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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:23 AM
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Mexico supplies electricity to wintry Texas
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 11:27 AM by RamboLiberal
Source: Yahoo News/AFP

Mexico's state electricity company on Wednesday started supplying electricity to the US state of Texas, where demand shot up amid unusually cold temperatures and caused power outages.

Mexico's Federal Electricity Commission "was determined to support Texas with electrical energy faced with the problems the state is suffering due to climatological conditions," a statement said.

An energy transfer of 280 megawatts began at midday (1800 GMT) via the north Mexican border cities of Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa and Piedras Negras, it added.

Texas Governor Rick Perry said in a statement that power and emergency management experts were working with utility providers to ensure power was restored as quickly as possible.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110202/ts_alt_afp/mexicousweatherstorm_20110202234748



Why Was Cowboys Stadium Exempt From Blackouts?

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – As brief power outages rolled across the state on Wednesday, certain places were intended to be exempt from a temporary loss of electricity. That included hospitals, nursing homes, fire stations, police stations, other emergency response facilities… and Cowboys Stadium?

When officials with Oncor said that the Arlington site of Sunday’s Super Bowl XLV would not be a part of the rolling outages, many residents became furious. But this was not entirely a choice made by the local utility company.

With thousands of reporters huddled in North Texas hotels and thousands of rabid football fans attending the NFL Experience at the Dallas Convention Center, and two football teams preparing to do battle on the field of Cowboys Stadium this Sunday, the North Texas Super Bowl XLV Host Committee had a big request to make. “It is vitally important we don’t have blackouts,” said committee vice president Tony Fay.

Fay asked the City of Dallas, the City of Fort Worth and the City of Arlington to ensure that rolling blackouts did not prevent planned events from happening at Super Bowl venues. That news really steamed up some homeowners who were left without power for hours. “We’re not prioritizing,” said frustrated Plano resident Allen Hooser. “Hospitals and the grocery store, which is out. But for a PR stunt, where you can go throw a football, you have power and heat.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/03/why-was-cowboys-stadium-exempt-from-blackouts/

Blackouts Anger Dallas Hospitals

They are the critical care safety nets for North Texas: Parkland, Baylor, Methodist and Presbyterian Dallas. So, during Wednesday’s rolling outages, why was the power cut to these vital hospitals?

Jorie Klein runs disaster management for Parkland Hospital, and is still upset that her hospital was included in the rotating outages. “We were not happy,” she said. “You can’t just go down for 15 minutes and come back up. It really does disrupt hospital care.”

Because of the sensitive life-saving equipment, hospitals are considered “critical care facilities,” and supposed to be exempt from rolling blackouts. That’s exactly what Presbyterian Dallas was led to believe. “We were of the understanding that hospitals and other critical-care providers were not supposed to be affected by planned outages,” said hospital spokesman Stephen O’Brien.

Oncor admits that a mistake was made. “We are sorry this happened. We are in a process of refining our processes, so in the unlikely event of future mandates for rotating outages, hospitals will be excluded,” said Oncor spokeswoman Catherine Cuellar.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/02/blackouts-anger-dallas-hospitals/
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:25 AM
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1. Thank you Mexico
For helping with this, caused the decades of fuckups done by Repukes in our great state..
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:29 AM
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2. Is this the plan?
To avoid air quality laws in Texas (do they have standards) and Federal law by outsourcing their power production in Mexico? I lived in El Paso for 3 years and air quality wasn't bad, but you can tell which was Mexico side of the border by looking up at the sky. The sky was filled with smog on the Mexico side.

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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:04 PM
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8. Someone living in southern California...
shouldn't be casting aspersions at Mexican smog. I'm pretty sure this is temporary, because if you haven't been paying attention, it's freezing in most of Texas and people don't have heat. Pipes are bursting as a result of the cold and lack on heat in homes.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:08 PM
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26. At least 50 plants went down across the state.
Probably the result of deregulation, I would bet. For higher profits, companies are no longer modernizing plants or building newer, more efficient ones. Right-wingers will blame environmental regulations for this but I think they are wrong.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:29 PM
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18. The FEC has barely enough capacity for Mexico
let alone Texas.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:40 AM
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3. State owned electric company - socialism in Texas?
:sarcasm:
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:55 AM
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4. Illegal Immigrant Electricity? Shame on Texas and Rick Perry's Administration
Someone (John McShame and Jan Brewster perhaps) should immediately go to the state line and cut the immigrant power cables. Socialist electricity might destroy the entire "super" bowl. Shameful.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:47 PM
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13. Damn right
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 12:51 PM by Angry Dragon
can't have that illegal Mexican electrons coming in
before you know it they will want to cross over all the time


