla in his glory, toasting the owner of the country's largest paper,
who was only too happy to further the interests of the dictatorship.

http://momento24.com.nyud.net:8090/en/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/videla.jpg

Videla going to trial for crimes against humanity. Better late than never.



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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:51 AM
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33. hmm...
Perhaps even more relevant is the role the Chicago Boys played in the catastrophic socio-economic destruction of Argentina. Strange that many of our species celebrates sociopaths like Uncle Miltie...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:22 AM
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7. Ex-Argentine dictator says terrorists run country
Posted on Tuesday, 12.21.10
Ex-Argentine dictator says terrorists run country

By MICHAEL WARREN
Associated Press

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina -- Former Argentine dictator Jorge Videla, on trial again for the first time in 25 years, testified Tuesday that his military junta was called by society to stamp out an incipient Marxist revolution, and warned that the same "terrorists" have now completely infiltrated the government.

"Yesterday's defeated enemies have achieved their goal: Today they govern our country and put themselves on pedestals as champions of human rights," Videla complained. "They're now in power and from there they are attempting to install a Marxist regime ... taking captive the institutions of the republic."

Videla, 85, gave a long speech before a panel of judges deciding whether he and two dozen other defendants are responsible for the torture and murder of 31 political prisoners in the provincial city of Cordoba in 1976. Prosecutors have asked for a life sentence for Videla. A ruling is expected late Wednesday.

This is the first trial for Videla since the Supreme Court in 2007 declared unconstitutional the amnesty that enabled him and other junta leaders to escape the life sentences they received in a historic trial in 1985, as Argentina was returning to democracy after the 1976-1983 dictatorship.

More:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/21/1983535/ex-argentine-dictator-says-terrorists.html

Please take a moment and scan the photos at "google images" for "Dirty War Argentina" and consider whether or not you believe the people running Argentina NOW are the terrorists:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1T4SNYI_enUS308US308&nfpr=1&biw=943&bih=568&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=tMIRTcHjNYSKlwfa_JnFCw&ved=0CDIQBSgA&q=Dirty+War+Argentina&spell=1

Thank you.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:57 AM
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9. Why is Kissenger still walking around a free man in this country?
Isn't he wanted somewhere for his war crimes? I wonder if Argentina could extradite him or would the U.S. refuse? I guess we know the answer to that question. But actually he should have been indicted HERE, long ago.

Excellent posts, Judy Lynn. In a way, these trials put the U.S. on trial also. And I would not be surprised if in the future, we see similar trials in other countries, like Afghanistan eg, if it ever becomes a Democratic state.

Justice, it is so necessary to heal the wounds of any nation subjected to the horror of brutal dictatorship. Sometimes I really want to believe there is a final judgement day. But for now, these small victories against evil, will have to do.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:35 AM
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Dupe n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 04:37 AM by sabrina 1
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:35 AM
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8. It took nearly three decades, but finally some justice is done.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 04:39 AM by sabrina 1
Maybe there is still hope for this country also.

:kick:
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 06:51 AM
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10. One thing to add...
This says they killed and tortured dissidents. Add to that list students who wanted affordable bus transportation, charity workers and clergy who fed the poor and taught them to read, and just people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If I can catch it I'll be watching the sentencing today. Do you happen to know when they're doing it?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:42 AM
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11. Don't know when it's scheduled but I'll check several times during the day. It's a biggie. n/t
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:17 PM
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12. 5:00 Buenos Aires time (don't know where you are)
So you don't have to go checking.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 03:34 PM
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14. Looks like they're about to start. nt
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:02 PM
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15. Videla - Perpetua, carcel comun.
Life in prison.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:21 PM
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17. I just saw this before checking this thread.
Posted the new story by itself just now:

Ex-Argentine dictator Videla jailed for life
Posted: 23 December 2010 0705 hrs

CORDOBA, Argentina: The principal dictator of Argentina's 1976-1983 military junta, Jorge Videla, was sentenced to life in prison on Wednesday for crimes against humanity committed during his murderous "dirty war" against left-wing dissidents.

Videla, an 85-year-old former army general who ruled between 1976 and 1981, had acknowledged his actions but denied they were human rights violations, insisting he was an unjustly convicted "political prisoner".

The sentencing judge, Maria Elba Martinez, described him as "a manifestation of state terrorism."

