New 2012 Presidential Campaign Poll: Obama Rising, Palin Falling

[Elmore Furth]

Source: CBS News

Now, a new CNN poll provides some fresh data on the standing for candidates on both sides of the aisle. The poll finds that Mr. Obama's standing with Democrats for their 2012 nomination is improving, while Tea Party champion Sarah Palin has lost ground to fellow potential Republican candidates Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.

The poll finds that while many Democrats were upset with Mr. Obama over his tax-cut compromise, nearly 78 percent of Democrats in the poll say they want Mr. Obama as their nominee in 2012. Only 19 percent of Democrats would prefer someone else, the lowest rating on that statistic since March.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin has lost 18 points in Republican support in the last two years, the poll claims, with 49 percent of Republicans now saying they would be likely to support her for the nomination in 2012.

Two-thirds of Republicans questioned say they would likely support Huckabee as their nominee in 2012. Fifty-nine percent of Republicans say they would likely support Romney. That number drops to 54 percent for Gingrich. The poll did not require respondents to pick just one candidate.



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026715-503544.html

[HillbillyBob]

1. Lets see how the so called debt commission stuff unrolls

He sure as hell will no get my vote if we see ss and medicare gutted or even cut.

[Scurrilous]

2. Right out of the gate.

New DU never fails to disappoint. :thumbsup:

[Kolesar]

7. Took him two minutes to think up what to say

So he must have put a lot of thought and reflection into *that*. :sarcasm:

[Ruperto31]

24. That's his view. Other DUers agree. It's not a stupid view.

What difference does it make how long it took him to post it?

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[Tx4obama]

6. Yes! OBAMA 2012 - can barely wait to vote for him again :) n/t

[NeoConsSuck]

8. I see the 19%'ers had their posts deleted (nt)

[Still a Democrat]

9. Obama and Palin are all pert of the Grand Dem/GOP/Corp Conspiracy

at least that's what some here seem to believe.

[Ruperto31]

25. It's not a conspiracy; it's a system that runs on money.

Any such system will confine its leadership to a narrow range of choices--candidates that wealthy contributors and corporations like.

[grahamhgreen]

10. "Better than Palin"! What a legacy.

[defendandprotect]

11. +1000% ......

:rofl:


..... if it wasn't so sadly true!!



:(

[ClarkUSA]

14. Nonsense.

Here are the facts about President Obama's legacy thus far:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=578162&mesg_id=578162

Positive facts trump negative rhetoric every time.

[defendandprotect]

15. Unless I missed it and we got MEDICARE FOR ALL ... those are the facts!!

And it's all based on back room deals by Obama and the public knows it!

Big Pharma and the private H/C industry got exactly what they needed to continue

to rip off the public!

And maybe you didn't notice the Cat Food Commission -- or Obama supporting

their threats/conclusions re "entitlements" -- ???

[mahina]

19. Unless the congress comes over to your house for poker and sandwiches

I'm pretty sure most negotiating happens in 'back rooms'

lol

I am all for removing legalized bribery in our legislative system btw. Support Common Cause.

[defendandprotect]

22. Obama made these back room deals ... not Congress ...

and, yes, btw, for decades now Congress has been taking its discussions/

debates/decisions into back rooms away from the view of citizens.

Don't know anyone who would consider that something positive for democracy!

Even Obama spoke about the need for transparency ... though that seems to

be another issue he's now "changed" his mind about supporting!


Obama made back room deals with Big Pharma to prevent Medicare from negotiation

on drug prices --

Obama also made back room deals with private Health Care industry to keep

single-payer/government run health care "off the table."

You can find that information in the NY Times articles that have been posted here --

and here's Rahm "crowing" about how grateful business should be for the decisions

Obama has made . . . DU 8/12/10


”In a Thursday interview, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel argued that rather than recoiling against Obama, business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; his rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown; the rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the overhaul of health care

preserved the private delivery system;

the fact that billions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18...