On another note: I glad to see that football is more important
than people that may be dying. I mean how can you have civilization
if you can't make money off of football
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:20 PM
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15. besides
don't they use metric electrons... gonna screw up the wiring when we use genuine american electrons again!!!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:22 PM
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16. To be fair their electrons are much more affordable which is good for
the electricity business and in turn good for all of us.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:42 PM
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19. No, Mexican "slave-labor" electrons are bad for our economy when we could make 100%
of all electrons we need right here in the US (even if they cost a bit more). ;) BTW, do we have tariffs on imported electricity or is this a NAFTA thing?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:26 PM
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20. I'm not sure of the answer to your question. But I'll ask you this: Why do you hate "electric
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 02:26 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
freedom"? Are you some sort of "electricity commie" who doesn't believe in the invisible hand of the free flowing electricity, huh?
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Leithan Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:58 AM
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5. Ouch!
This is gonna make it more difficult for the wingnuts to portray Mexicans as evil.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:01 PM
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6. Aren't they worried their power lines will catch some disease?
Does Lou Dobbs know about this?
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:40 PM
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12. Yea, seriously
Shouldn't they turn off all their power to protest?

"SAY NO TO MEXELECTRIC!"
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RATM435 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:03 PM
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7. THE GHOST OF ENRON
How many hospitals nursing homes went with out power when the Texas base company shut down
power stations in California pay back is a bitch.

Enron traders talking about Grandma Millie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOLNWF5QMxY
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:10 PM
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9. Thanks Mexico!
I was anxious about getting a cup of coffee this morning for no reason.

Considering what's going on in the world and other states, we really do have it easy here in Texas.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:13 PM
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10. Thank you Deregulation..
... we now pay more for our electricity and get lousy service included free.

When I lived in Dallas, we had power outages almost every month.

"Competition", isn't it wonderful?
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:39 PM
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11. What I've heard is that 2 power plants were taken off line
because of burst water lines. This coupled with the cold is putting a lot of pressure on the grid.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:11 PM
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14. because of burst water lines. This coupled with the cold is putting a lot of pressure on the grid.
Water lines and power grid that has had no upgrade and minimal maintenance for the past 30 years.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:23 PM
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17. You're assuming a lot here do you have some proof?
In my area there has been quite a bit of transmission,sub station and power plants going in. So were the 2 plants that went off line elderly?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 04:04 PM
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21. Three upgrades off the top of my head...
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 04:04 PM by LanternWaste
Three upgrades off the top of my head...

a major overhaul of the Unit 5 Turbine, and cooling systems at the Sabine Plant near Bridge City; The Combined Cycle Upgrade in Laguna, TX; and various upgrades on the Rio Grande Power Station.

(A close friend of mine is on the PUC in TX) We may have a lot of problems in TX, but maintaining power generation through new units and upgrades isn't one of them.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:01 PM
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22. Mexico cancels offer to send electricity to Texas
Mexico said Thursday it was temporarily suspending an offer to provide electricity to Texas to help the U.S. state weather an ice storm that forced rolling blackouts, because of severe cold in Mexico's own territory.

Mexico's Federal Electricity Commission had said Wednesday it had agreed to transmit 280 megawatts of electricity to Texas.

But on Thursday, the commission said it was temporarily suspending the transfer because below-freezing temperatures in northern Mexico had affected the generating capacity of some its own plants, causing a reduction of about 1,000 megawatts in generation.

The commission also said Mexico needed to ensure there was enough electricity to meet domestic demand, in the face of a severe cold snap that dumped snow on the border city of Ciudad Juarez, across from El Paso, Texas

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/7411539.html
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:29 PM
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23. Oh noooes!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:35 PM
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24. It's worth pointing out that Texas isn't part of the US national grid.
It's only really connected to Mexico's grid, through a couple of junctions. That happened in just the last couple of years.

Winter is usually the slack season for electricity usage in much of the state. Generation facilities need to be taken off line for PM just like any other large chunk of machinery. The steel mill my parents worked at used to shut down blast furnaces for a few weeks each year to run inspections and repair stuff. The computer at the Army facility I worked at was shut down to be checked up and updated on a periodic basis. I take my car "off line" for maintenance and inspection--preferably before it breaks down on the side of the road.

We have had some public debate over electricity generation facilities, nuclear and fossil-fuel based. We've had more controversy over how to implement laws saying that an upgrade to part of facility or an expansion necessitates upgrades to the entire facility. Neither of those easily lead to greater, cheap electricity.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:06 PM
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25. Hey! Send those illegal electrons home!
The are taking the jobs of good old American electrons!
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:57 AM
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28. Apparently it's "open borders" for electrons. Next stop - North American Union!
(Just don't tell the Birchers and baggers!) ;)
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:43 AM
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27. This would be quite amusing except for the "selection" of targets for outages ...
Choosing to black-out four hospitals while keeping the "Super Bowl venues" up?

:wtf:
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:08 AM
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29. Priorities, people! n/t
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