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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:25 PM
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Pipe bomb thrown at police in Derry
Source: The Guardian

Dissident republicans are suspected to have thrown a pipe bomb at police lines during riots in Derry on Saturday night.

The Northern Ireland police service said no one was injured in the blast which happened at Free Derry Corner shortly before 7pm.

The trouble continued with petrol bombs thrown at the police in the Butcher Gate area close to the city centre.

The rioting erupted near the end of the loyalist Apprentice Boys' parade, during which 15,000 marchers and their supporters walked through the city to mark the anniversary of the 1688/89 siege.

Masked republican youths attacked police vehicleswith petrol bombs and a number of cars were also hijacked and set alight, including a woman and her daughter who were pulled from their car in the Creggan Street area. A Royal Mail van was also hijacked at Madamsbank Road and torched in Earhart Park.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/14/pipe-bomb-thrown-police-derry
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 09:31 PM
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1. Oh, please do not let the violence in Ireland begin again. That will
not be easy to stop if it does.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 09:44 PM
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2. RW is just itching to get this going in Ireland again -- we pray for peace, they pray for war!!
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:21 AM
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11. The IRA is left wing
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vercetti2021 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 09:55 PM
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3. Lord
No matter where these people are (Righties) They are all the same.
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BadtotheboneBob Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 07:46 AM
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4. These are not like 'our' republicans... and it's not 'Ireland'...
... it's 'Ulster', or Northern Ireland if you will, still part of the UK. The Irish Republic (Eire) is as peaceful as can be. These 'republicans' are primarily part of the catholic minority that believes it's fighting for Ulster's reunification with the Irish Republic, hence the name. The Apprentice Boys' parade participants (Orangemen) are protestants that are the legacy of Oliver Cromwell's genocidal subjugation of Ireland. They are of Scotch-English heritage as Cromwell allowed his soldiers land as reward for services. The catholic minority has been oppressed both economically and politically for many years by the majority. The 'Troubles', as the Irish call it, occurred almost exclusively in Ulster and not in the Republic. British soldiers still patrol Ulster and guard the border between Ulster and Eire.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:48 AM
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5. "Derry" is on the border.
The conflict itself can be seen in the Guardian's choice of the name they used to describe the place. Its official name since 1613 has been "Londonderry." The Catholics and Eire-backers still call it, "Derry."

I've seen it; it reminds me very much of Washington, DC, where the historically black parts of town are walled off by railroads, highways, and towering fences capped with barbed wire. In Derry/Londonderry's case, it's the Catholic neighborhoods that are isolated--at least I thought that's what I saw.

I want to say this, but cannot find a way to say it without almost certainly offending someone. The conflict there reminded me very, very much more of a sports rivalry than a war. I saw people whom I knew to be on opposite sides of the problem attending the same wedding, sitting at the same table, sharing beer and stories and asking after each others' kin.

They're so close to putting that whole damned thing to bed, if they can find a way to smooth out the remaining social and economic inequities that drive the most harmed to action. I hope they can do it.
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BadtotheboneBob Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 07:21 PM
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8. Ulster should be 'returned' to Eire...
... and be-damn'd to the 'Red Hand' of the UDA!
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humus Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:19 AM
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13. seem like a bunch of creeps
One of the most high profile UDA attacks came in October 1993, when three masked men attacked a restaurant called the Rising Sun in the predominantly Catholic village of Greysteel, County Londonderry, where two hundred people were celebrating Halloween. The two men entered and opened fire. Eight people, including six Catholics and two Protestants were killed and nineteen wounded in what became known as the Greysteel massacre

Following an August 2005 Sunday World article that poked fun at the gambling losses of one of its leaders, the UDA banned the sale of the newspaper from shops in areas it controls. Shops that defy the ban have suffered arson attacks, and at least one newsagent was threatened with death.<38> The Police Service of Northern Ireland began accompanying the paper's delivery vans.<39><40> The UDA was also considered to have played an instrumental role in loyalist riots in Belfast in September 2005.<[br />



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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 08:37 AM
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12. There was once a couple who had children, then seperated..
he would work with her and their visits seemed friendly enough, but at the pub he'd sometimes complain "Ah, she doesn't raise the kids right, they run wild and never do their chores..." Finally, one of his friends said, "If you're not happy with the situation, why don't you go ahead and get a divorce?"
"Don't be a fool! Think of the kids!" came the reply. "If I did that, she'd make me take custody!"