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White House Affirms Deal on Drug Cost

WASHINGTON — Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion.

Drug industry lobbyists reacted with alarm this week to a House health care overhaul measure that would allow the government to negotiate drug prices and demand additional rebates from drug manufacturers.

In response,the industry successfully demanded that the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html



Obama Is Taking an Active Role in Talks on Health Care Plan

Behind the scenes, however, Mr. Obama and his advisers have been quite active, sometimes negotiating deals with a degree of cold-eyed political realism potentially at odds with the president’s rhetoric.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/policy/13health.html?_r=1



If you're against "legalized bribery," I'm sure you're against these back room deals.

And, we've since also seen the further deals by Obama with GOP on the tax cuts which has

not only perpetuated a really bad idea in continuing the tax breaks for the rich, but has

brought further attacks on Social Security, among other ills of this agreement with the

Repugs.

[ClarkUSA]

13. Better than Hillary, too. That's also his legacy, much to the everlasting emnity of some people.

More on his legacy: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=578162&mesg_id=578162

[Ruperto31]

26. Hillary and President Obama are political twins.

I was never able to find one significant political difference between them.

[Striker Davies]

12. 49% Still support Ms Unbranded Cow?

The most terrifying aspect of this news is that 49% of republicans will STILL support here! How incredibly gob-smackingly, spine-cruddlingly, skin-crawlingly STUPID can anyone be?

(Maverick - the cattle family that didn't brand their herds, nothing to do with the meaning that evil twit imagines it to have!)

[Ruperto31]

27. Yeah. That's the real news in this story. n/t

[sabrina 1]

16. Obama doesn't have to worry about Democrats, although he will

lose a % of those who voted for him in 2008. What he has lost is the Independent vote and a large part of the youth vote.

The WH believes they can spend millions to get new voters to the polls for them, recognizing they have probably lost a large segment of the voters who elected this president in 2008 and won't be getting them back.

[LIBERterryAN]

18. Obama doesn't have to fear Dems but. . . . .

The Democrats sure do have to fear Obama!

Only 40% of registered Dems voted in 2010 compared to 80% of Reptilicans.

If you don't deliver FOR your own people then they will not even vote.

There is NO WAY Obama will be re-elected. In fact, in 2010, as reported by Rob Reich and
Paul Krugman, Wall Street investors sent memos to large corperations telling them
that if they hired ANYONE befere the 2010 elections, that there would be a run on
their company's stock by investors.

And Wall Street won't do that in 2012?

The ONLY chance America has now is if someone like Dick Gephardt, Russ Fiengold, or
Sherrod Brown challenges Obama in the primaries.

[Alamuti Lotus]

17. Obama's surge to the Right has all but absolutely guaranteed his re-(s)election

He has quite effectively proven to the business elite and MIIC that he is a better smokescreen for their activities than any of the full-bore lunatics that the Republican Party can produce, so he's almost a sure lock for another dog-and-pony 4yrs. Which is a shame, since so many so-called "progressives" would otherwise be in open revolt if these very same policies were (and it's likely that they'd be) put forth by a Republican sock-puppet.

[robcon]

21. I agree. He has captured independents that Dems lost in 2010.

He will win easily.

[Ruperto31]

28. He has lost the left. Just look at the posts about him on DU.

He would not win "easily" against Mitt Romney. Many people on the left simply will not vote.

[Godhumor]

32. DU is representative of nothing more than DU. n/t

[Ruperto31]

30. Good point, well stated. n/t

[Ruperto31]

31. Dupe

[robcon]

20. Election 2012 will be a cakewalk for Obama.

n/t

[Ruperto31]

29. Every time I see the word "cakewalk" I think of Iraq.

Obama's candidacy will not be a cakewalk without the left. And remember that the left stayed home in 2010.

[underpants]

23. Palin goes down

sorry couldn't resist