Evidence of 'mass execution' in Tripoli

[brooklynite]

Source: Al-Jazeera

Al Jazeera has found evidence of a possible mass execution of political activists in Libya.

Visiting a hospital in Tripoli on Thursday, Al Jazeera's James Bays said he saw the bodies of 15 men suspected to have been killed a few days earlier as the rebels closed in on the Libyan capital.

...snip...

"I have counted the bodies of 15 men we were told there were 17 here. Two bodies were taken away by relatives for burial."

"We are told these men were political activists who have been arrested over the last few days and weeks and being held near the Gaddafi compound. When the opposition fighters started to enter the compound we are told they were killed.

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/08/2011825124849190250.html

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"It's all about the oil..."

[ChandlerJr]

1. Just the price of regime change

A few reprisals on the road to freedom.

[Davis_X_Machina]

3. 40,000 extra-judicial killings...

...in France between D-Day and the end of September 1945.

Invading France was a terrible mistake.

No blood for Bordeaux!

[WhiteTara]

29. Pinochet’s updated victim figures, a staggering 40,018

Judi Lynn posted this story today http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4973756

The Chilean commission inquiring into people who suffered human rights violations under Gen. Augusto Pinochet’s 17-year evil rule between 1973 and 1990 has added another additional 9800 more victims to the list and thus the new total number of victims stands at a staggering 40,018.

He detained and tortured Chileans for political reasons by agents of the state or people at its service. Pinochet was installed to rule Chile by the champion of human rights and the promoter of democracy, the United States, displacing democratically elected Allende, whose economic reforms did not go well with the then US president Richard Nixon.

Allende decided to nationalize the copper industry and the banks to cure Chile’s economic ills the country was suffering then. He also restored diplomatic relations with Cuba and East Germany which really infuriated US president Richard Nixon. The CIA arranged for Michael V. Townley to be sent to Chile under the alias of Kenneth W. Enyart.

He was accompanied by Aldo Vera Serafin of the Secret Army Organization (SAO). The task force was assigned to remove Allende, who was elected by the Chilean people. Henry Kissinger, later admitted that Richard Nixon ordered him to organize a coup against Allende’s government. It was reported that Nixon spent 8 million dollars to destabilize Allende’s government prior to the coup to topple him and install General Augusto Pinochet. There were several other US sponsored military coups in Latin America in the 60s and 70s.

[al bupp]

6. These were likely executions by Gaddafi forces

I know of no instances of mass killing of Gaddafi forces by the opposition.

[ChandlerJr]

7. Good to know, glad we have someone on the scene.

n/t

[bvar22]

18. You "know" of no atrocities by "The Rebels"?

Well, in your favor, none are reported by the US Media,
but then WE are the ones dropping the Freedom Bombs.

Spend some time on Google.

LIBYAN REBEL WAR CRIMES: The Videos America Doesn't Want You To See
http://www.businessinsider.com/libyan-rebels-war-crimes-2011-4

Libyan Rebel Atrocities

"In the Manichean way of Western politics, the UN, followed immediately by the United States and the rest of NATO, decided that Qaddafi and his army are the Children of Darkness and the Libyan rebels are Children of Light. Thus, UNSCR 1973, that gave international political cover to NATO's bombing campaign, was directed entirely against the Qaddafi government's anticipated predations against civilians in areas under rebel control.

But the Libyan rebels are not Children of Light in any way. Set aside for now that they have significant al Qaeda ties. It still should come as no surprise that the rebels are committing atrocities themselves.}

http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2011/03/libyan-rebel-atrocities.html

Libya: Civilians victimised by rebels and loyalists in chaos stricken Tripoli
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=59168&t=Libya%3A+++Civilians+victimised+by+rebels+and+loyalists+in+chaos+stricken+Tripoli


There are hundreds more,
but don't expect THAT to be covered by the Western Media.

This WAR has been brought to you by:
The Global Banks
The IMF
The G-8
The Western Governments

Like Iraq, they want to turn Libya (and ALL of Africa) into a NeoLiberal Free Market HELL
ruled by the Global Banks, The Global Oil Corporations, and the predatory IMF.
That is a small price for a few $Billion Dollars in Freedom Bombs.

