Pope: Love must defeat terrorism

[Chicago Democrat]

Sunday, April 11, 2004 Posted: 1:33 PM EDT (1733 GMT)

VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul told the world in his Easter message Sunday that a culture of love had to defeat terrorism and the "logic of death" and revenge in Iraq, the Holy Land and other places where conflict reigns.

"May the culture of life and love render vain the logic of death," the 83-year-old pope declared to thousands of pilgrims in St Peter's Square, Rome, and to millions watching on TV.

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He called for governments and international institutions to overcome the troubles afflicting people around the globe and work for a more peaceful world order -- stressing the Holy Land in particular.

"May world leaders be confirmed and sustained in their efforts to resolve satisfactorily the continuing conflicts that cause bloodshed in certain regions of Africa, Iraq and the Holy Land," he said.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/11/pope.sunday/index.html

[TahitiNut]

1. It's too bad so many are deaf to this sanity.

;(

[kalian]

2. What's worse....

is that many of the repuke fundies actually believe that "god"
chose shrub...ergo, what the Pope states is pure blasphemy... :eyes:

[The Traveler]

5. I know several Christians

who are seriously wonder is Bush is not the anti-christ. I myself don't think he's that significant in the scheme of things, but it makes for interesting conversation.

[kalian]

7. It sure as hell does....

but, given that I am an atheist...the only thing that I can state
about shrub is that he's a madman surrounded by equally insane
people.

We need to get him out...now.

[The Traveler]

11. I'm not an atheist

But folk of different belief structure can arrive at similar conclusions if they are rational and good hearted, which most atheists of my acquaintance are. Therefore, it it easy for me to say I agree with you completely in this matter.

Except that you left out "stupid". While capable of a certain malicious cleverness and possessed of a natural talent for obfuscating the truth of things, these megalomanial ass-clowns simply aren't all that bright. Verily, they are not the sharpest tools in the box.

[kalian]

13. Sure, they're "stupid" as well...

but just plan being "mad" means that they have no cognitive
ability for rational thought.
But, I'm with ya. :toast:

[The Traveler]

23. Raising a glass back at ya

:toast:

[ithacan]

10. bush as anti-christ

check out these links:

George W. Bush: Antichrist?
http://www.konformist.com/2000/bushjr666.htm

"... and the Beast's name will be three 6's. Wisdom is needed here..."

Book of Revelation Chapter 13, Para 18.

In the thirteenth chapter of the Apocalypse it is written, "This calls for wisdom. Let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast: it represents a human name. And the number in question is 666. With intelligence, illumined by the light of the divine Wisdom, one can succeed in deciphering from the number, 666, the name of a man and this name, indicated by such a number is that of the Antichrist."

G-E-O-R-G-E

W-A-L-K-E-R

B-U-S-H-J-R

BUSH JR 666

(The original German spelling of "B U S H" is really "B U S C H E".)

G-E-O-R-G-E

W-A-L-K-E-R

B-U-S-C-H-E

666

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Here are a couple of other pieces:

http://www.jamesglaser.org/2002/p20020719.html

http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020412.htm

[The Traveler]

12. Yeah, like I said

It does make for interesting conversation.

[Chicago Democrat]

4. I love this Pope, his peace efforts in the world negate any

problems I have with Catholic positions on abortion, homosexuality and women's rights. When it comes to world politics, he is so right on.

[FlemingsGhost]

8. abortion, homosexuality & women's rights are world politics

Where there is love, there is tolerance.

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[Chicago Democrat]

17. yeah but its the Pope of the Catholic Church a more or less

conservative entity by nature. So we need to look at where he's broken with the past and not so much where he's stuck in the past. Especially looking at from the outside. I totally appreciate and share your frustration on those issues... but I say on the big issues of war and peace and social justice, this Pope is way ahead nearly all of his predecessors.

[0007]

21. Paul O'Neill had it right, 'eh? Richard A. Clarke just articulated

the madness of junior and his crime cabal. Waiting another day for this madness to end is like a thousand years. "Oh please let it be just a dream!

[0007]

3. The Holy See is speaking to you junior!

You must stand up like a man now and remove yourself from the Shadow of your lying stupid father and do the right thing junior.