The local government district is officially "Derry" and the city council is styled "Derry City Council" altho the city is still officially Londonderry which just adds to the confusion. You're right on the sports analogy--the problem is the tendency to fall into sports hooliganism.
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steaa Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 10:52 AM
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6. There are no more soldiers on patrol. The border between NI and RoI is an open border
Edited on Sun Aug-14-11 10:53 AM by steaa
with no crossings or checkpoints. You only know when you cross the border due to the road signs and lines on the road being different.
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BadtotheboneBob Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 07:16 PM
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7. I stand corrected...
My information came from my mother's nine trips to Ireland, as a whole, including a trip down the Falls Road. It's been a while since she's last visited and I was operating on her old anecdotes. She does know the Isle very well, however. Her last two trips were alone and she rented a car and drove about, which is no small feat, considering they didn't have the highways that we are so accustomed to. Her stays were in B&B's that she stayed in previously and made friends of the owners. Sorry for the misinformation about the soldiers...
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 07:41 PM
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9. UK and Ireland are in the EU.
Must be the EU requirement for open borders.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 09:08 PM
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10. Mairead Corrigan Maguire came here and spoke about her group, Peace People,
http://www.peacepeople.com/MaireadCMaguire.htm

and the Center for Global Nonkilling http://www.nonkilling.org/

Check them out!


Mairead Corrigan Maguire founded the Community of the Peace People in 1976 along with Betty Williams and Ciaran McKeown. Mairead was the aunt of the three Maguire children who were hit by a getaway car after its driver was shot by a soldier. The deaths prompted a series of marches throughout Northern Ireland and further afield, all demanding an end to the violence. Mairead and Betty went on to win the Nobel Peace Prize in 1976.

Prior to this Mairead worked as a private secretary to the Managing Director of a major Northern Ireland firm. She was a volunteer with the Legion of Mary, a catholic lay organization, where she began her volunteer work with young people and prisoners. She was also one of the co-founders of the Committee of the Administration of Justice, a non-sectarian group heavily involved in the debate over changes in the legal system in Northern Ireland. Since receiving a Certificate in Ecumenical studies from the Irish School of Ecumenics, Mairead has continued her work with inter-church and inter-faith organizations. She is Patron of the Methodist Theological College and Northern Ireland Council for Intergrated Education.

In September, 1981, Mairead married Jackie Maguire, widower of her sister Anne, who never recovered from the loss of her children and died in January, 1980. In addition to the remaining three children from the earlier marriage -Mark, Joanne and Marie Louise - Mairead and Jackie are the parents of John and Luke.

Mairead is the recipient of numerous honours and awards, including the Norwegian People's Prize, an honorary doctorate from Yale University and Hon. Doc. University of South Korea, College of New Rochelle (NY) and special awards from Trinity College (DC) St. Michael's College (VT). She was a special honouree of the UN 'Women of Achievement' program in 1978 and of the American Academy of Achievement. In October 1990 she was named by Bishop Gerald O'Keefe to receive the 1990 'Pacem in Terris," Peace and Freedom Award in Davenport, Iowa. In June 1992 she received the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation's "Distinguished Peace Leadership Award" in California. Mairead has travelled widely in the US, New Zeland, Korea, India, Australia, Africa, Bangladesh, Japan, Israel/Palestine, and recently in Iraq. She has also visited Latin America as the guest of Nobel Laureate Aldolfo Perez Esquivel, whom she first nominated for the Peace Prize. A selection of her writings: "The vision of Peace - Faith and Hope in Northern Ireland" edited by John Dear, S.J., was recently published by Orbis Books ISBN - 1-50775-251-6
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