Open you eyes.
Read "Disaster capitalism" by Naomi Klein.
Study the history of US Military Interventions in the Middle East over the last 75 years.
NONE were motivated by "Democracy" or Humanitarian Concerns.
Why should THIS one be any different.
Have you forgotten Iraq so soon?
(SEE: The Iraqi Oil Law)
The Global Oils Corporations now OWN the Iraqi Oil, but YOU (WE) paid for all the Freedom Bombs withour Blood & Treasure....
Just like Libya.

”Gaddafi is the perfect villain for this Anglo-French-American farce unworthy of French playwright Georges Feydeau. For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

Even the marketing was the same.
"They" just scratched out "Saddam" and wrote in "Qaddafi".
"He is a brutal dictator who kills his own people!!!"

If you're not FOR the New OIL WAR in Libya,
you're WITH The Communists AlQaeda The Terrorists Saddam Qaddafi!!!

[tabasco]

22. These were not "reprisals."

They were executions of rebels by the Kadaffi regime.

What led you to think they were "reprisals on the road to freedom."

[pinboy3niner]

28. And they may have all been civilians

The BBC calls them "political prisoners," and the known survivor insists he's a civilian, not a rebel. He says he was picked up at a house where he was staying, and many of those held with him were picked up off the street.

[EFerrari]

2. Maybe NATO can name a bank after them. n/t

[Turborama]

4. Just the 1st of many more. There will be tons of evidence surfacing of Gaddafi's 'mass executions'.

Mark my words.

[Arctic Dave]

5. "Mass executions", Rick Perry laughs at your assumption.

"evidence of POSSIBLE mass executions". LOL. Geez, are they hiring Fox reporters now?

[brooklynite]

8. In fairness...

according to AJE's reporters, there aren't any forensic pathologists at the hospital, so it's not possible to make an official determination that they all died at the same time.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. Would you rather they make an official call without a forensics report?

If they did that they'd be no better than US cable "news."

[Arctic Dave]

11. Why call them executions then disavow the statement in the same sentence.

Could have "possibly died from pigs flying out their butt", will wait for forensic report later.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

12. Ah, I see where we differ.

You assume the use of possible was on the "execution" and I assumed it was on the "mass."

I would assume a time of death would clear up if they were all killed at the same time. As to if it appears to be executions, sometimes, depending on the means of death, that's pretty obvious. Which is why I thought the "mass" was what was in question.

However, I'm pretty sure a layman could tell if someone died from a flying pig up their ass, even without a forensic report.

[Arctic Dave]

14. Two people with automatic weapons could kill a lot of people at the same time.

Doesn't mean the were executed.

Being bound and gagged with one in the head would be pretty difinitve of an execution but that would be a very big detail missing from an article if that were the case.

[EFerrari]

15. If it was a mass execution, then I don't understand why

Gaddafi got deposed and not a free trade deal and counter-insurgency support like we give Colombia.

:sarcasm:

[Arctic Dave]

19. Ouch, that'll leave a mark. nt

[sudopod]

27. OH SNAP nt

[boppers]

32. Has the ruler in Columbia been in place over 10 years?

That seems to be a threshold.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. Or all the shots being from the same angle and in the same area, usually the head of several victims

I'm freely admitting that could very well not be the case. It just happens to be how most of the execution style killings I'm familiar with take place.

However, I can see this is about something much deeper, which I'm not privy to, by the way. So, you're wasting your time thinking you're arguing whatever your real problem with is with this situation. I'm unaware of whatever it is you're upset about. If I were to guess, judging by your ire in your reply to me, I'd think it was something about the media coverage regarding Libya. I've not engaged in any of the discussions here on that topic, so I don't know what the prevailing attitude here is at the moment.

[Turborama]

25. It's more than an article. Watch the video report at the link.

The reporter isn't a pathologist, but he was on the scene at the mortuary.

