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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:00 PM
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Hitler aide Bormann 'escaped to Latin America'
Source: Agence France-Presse

Hitler aide Bormann 'escaped to Latin America'
AFP
February 6, 2011, 2:13 am

BRUSSELS (AFP) - Top Nazi Martin Bormann, who German authorities say died in 1945, escaped Berlin and lived in Latin America disguised as a priest, a former Belgian collaborator said in an interview published Saturday.

Paul van Aerschodt, 88, who was sentenced to death in Belgium in 1946 but broke out of prison before his execution and now lives in Spain, told the Derniere Heure newspaper he had met Bormann four times in La Paz, Bolivia, around 1960.

"Bormann had come from Paraguay and was plotting with some 20 officers a coup to overthrow (dictator Juan) Peron in Argentina," van Aerschodt said.

He claimed Bormann, who called himself Augustin von Lembach, passed himself off as a priest and celebrated masses, weddings and funerals and administered the last rites to the dying.

Read more: http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/8783051/hitler-aide-bormann-escaped-to-latin-america/
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:09 PM
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1. Three photos of Martin Bormann:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 05:30 PM
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17. He was. His middle name is Adolf.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:13 PM
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2. recommend
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:21 PM
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3. Quite a story if true. I'm skeptical.
I'm sure that more information will be forthcoming, though.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:27 PM
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4. I have heard that story for years
and years. Some of those nazis did escape to South America. The Israelis found Eichmann. I believe the movie The Boys of Brazil was based upon one or two of them. My memory goes back but not to the point I can remember names given at that time.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 05:03 PM
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15. First item of skepticism: the number 88.
Among the last numerologists in the world are the damned Nazis. The number 8 denotes the letter "H." The number 88, in idiot f$%^ing Nazi, means, "Heil Hitler."
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 05:06 PM
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16. Good catch.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 08:56 PM
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19. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Sometimes a piano is just a piano.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:02 PM
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23. Yes, but that particular cigar shows up often enough to raise an eyebrow.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:36 PM
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5. DNA test closes book on mystery of Martin Bormann (1998)
Imre Karacs in Bonn

Monday, 4 May 1998

THE long search for the elusive Martin Bormann is over. Using DNA analysis, German and Swiss scientists have established that a skeleton dug up in Berlin in 1972 is indeed Bormann's. Hitler's deputy - or, in Goering's words "that filthy swine" - may now rest in peace.

The scientists compared the DNA obtained from a piece of the skull with a tissue sample donated by an 83-year-old relative of Bormann's living near Frankfurt and found matching sequences ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/dna-test-closes-book-on-mystery-of-martin-bormann-1161449.html
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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:13 PM
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7. Hmmm...
Unlikely he left without his skeleton. :shrug:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:16 PM
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8. There are plenty of invertebrates in Congress that would prove otherwise.
:sarcasm:
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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:57 PM
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20. LOL
Good one! :hi:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:49 PM
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10. he could have borrowed one from someone
you never know about these things
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:52 PM
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6. Google translation from LePoint:
AFP - Posted on 05/02/2011 at 12:51 - Edited on 05/02/2011 at 12:52
A Belgian claims to have met with Martin Bormann in Bolivia



Ensures that a Belgian Nazi war criminal Martin Bormann, officially declared
dead in 1945, lived in Paraguay and Bolivia after the war where he met living
under a religious identity, in an interview published Saturday by daily last hour.


Ensures that a Belgian Nazi war criminal Martin Bormann, officially declared dead in 1945, lived in Paraguay and Bolivia after the war where he met living under a religious identity, in an interview published Saturday by daily last hour.

Employee sentenced to death in Belgium in 1946, Paul van Aerschodt, 88, lives in the name of Pablo Simons in San Sebastian, Spain, where she met a reporter from the newspaper, Gilbert Dupont.

Paul Van Aerschot claims to have met with Martin Bormann "four times to 1960" at La Paz, Bolivia, where he fled in 1947 "with a visa obtained in a few days in the intervention of a Claretian father, Bishop Antezana.

His statements should revive the controversy over the death of Nazi official Adolf Hitler serétaire officially declared dead in 1945 and revived the controversy over the support of the Church in Nazi criminals at large.

"Bormann came from Paraguay. He prepared a dozen officers a coup to overthrow Peron in Argentina," he said. "Bormann had remained a fanatical (...) Under the name of Augustin von Lembach, he passed himself off as a Redemptorist father and wore a black cassock, which did well laugh," he added.

More:
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/un-belge-assure-avoir-rencontre-martin-bormann-en-bolivie-05-02-2011-135997_24.php





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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:25 PM
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9. They were called, "the Rat Lines"
Book:

Aarons, Mark, and Loftus, John. 1991. Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis, and the Swiss Bankers. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1991; revised, 1998.

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_%28history%29

Not the sort of history anyone would want celebrated in text books (especially not those who continue to stalk those same corridors of power, today), but no less true for all of that.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:29 PM
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11. From Wiki .... the rest of the story ... the real truth.
"The remains were conclusively identified as Bormann's in 1998 when German authorities ordered a genetic test on the skull.
The test identified the skull as that of Bormann, using DNA from one of his relatives."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann



Although rumors of a cell line from Herr Borman being cloned in 1950 in a medical lab in the Bavarian town of
Tegernsee still persist to this day.




BTW Freepers and lurkers .... suck on it bush/Cheney/Rove lied to start a war end of story.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/news/entry/189/
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 11:41 PM
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22. Doesn't he look the part though?
Nazi Germany would have suited him to a tee.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 09:35 AM
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28. What did Hannah Arendt call it? The Banality of Evil.
That applies perfectly to a guy who was called "Turd Blossom" by his friend/boss, Dubya.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 09:49 AM
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29. What's really funny is how much that photo looks like G. Beck!!
nt
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:41 PM
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12. According to Russ Meyer he had a gas station
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:09 PM
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13. russ was the man....they do`t make them like that anymore.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:44 PM
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14. This is 'LBN'?
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 04:46 PM by bluerum
:think: :think: :think:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 08:12 PM
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18. The information was published today, as the article says. n/t
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 10:13 PM
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21. You know this story reminds me of an old book
Ever read "Aftermath"?

It is a kind of "I was there" style book written by a supposedly x-intelligence guy, I'm not recommending the book.

However - I am recommending this thread!

Interesting stuff always seems to keep coming back to the surface.

Thanks for posting Judi.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:55 PM
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24. The USA's real immigration problem...
...The NAZIs who escaped justice after World War II.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Don't mean to sound like a broken record, just trying to break the nation out of its rut.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 08:21 PM
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25. I've read that the Catholic church was complicit in helping Nazis escape.
so maybe there's some truth to it.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:32 PM
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26. Hitler still making headlines?
Man does this guy have some longevity or what.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 02:22 AM
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27. I believe he has the same agent that Betty White does
they're both EVERYWHERE these days.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 09:52 AM
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30. Paraguay
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 10:50 AM
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31. Title should say "Former Belgian Collaborator claims Borman escaped...."
Edited on Mon Feb-07-11 10:50 AM by yellowcanine
The story doesn't support the statement of fact in the title.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 11:15 AM
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32. Um...didn't we know this already?
Is the story that there's even more confirmation of the fact now?
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