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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:12 PM Original message |
Fire was likely started by illegal immigrants, Dever says |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Anything is possible, except for lightning" |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. There has been no lightning, or even significant clouds here for many months. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. I assumed that, but still, it sounds hysterical. |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. And even if it was dry lightning starting the fires |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is It an Electric Fence? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Don't whiz on the electric fence. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Even if it was started by an undocumented person, and I do not necessarily accept that it was, |
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benlurkin (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Unless they are smuggling undocumented drugs |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
67. It's a bit silly to say that a group of people defined by breaking at least one law |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. maybe a Minuteman did it. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Or dropping his Marlboro |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
57. Nah. The piss from his pants would extinguish that fire. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. This subthread is priceless. |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. I am in favor of more liberal immigration laws, but..... |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I agree. With more liberal immigration laws, |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Exactly--the same goes for the pot laws. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. everything still OK for you down there? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
68. Um no, haven't you been paying attention? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yeah! Those illegals are starting the disastrous forest fires our good legal 'Mericans could be |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
12. Gee, that's almost as convenient as that other fire. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
13. Here's the reason! |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
16. Get lots of suspicious fires when the economy gets bad. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. Sounds like a reasonable assumption to me |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yes, I agree that the sheriff made a pretty good case for *this* fire's origin |
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Springer9 (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What is Arizona Border Trash? |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. that's disgusting. This has got to stop. We need to stop the drug war & have a sane immigration |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. How old are these photos? When exactly were they taken? |
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Springer9 (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Well this is anecdotal, and I'm sure totally unrelated but |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. I think I know that van! |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Im not seeing many who claim its impossible but I am seeing many asking |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I am generally a big defender of immigrants (do a search) |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Actually thats not evidence but rather an opinion you are offering but |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. no burn/smokey the bear for 50 years |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Ah in other words the same mistakes they made with yellowstone. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. not really familiar with Yellowstone |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. It was a nationwide mistake. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
53. Are you sure it wasn't the unions? Or married gay couples? Or Michael Moore? |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Absolutely. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. A large percentage of fires around here come from people target shooting in the woods |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. Use a lot of tracers, do they? |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
22. Cool. Don't waste time investigating, just blame the brown people. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. +1 |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I think in this case the speculation is pretty well grounded. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Speculation...like when people who used to live here speculated that black |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. um, do you have any clue what the geography of the area is? |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Oh, it's the geography. I thought for a time it was people assuming |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Look, you are snarking at the wrong person |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. People are jumping to conclusions with no evidence, just speculation |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Dupe |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
69. Or conversely, don't waste time investigating, just exonerate the brown people |
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SpankMe (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. Law enforcement shouldn't speculate |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
29. ...they just can't spew enough HATE, can they? |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I know him. |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
34. Visited the Monument several times; |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. These allegations are from the Cochise County Sheriff, Larry Dever. |
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KarenS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. These allegations / speculations / musings |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. If he was referring to the Wallow Fire he was wrong. |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. He's weaseling in trying to blame illegal immigrants |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. "Hundreds of square miles of some of the most arid places in the North American continent." |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
37. But it was caused by our insane drug war, immigration and land management policies... |
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Ptah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Well said. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. true |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
52. Scapegoating - good ol' Right Wing Fascism, add the Propaganda |
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buckrogers1965 (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
54. So can anyone speculate? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. You have to speculate that the fire would have been prevented by a more liberal immigration policy. |
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Rosa Menti (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
60. Hello Fellow DUers. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Welcome to DU, Rosa! |
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Rosa Menti (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Thank you, Hissyspit |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
63. Maybe a teabagger committed arson to blame it on |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-11 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
70. On my stretch of the border (along the Rio Grande) |
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