[pinboy3niner]

20. There were eyewitnesses

One told his story at the hospital yesteday:

The patient told Rashed that he was one of 25 people who had been abducted from their homes by Gadhafi forces, taken to a military barracks near Gadhafi's compound and accused of complicity with the rebels.


As the Gadhafi forces began to execute them, rebel forces began storming Bab al-Azizia, he said. The resulting confusion gave some of the captives the chance to escape, he said.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1809502&mesg_id=1809894

Ed. to add: See Post #21 for a more detailed update.

[EFerrari]

10. This is what I mean by saying AJE has been one of the worst media offenders.

But I bet the Emir is happy.

[Arctic Dave]

13. The entire episode of "awakenings" is all very suspect.

I notice nothing is reported about the abuses of the countries that are more then willing to condemn the villian du jour.

I think the jig may be up and the masses might be seeing this entire show for what it is. Tinfoily, maybe. But things seem to be strangly following a difinitive, repetitive pattern, which at second glance looks very well rehearsed and funded. I find incredible that every country involved in a coup we instantly have an expert with all the links and knowledge of the country.

[PurityOfEssence]

17. Yes, the losing sides atrocities are always exposed, not so the winners...

Also, this seems to be an awfully low threshold for using the word "mass"...

[tabasco]

23. Boohoohoo - they're being so unfair to Ol' Muammar!!!

[pinboy3niner]

21. UPDATE: Survivor tells of mass killing ('summary execution' by Gaddafi's troops)

Source: Al Jazeera

Only known survivor of summary execution carried out by Gaddafi's troops says he had no links to the rebels.



The dead men at Mitiga Hospital are hard evidence that the fall of Tripoli was not without its atrocities. (Evan Hill)


Evan Hill in Libya Last Modified: 25 Aug 2011 14:08

...


As machine gun and artillery fire engulfed at the compound across the street, the captors marched Hadi and the other men into the street at gunpoint. They were lined up with the walls of the Bab al-Aziziya behind them as the sounds of the regime’s downfall split the air.


Then Gaddafi’s gunmen opened fire, spraying a barrage of bullets into their captives’ heads, necks and chests.


Hadi collapsed into a pile of shuddering bodies, his shoulder, hand and right thigh shattered by bullets. Another prisoner escaped, Hadi said, and the murderers fled. As of Thursday, there had been no arrests or any known investigation into the grisly killing.

...


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/08/2011825124015933314.html

[Turborama]

24. Thanks for the update. Remember this?

I wonder how long before we find out what really went on that morning: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4758707&mesg_id=4758834

:hi:

[Turborama]

26. The BBC's John Simpson reports on the 'last crimes' of the Gaddafi regime (Video)

Here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14674390

[pinboy3niner]

33. Here are two more reports from Thursday:

More than 120 believed killed by Gaddafi mercenaries in Tripoli's Mansoura district


This disturbing report by Channel 4's International Editor Lindsey Hilsum includes reports of three civilians who were beaten, then shot in the head and left to die on the sreet after they approached a government checkpoint carrying the rebel flag.


At another Gaddafi stronghold, the sports center next door where Gaddafi supporters would gather, Hilsum finds a "patch of blood on the ground and and a terrible smell," and hears reports of a refrigerated truck found there with bodies inside.


And a local resident of the district, Munir El Gouila, tells of being held prisoner and watching in horror as mercenaries killed at least 20 soldiers and more than 100 prisoners in their cells with gunfire and grenades. Munir managed to escape with his brother, and he can barely manage to tell the story through his tears.


"What happened here," Hilsum says, "will never be forgotten."


Watch the video report (3:21):
http://bcove.me/t14o3mgg

Children 'among 180 slaughtered'

By Andrew Gilligan, The Daily Telegraph August 25, 2011


A group of about 180 civilian prisoners, seven of them children, were massacred by Gadhafi forces earlier this week, one of the survivors has told The Daily Telegraph.


The slaughter took place on Tuesday at the al-Yarmouk military base in the suburbs of Tripoli, according to the survivor, Abdulatti Musbah Haleem.


Gadhafi troops and Tuareg mercenary fighters attacked a group of 200 prisoners with rifles, machine guns and hand-grenades, he said, leaving the bodies on the ground.

