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'Islam seeks to dominate. If it can't do it by forceful, bigoted words then it will do it by violence and intimidation.
...Unfortunately Islam's history suggests that it knows no other way, but to intimidate, to kill, to threaten and to dominate. Yet people like Mr Paxman are prepared to turn a blind eye to all this in the name of 'social cohesion' and 'multicultural appeasement'. When will they wake up? Perhaps only when the Muslim mobs are at their door and they need police protection!'"
This is lazy and incautios language, because in the two statements that you have cherry picked, the author used only the word Islam, without any of the qualifiers that they add in their mission statement. Elsewhere in the article, however, he does clarify that his complaint is against "Islamic extremists" and "radical Islam". In particular, in the summing up paragraph, the author makes clear that the focus of their concern is with "Islamists" and "Islamism" further clarifying that he is referring to a barbaric, 7th century imperialist movement...
It's difficult to challenge their Mission Statement, based on these two generalisations. If this were the common tone of the website, it would be clear that they are anti-Islam in any form, but they do make clear that they embrace moderate Islam as a part of British culture, that they regard moderate British Mulsims as their fellows, that they invite British Muslims to join in the fight against extremism.
"And quoting an opinion from the mainstream-right Daily Mail:
'a Tony Blair and Labour Government Policy to "flood" the Islands of Britain with "MASS MUSLIM/ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION" from outside the EU to socially engineer Britain's communities from within and in turn, grab the block muslim vote to hang onto power... THIS IS TREASON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER... '"
I can't find this quote, so I don't know who it's from, or how it is relevant. Could you add a link?
"The EDL have close links with football hooliganism"
How do these alleged links affect the validity of their stance against extremism, or support the claims that they are a far right, racist, fascist front? They say that they are committed to peace. When given the chance last weekend to prove that, when the police finally did their job and kept UAF from attacking them, they proved that commitment by assembling their largest ever gathering and staging a successfully peaceful protest. They explicitly ban violence. They protest peacefully. We may disagree with them. They may even want to ban Islam in all its forms. That's not illegal. So long as they protest within the law, what more can we ask of them?
"and go around with a clear intention of intimidating others and/or starting clashes with the more hot-headed Muslims."
They stood still and made their protest, peacefully. In order to avoid clashes with more hot headed Muslims, the only practical course of action would be for them to stay home and abandon their human rights to assembly and free speech.
"Their name - the English Defence League - is a clue. If they were simply against Sharia they might call themselves the Religious Freedom Defence League or even simply the Anti-Sharia League." Perhaps, they see fairness, equality and freedom as values that they identify with English tradition and the proposed introduction of legal systems that would deny English Mulsims full access to those values as a threat that prompts a defence.
I mean, when the top law lord suggests that Sharia should be given the force of law:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031611/Sharia-law-SHOULD-used-Britain-says-UKs-judge.htmlthat is a tangible threat. Defence doesn't seem such an inappropriate word. Not necessarily one that I would choose, but it doesn't trouble me. Those are, after all, my liberties that they are defending, and those of English mulsims.
"They are basically saying, 'English culture is being taken over by these foreigners - we must fight back!'"
That's a straw man argument. They aren't basically saying that. You're basically saying that they're saying that. Let's debate them on what they do say.
Problem is, when you read what they do say, it actually doesn't seem so unreasonable. I know, you prefer 'mealy mouthed.' I see opposition to Sharia, support for human rights and one law for all, racial and religious equality, homosexual rights. What's not to like? They could be a bit more careful when they are writing, but having a shotgun aimed at you can probably make you a little sloppy with your vocabulary.
"There are unpleasant Islamist groups in the UK, but they are no more representative of British Muslims than, I'm glad to say, the EDL is of the British as a whole!"
Again, the EDL agree with you, and say that they want British Mulsims to be protected from those extremists, so that they can freely evolve a form of Islam that is compatible with their homeland (which the EDL make clear, is the UK).
"'but I am convinced that they are getting an unfair press, that is seeking to silence criticism of fundamentalist, extremist Islam in the UK'
Seriously, have you ANY idea what the British Press (most of it) is like?! That is about the last thing they would do! Large sections of it are extremely xenophobic."
I was specifically referring to the coverage that I watched on the BBC, where the anchors referred to the EDL with the usual far right perjorative descriptions, then interviewed several critics of the EDL, who went on, unchallenged, to describe them as fascists. The BBC showed footage of UAF supporters struggling with police at a previous EDL protest, and implied that it was the EDL that caused the violence. They invited nobody from the EDL, or anyone prepared to present the real facts. It was a pure, intentional smear job.
In all of the journalistic material that I have seen about the EDL, only the Newsnight interview had any integrity, mainly because they couln't spin any nonsense that wouldn't get immediately challenged. Lennon made no arguments against immigration, in the way that Griffin would. He spoke only against extremism and an unreformed, fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. Paxman had nothing on him, because it was evident that there is nothing beyond smear and innuendo that you can genuinely lay against them.
You can't accuse them of violence, because they are attacked by Muslim hotheads. You can't accuse them of violence, because they are attacked by the UAF. You shouldn't argue that they are provoking this violence by peaceful assembly, because you would be, in effect, making the domestic abusers defence "She asked for it."
Whether the EDL are good, bad or indifferent, they have a right to gather and protest for their views, so long as they do not break the law, and, when given the chance to do that, that's exactly what they did.