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steven johnson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 06:54 AM Original message |
Venezuela to Make Lawmakers Vote With Their Parties |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. Chavez the "dear leader" is never going to give up power... |
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mommalegga (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Ok Chavez supporters.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. Hilarious. Omfg, Venezuela may pass a bill for greater transparency in government! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. How is this transparancy? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. The idea is that legislators can't change parties after being voted in. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. thats not what the dumb law says, its says that legislators can't vote different from the party |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. No - it says no one can vote their conscience. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Utter nonsense. It says, explicitly, that if you are voted in under a party, your vote cedes to... |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
76. Venezuelan voters already have the right to revoke their legislator if they aren't happy with him |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Where are the Chavez cheerleaders? |
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mommalegga (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Dont worry Chavez |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. Democracy was gone when they agreed to rule by decree. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Chavez simply used the democratic system... |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Happened in Germany too on March 24th, 1933. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
6. this is not a good idea. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. We're in perfect agreement here. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I don't think its going to work so good, or stand up in court. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Have you considered that the Supreme Court is packed with |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Who needs Nostradamus when we got you to tell us the future? nt |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Obviously when you state "I don't think... it's going to stand up |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It is flatly unconstitutional, as another person who dislikes Chavez pointed out to me |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Stalin once said "It's not the votes that count - it's who counts the |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Oh good, another cliche. nt |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. They love Stalin. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. And it doesn't violate Godwin's Law. nt |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. You seem to specialize in non-responsive posts. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
72. bemildred already provided the article, if it is deemed constitutional, then your case is made. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Here: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
70. This wouldn't be the first time Chavez' side tried something unconstitutional. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
71. Thanks, btw, it's clearly unconstitutional and won't be passed. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. The people who decide have just been appointed by Chavez's party. I think the law will pass |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
8. All Hail Dear Leader Chavez!! Viva Hugo!! |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
10. The silence from Dear Leader's acolytes is absolutely |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Yup, it is pathetic... |
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Roy Rolling (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
14. voting along party lines? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
17. I Dunno. It'd Be Kind Of Nice, Wouldn't It, If Democrats Here Voted For What the Party Campaigns On? |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You think it would be kind of nice... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
80. It might be. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
20. This is a terrible idea for a simple reason. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Party loyalty is not necessarily good at all... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Obviously party loyalty is not good in every imaginable circumstance. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
21. I have no problem with this. |
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Cutatious (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It's mostly a good idea to vote with your party but |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. It is easy to understand the motivation, party control is an issue whenever there are parties. |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. I agree. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
64. What's interesting to me is how this will work if the parties ever flip. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Well, if that is the case... |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Yep. And Chavez celebrated being granted his decree powers |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
65. It is somewhat alarming. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Yes, it's such a shame that Venezuelan legislators won't be able to vote with their conscience |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. No, the shame is that legally they are not allowed to do so. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Hypocrisy unplugged. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Mirrors can be scary. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Hang onto all your name calling and dire predictions and check yourself |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. So, we are FORCING Hugo to be an autocrat. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. At least ours will have the opportunity... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. At least ours have the opportunity to sell out to the highest bidder. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, apparently |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. it doesn't sound like its bullshit, it sounds like this is a law being proposed or already passed |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Other countries do things their own way, sure, but would you have your country do things that way? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. it's simply not a particularly good idea to dictate by force of law |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
66. Um, you completely dismissed the problem that the poster was discussing. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. No, politicians are supposed to vote for the interests of their constituants. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. That's a novel concept. We'll see if it happens. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Apparently it is actually unconstitutional as discovered by some DUers: |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
82. Maybe. But there is a difference between enforcing party discipline at a political level and making |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
22. K&R #7 for, La la la la la !1 n/t |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. This is an absurd law. Chavez is Palpatine-esque. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. What this does it make it impossible for any member of the officialist |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. yep, I think thats the strategy n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
74. He's had those powers the majority of his term in office. I think he's trying to make them permanent |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. So they're copying the Republicans in the US? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Republicans crossed party lines to help repeal DADT. nt |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Yup. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Are you familiar with the term RINO? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Actually, it hasn't been nonsense. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. The Stimulus, Lilly Ledbetter |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. They could save a lot of money by replacing lawmakers with simple computer systems |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Chile tried that, see Project Cybersyn. The coup killed it. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
78. Are people really trying argue |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Yes, some of the more deluded posters here. |
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Demstud (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Not everyone on this board believes in democracy |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
79. If it looks like a dictator, acts like a dictator, sounds like a dictator... |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
81. Why have elected "lawmakers" at all? A few party officials could decide |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Hey, that's the Iranian system of democracy... |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Don't joke about that - it might be the next decree from Fearless Leader |
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