...


http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Children+among+slaughtered/5308114/story.html#ixzz1W6mS0fA0

[happyslug]

30. What do you do with Prisoners that are about to fall into the other sides hands?

The US addressed this issue in the early years of the Korean War, we left (And supported) the Government of South Korea in their execution of prisoners being held for being communists. The North Koreans did the same as their retreated, through this was of American POWs (many such POWs were found after being shot, bit propaganda blitz on this in the US at that time, while forgetting about the fact the South Korean Government had done the same eariler in the war).

Further back in History, King Henry V of England started to kill his French Prisoners just before he won the Battle of Agincourt (On the grounds Henry did NOT want them to rejoin the French Army he was fighting).

In fact one of the few arguments in favor of the Death Penalty is situation where Life Imprisonment of a traitor who had murder someone in an attempt to take over a government can NOT be guarantee on the grounds that the people who support the same side as such a Murder can also get in power and release such a Murder. Yes, the US Federal Government has NEVER sentenced anyone to Death for Treason (John Brown after his attack on Harper's Ferry was convicted in STATE Court of Treason and executed, the Rosenbergs of the 1950s were executed for Espionage NOT Treason).

Sorry, what do you do with such prisoners? You do NOT want to them to reinforce the enemy you are fighting, but you can no longer hold them to prevent them from doing so. The smart plan is just to release them, as unorganized members of the opposition such people tend to be ineffective in the first place, but such thinking require someone who is thinking not just reacting to what is happening around him. In most cases the people in charge are facing something that can be reduced to a bad choice, release the prisoners, which the Guards have been ordered NEVER TO DO, to kill them, which the Guards have been told to do IF THE PRISONERS TRY TO ESCAPE. The prisoners being freed by someone else is NOT is the guards training and people tend to do as their are trained, and the closing thing to the prisoners being freed by outside forces, is the prisoners escaping and the training the Guards have is to STOP such prison escapes even if that means they have to shoot the prisoners. Thus in almost all cases such prisoners are Executed.

Please note, there are some notable exceptions to this rule, during the US Civil War, as Sherman was marching through Georgia, one of the Local Southern POWs camp was in the area of Sherman's troops. The Commander of the POW camp paroled the POWs and told them to go see Sherman.

Another example is of the Japanese Commander of Santo Tomas POW camp in the Philippines (where American Nurses were also being kept as POWs) when American troops came to the Camp, made an offer to the American Forces arriving at the camp, if the Americans would leave him get to Japanese lines, he would turn the POWs over to the Americans, otherwise he was going to kill them. The offer was accepted and the Japanese marched out of the Camp as the American marched in. The Former POWs were then sent home (The prison guards were NOT so lucky, most were killed within hours of leaving the POW camp).

This are notable exceptions to the rule of killing prisoners. The norm is what South Korea did to its Communist Prisoners in the early days of the Koran War, what the North Koreans did as they retreated northward after the American landing at Inchon, and what Henry V did at Agincourt. It is an old practice and one it takes someone who is thinking to do, not someone who is reacting to events as is the norm in most such killings.

The Incident in regards to the Japanese POW Camp is to the release of the Santo Tomas Camp.
http://gawler.homestead.com/RescueCamp.html

Camp Florence, the camp closed down by the Confederacy and the Prisoner paroled to the North as Sherman marched through Georgia:
http://www.civilwar.n2genealogy.com/pow/sc-florence.html

[Turborama]

31. Libya: Doctor Sees 'Mass Execution' Victims

A doctor in Libya has told Sky News how he witnessed the bloody aftermath of an alleged mass execution by Colonel Gaddafi's troops.

Dr Moez said he was working in a hospital on the Matiga airbase, in east Tripoli, when a truck full of bullet-riddled bodies turned up outside.

He said one of the survivors told them that they had been captured by Col Gaddafi's troops, held in a school for several days and then executed.

If the allegations are true, evidence of the injuries collected by Dr Moez and his colleagues could be used in any war crimes trial, if Col Gaddafi is ever found and brought to court.

More details and video report: http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16056469