You must quite lying and stealing and slithering around with those nasty vipers.

God is speaking to you junior through the Pope, be a leader not a failure. "Bring the troops home"

[thebigidea]

6. I had a momentary bout of faux dyslexia and read that as...

Courtney Love: Pope Must Defeat Terrorism

[Earth_First]

9. Love will conquor all...

ssia

[mobuto]

14. Popes weren't always peaceniks

Just ask Julius II.

[mobuto]

15. Popes weren't always peaceniks

Just ask Julius II.

[Voltaire99]

16. The truly radical idea: love

Leaving aside his eagerness to impose Catholicism's vicious views on reproductive freedom and gay rights, the Pope is right on this one.

Hokey as it sounds, love is the necessary alternative. The US could cease its economic exploitation of much of the world; pull its imperial armies out of the hundreds of bases used to enforce those economic policies; end its support of vicious regimes; cease its illegal occupations; share its vast wealth with the needy; and use its vast power for the ends of mercy, charity, social justice.

Yes, and angels will fly out of George W. Bush's ass sometime soon, too. (They'll look like miniature Karl Roves.) But the struggle against the Bushes of this world is one reason you want to be on the side of love.

[nolabels]

22. Not against the Idea, but in culture driven by hormones............

One must stop and consider that words don't always mean the same thing to all people. Eskimos have many words just for English one of "snow"

The way English language has this way of winnowing down words to a precise definition is a handicap and a tool.

A secret I heard on the radio the other day, is some interpretation of what Jesus was meaning with the phrase "love your enemy". The secret being the word "love" would be the same as taking one fears away. This technique can be used on any creature with a central nervous system with great success. The biggest problem being one must be able to lay down any discernible evidence that they also have any in the long or short term.

http://www.theagelesswisdom.com/home.html
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War, like all violence, is born of fear. The passion for liberty — to escape from tyranny and freely go your own way — is very different from the fear needed to defeat, conquer, or eradicate. Yet, the same fearful drive to eliminate or destroy whoever seems to oppose us is also apparent in agriculture and medicine. We are not only willing to poison our food, water and the earth itself in a futile attempt to kill-off all blight and pestilence, we also consume powerful antibiotics that wipe out the entire spectrum of beneficial flora and fauna required by a healthy, balanced immune system.

In each case, there is a primitive instinct at work — "if it's diverse and antagonistic, kill it." The alternative, of course, is to recognize the mutual benefits in balance and harmony, trust, respect, and charity.

Unity, strength, and safety is born of diversity not homogeny. Therefore, diversity must be embraced, not merely tolerated. Life demands it as evidenced by the fact that, in all three instances — war, agriculture, and health care — attempts to eliminate the adversaries result in even more resistant strains rising up in search of an integrated balance.
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http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/5/5-1293.html
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Counting Eskimo Words for Snow

The number of Eskimo words for snow is often referred to in the debate over whether thought depends on language and how language defines our thoughts. It is said that because the Eskimos have a greater number of words for snow than exist in the English language they must think differently about snow.

Certainly languages tend to define reality differently - as "river" and "stream" in English define size, while "fleuve" and "riviere" in French describe whether or not the river meets the sea . Similarly do we define a buttercup as a "weed" with all its negative connotations or a flower with its positive ones. Is the criterion "wildness" or "beauty"? How might this categorisation differ in other languages - and how then might other language speakers perceive things differently?

The theory, based on the Sapir-Wharf hypothesis, and originating in the work of Boas and of Whorf, has its merits, although there is a view that it is as likely that language depends on and reflects thought as much as thought depends on language.

The purpose of the following information is to clarify the rather glib assumption that there are large numbers of Eskimo words for snow and base it on fact rather than assumption. It is also a challenging task to decide on the definition of the meaning of "word."
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[hyphenate]

18. I think someone

should check to see if the Pope is in the throes of senile dementia or Alzheimers nowadays.

[Merlin]

19. Wise words from a pope otherwise lost to ultra conservatism.

This quote is a keeper.

[Chomskyite]

20. If he means Courtney Love . . .

. . . I think he's really onto something. Just marry her to a few of them and they'll each be found dead of their own hand in no time.

[JI7]

24. yes, including love for and between gays and lesbians