She ordered him incarcerated for the rest of his life in a federal penitentiary under civilian, not military, rules.

More:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1100748/1/.html

~~~~~

What has been the overall view of these guys publicly? I can't imagine there would be too many people who would support them publicly after all the hell they unleashed, with the full support of the U.S.

Thanks.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:25 PM
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26. Here in Argentina?
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 10:33 PM by Capitalocracy
You still occasionally hear a taxi driver talk about how things were better under the dictadura, but it's very uncommon to defend their human rights violations. Much less common than in Chile, where fascism is much more commonly accepted among the population. I think it shows the importance of prosecuting war crimes and setting an example. Instead of keeping prisoners in Gitmo (which, by the way, Democracy Now reported today that Obama is planning to make permanent with an executive order commanding indefinite detention for its detainees) we should close it and turn it into a museum, like they did with the naval mechanics school/clandestine detention and torture facility here.

And to add a little more detail, there's a lot of support here for the movement to convict war crimes. The Madres/Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo (the mothers and grandmothers of the torture victims and the children born in captivity and passed out under adoption to military officers and associates) are national heroes here.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:56 PM
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29. I saw them sitting in the audience during Cristina Fernandez' inauguration speech.
I realized then that at least with some of Argentina, they are greatly respected.

It's very, VERY good to learn they are widely held in high esteem. They went through hell, from what I've read in research, with some of them being tortured and murdered themselves, in addition to having lost their own loved ones to the same evil monsters.

Also, it was wonderful Nestor Kirchner opened that door to make the trials possible again, after George H. W. Bush's friend, Carlos Saul Menem, put them out of reach of the law by pardoning them himself before he drove his country into the ditch economically.

It's so good he was the President, and voided those pardons, a man who was tortured himself.

I didn't know the majority of Argentina is generally far different from Chile. That's really good news.

When Pinochet died, there were still a ton of fascists who came out to attend his funeral, standing in line to see his coffin. Damned creepy.

Thank you for your comments.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:40 AM
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32. Yes, they're very important here.
They're still very active politically, and they're there for all the trials and sentencing and political events and the bicentennial parade with all the Latin American leaders (I was there, just a few feet away from Mel Zelaya). People always cheer loudest for them around here, much more so than even for presidents or rockstars.

And yes, we need to take an example from Argentina. Obama says he wants to look forward, not backward, but if you don't look backward and prosecute these crimes, you will never move forward.

http://tbtp.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/a-man-died-today-that-obama-should-take-a-lesson-from-when-he-said-%e2%80%9clook-forward%e2%80%9d-nestor-kirchner-said-%e2%80%9cnunca-mas%e2%80%9d/
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:26 PM
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13. finally
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:02 PM
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16. Ruh roh, Rorge
Some of the survivors of oppression sure have long memories. This should not comfort the last president or anyone in his administration. I hope we don't take 30 years to turn over a few rocks.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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18. Ex-Argentine dictator Videla jailed for life
Source: Agence France-Presse

Ex-Argentine dictator Videla jailed for life
Posted: 23 December 2010 0705 hrs

CORDOBA, Argentina: The principal dictator of Argentina's 1976-1983 military junta, Jorge Videla, was sentenced to life in prison on Wednesday for crimes against humanity committed during his murderous "dirty war" against left-wing dissidents.

Videla, an 85-year-old former army general who ruled between 1976 and 1981, had acknowledged his actions but denied they were human rights violations, insisting he was an unjustly convicted "political prisoner".

The sentencing judge, Maria Elba Martinez, described him as "a manifestation of state terrorism."

She ordered him incarcerated for the rest of his life in a federal penitentiary under civilian, not military, rules.

Read more: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1100748/1/.html
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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19. A little late in the game but good. nt.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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20. See, Obama? THAT'S what you do with someone like Bush
I mean, duh.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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21. k&r
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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22. Chavez-as-Dictator Club, take note!
THIS is a dictator.
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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23. there are levels
This guy would be in top. Chavez is just a punk .
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:55 PM
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25. Ah. Thank you for your thoughtful response.
I know you spent hours of research on that pithy statement. There ought to be some kind of medal for you clever, clever boys.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM
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24. Ex-Argentine dictator Videla jailed for life
This thread has been combined with another thread.

Click here to read this message in its new location.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:26 PM
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27. Wouldn't we love to see some justice like this in America?
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