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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:20 AM
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Greece blasts EU-IMF asset sale demand
Source: AFP

ATHENS — Greece on Saturday blasted calls by EU and IMF officials for a massive privatisation drive worth 50 billion euros by 2015 to alleviate the country's crushing debts.

"The behaviour of the European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank representatives ... was unacceptable," government spokesman George Petalotis said in an early morning statement.

"We asked them to help and are fully meeting our obligations. But we did not ask anybody to meddle in the internal matters of the country," he said.

Greek newspapers and opposition parties were equally scathing but many also took a swipe at the ruling Socialists for bargaining with the EU, the IMF and the ECB, the 'troika' supervising Greece's recovery from near bankruptcy.



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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:47 AM
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1. Greece should simply default
Not defaulting will harm the country even more in years to come.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:47 AM
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2. No, they should fight back and win
I mean, as long as we're being idealistic dreamers...

But seriously, to the utmost possible extent they should challenge the right of these organizations to create such rules - it needs to be labeled extortion and outlawed, and the perpetrators need to be driven out of civilization entirely, into prison, homelessness, or worse.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:09 PM
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3. right, but
The debt is there, and greece can't pay it. The debt is simply too much. They should default and get on with their lives. Countries don't need the large banks any more than your cousin needs the pay-day lenders and credit cards he depends on.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:14 PM
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13. Fight how? If they don't want the money, they don't have to negotiate.
Pretty simple, really, Greece can do what it wants, and not borrow money.
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:10 PM
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4. Is this the correct understanding? Greece has to sell it's government
properties to private industry? Like water, electricity, gas (if they use natural gas), nuclear power plants, trash collection to private companies? I'm confused, because i don't know what all industries are owned by government & what is private.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:26 PM
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5. Never could have seen THAT coming, eh? nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:55 PM
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6. ...
:mad: i hate the imf.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:02 PM
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7. yeah good luck with that
"But we did not ask anybody to meddle in the internal matters of the country."

I always thought that was a requirement for taking WB/IMF loans. We give you the money, you give us the right to restructure you so we can get our money back ASAFP
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:14 PM
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8. It Greece doesn't like it they don't have to even deal with the IMF.
They can try to solve their problems on their own, and as a last resort they can default. So they should just tell the IMF to go to hell.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:23 PM
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9. Except they can't, really.
As long as they're on the euro, default is not an available option. But then as long as they're on the euro, neither is currency devaulation to boost exports. They'd be better off out of the single currency than in it, but at the same time Brussels isn't going to let that happen if it can be helped (because allowing the euro to collapse puts the future of the whole European integration project in question).
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:29 PM
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15. Yes I know, but if Greece were to call the EU's bluff and simply do nothing,
what could either the EU or the IMF do about it, sue them?
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:38 PM
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16. It may be that the widespread adoption of the single currency cannot be sustained
during difficult economic times.

It seems that the Euro acts like an enhanced Deutsche Mark. Hooking a country to the D-Mark might work in countries whose economy is so intertwined with Germany's that for that country, having a separate currency wouldn't make any difference anyway.

In addition, the current use of the Euro/D-Mark in Germany and in weaker countries effectively allows Germany to export using a devalued currency, and helps Germany keep its very large trade surplus.

Perhaps Greece could be firm and exit the Eurozone, adopt the Drachma and then declare bankruptcy.

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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:31 PM
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10. Not so bad, maybe we could dump California on the Chinese. n/t
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:57 PM
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11. Only if they take Arizona too.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:16 PM
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14. Only if we can subdivide it.
Tucson and Flagstaff are worth keeping, but the parking lot in the middle of the state is totally worth selling.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:01 PM
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12. I just read that the EU is extorting 6% interest from Ireland for a loan the EU got at 2%.
The EU--such a promising development at one time--has turned out to be the mafia.

I'm not sure what the solution is. I think smaller countries NEED to band together for collective protection and economic/political clout. I have applauded them for doing so in organizations like UNASUR (South America) and ALBA (Central America/Caribbean) but Europe is evidencing the hazards. I suppose that STRICT REGULATION OF BANKS ought to be a requirement of membership and an enforcement duty of the over-arching organization, for starters, rather than the banksters running things.

The United States has also evidenced some of the hazards of "union" especially as the federal government has become so autocratic (Patriot Act, "war on terra," "war on drugs," war on Iraq, war on Afghanistan, vast secrecy) in the current era, so corporate/war profiteer dominated (trillions looted from federal and state treasuries), and so remote from the interests and will of most Americans. All balance has been lost between local power and federal power. All are ruled by transglobal corporate/war profiteer power, with the federal government as the enforcer.

I'm reminded of a decision of our Founders, which may have seemed benign at the time but has grown into our modern nightmare of Corporate Rule. Thomas Jefferson thought that the chartering of business corporations ought best to be left to the states--closer to the power of the people. He feared the power of business corporations even then, when they were not considered "persons" and could be, and were, easily de-chartered--and were considered merely temporary associations to accomplish some public good. Our Founders had the example of the British East India as to the evils of national/corporate-joined power. De-centralization--and having many small business corporations in competition with each other, each regulated by democratically-run local/state governments, seemed best, at the time. And it may well contain the seed of reform, since the public's right, through state governments, to charter corporations remains on the books. Theoretically, a populist state attorney general could start attacking Corporate Rule by de-chartering and dismantling these monstrosities--what were once local business corporations grown into transglobal conglomerates--charter by charter, a movement that might spread from state to state.

What Jefferson didn't reckon on was the monstrous growth of both federal power and predatory capitalism which have simply run right over the powers of the states to charter corporations and regulate business. Nor did he reckon on "globalisation"--U.S.-taxpayer funded, U.S.-grown corporations now headquartered in Dubai or Singapore or powerful banksters in Europe or China dictating to the U.S., nor mechanisms like the WTO, the IMF and the World Bank also dictating to everyone for the benefit of a multinational rich elite. The power of the states to do anything about the particular octopus arm of a corporation like Chevron, or Exxon Mobil, or BP, or Bank of America or Citigroup, or Blue Shield, or multinational logging or retail corporations, or outsourcers of jobs, etc., has been completely stripped away, by the power of these entities to corrupt state political leaders but most of all by the powers of the president, the congress and the supreme court, ever acting to bolster transglobal corporate power that is not accountable to anyone, nor even loyal to any country or people.

A collection of smaller entities--states or countries--CAN act to counter the power of "organized money" (as FDR called it) but they, a) have to stick together, and b) find the ways to keep the collective, over-arching institution (the EU, the U.S. federal government) accountable to its members. How difficult a matter that is can be seen in the EU's treatment of Greece and Ireland, and in the U.S. government's treatment of the people of the Gulf Coast in relation to BP.
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