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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 06:59 PM Original message |
Reid triggers ‘nuclear option’ to change rules, prohibit filibusters |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just waiting for Dick Durbin to apologize and start crying on the Senate floor |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. You won't have to wait long...he'll be blubbering by noon Friday. |
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occupy_wall_street (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
48. INVITATION TO WALL STREET -- for Saturday at 11 AM at Liberty Park @ Red Cube corner |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Wish I can kick your comment |
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occupy_wall_street (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Thank you. |
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donquijoterocket (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. second that |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
75. K&R! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #48 |
81. kr |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. From The Plum Line: This only applies after cloture so you have to have 60 votes to get here. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Thanks. More details |
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groundloop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. EVERYONE - before you get all excited READ THE ARTICLE |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Yeah, they can do away with that on the first day of a new congress. |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. Finally - Why Didn't They Do This Sooner ....... |
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PuffedMica (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Why didn't Senator Reid do this in 2009 when our President took office? |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Somebody wanted to try bipartisanship. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #44 |
67. Possibly because the longer one stays in the Senate, the more it becomes like a religion, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
82. kr |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
105. Because they needed excuses for the pro-corporate health bill... |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
50. Christ sakes alive ... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good it's overdue |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. What we really need is a constitutional amendment that limits the number of seats a party can hold |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. It won't happen because it shouldn't happen |
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GaltFreeDiet (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. No, states with less than 5 electoral votes should get only one senator |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
41. The original small colonies objected to such a thing. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
64. it's an absurd system |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #64 |
79. The two chamber structure functioned well in the 13 original states. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
109. if you're going to keep the system as is |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 02:31 AM Response to Reply #109 |
120. I'm all for ending the filibuster. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. "War" |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
106. Gerrymandering is indeed ridiculous |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
121. No. |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
93. What? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Its just my opinion though (assuming I'm still allowed to have such a thing) |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 12:33 AM Response to Reply #99 |
118. You're allowed |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Then the dems and republicans would have to actually learn to work in a timely manner to pass stuff. |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
39. If we do it that way.. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
90. However, the Senate would still largely work |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
52. The Senate is already disproportionate in representation |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
89. You have misunderstood its purpose |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
111. Oh, I understand that... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I agree that the big, populous states could stand to be split |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Actually, I think that would be relatively easy |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
94. This is not abolishing the filibuster ... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
108. They still have the filibuster |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's about time, Senator Reid. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. Fucking brilliant! If this is true, and Dems remain united in drafting/voting on legislation, |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. Not wise, in my opinion. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I know its, deja vue all over again. |
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Laf.La.Dem. (924 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
86. You are right !! |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. precisely |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
10. Kind of dumb to do it now. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yep |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Most likely. The attitude toward the filibuster is directly related to which party controls |
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toddwv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
62. That's normally true... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
83. Except that Dems hadn't used it to do what the Repugs have done with it -- that I recall????? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. I disagree. I dont think it was dumb to wait, the dems kept offering for the most part reasonable |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Yes but we've had to suffer them for years. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. No. |
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Firebrand Gary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Yes, however there are 7 reliable Republican votes to invoke cloture. This is a big step. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Seven? |
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Firebrand Gary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Lugar, McCain and Graham are going to raise a few eyebrows I think. |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Eh ... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
57. My feelings exactly. nm |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. Its about time. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
16. Good. Don't pull back, Harry. |
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gmee2 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
71. filibuster is not unconstitutional.... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
95. I think there's a strong argument that it is unconstitutional as well. |
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gmee2 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. that is not an argument because filibuster is about |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
101. Where is filibuster mentioned in the Constitution? |
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gmee2 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #101 |
125. The cloture vote if anything is unconstitutional |
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rtracey (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
103. not in the constitution |
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gmee2 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #103 |
126. You are correct |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
19. Would love to have seen the look on McConnell's face! |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Just imagine a pig's ass, with the sides turned up. |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You have captured the essence of McConnell |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. I never realized that it's possible to insult a pig's ass. I ROFL corrected. n/t |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I never realized that it's possible to insult a pig's ass. I ROFL corrected. n/t |
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tropicanarose (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
73. LOL! |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Here's a link to a video |
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red dog 1 (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
27. Way to go Harry! |
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Lucretius (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
28. Filibuster? What filibuster? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
61. It's post-cloture delays being done away with, not filibusters. nt |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
29. About-Fucking-Time. |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
30. not impressed |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
31. Give 'Em HELL |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
32. Reid breaks out the big guns for the People's Republic of China |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
38. Good! Let's get on with it! |
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Rochester (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
40. This is going to come back to bite us in the ass... |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Are you kidding? They've been biting our ass left & right?!?!!! |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
42. Finally! Understand now? Fight the fight for the people! K&R |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
47. I am ready to kiss all super majority requirements good bye. Let the majority be fully |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
84. And take new "Super Congress" with it --- !!! |
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BigD_95 (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
49. So Reed uses the ‘nuclear option’ for amendments to China currency legislation |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
85. Wow - - !!! |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
53. Title is very misleading. Doesn't prohibit filibusters |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. ... which means the Dems will never be able to filibuster in the future ... |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Absolutely. This sets a precedent. When the shoe is on the other foot,(as it will be some day), |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Good grief. Do you honestly think the Republicons worry about precedence? |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
98. They DID need it several years ago, but didn't use it. Remember the "Gang of 14"? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
115. You are comparing "several Bush judicial appointments" as the same as over one hundred |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
59. Wait??? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Reid did away with post-cloture delays. nt |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
60. I already heard grumbling from the MSM how bad this was. Funny, the MSM didn't have a problem when |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
65. He could have done this Jan 5th without the 'drama' |
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madville (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. He was fighting this very thing from 2002-2006 |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
66. Day late and a dollar short. |
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groundloop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
70. MISLEADING TITLE - THIS DOESN'T END FILIBUSTERS !!! |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Will this help the Jobs Bill? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
72. I expect Reid to go back to business as usual after applying this to a single bill |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Yeppers. |
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gmee2 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
77. better not loose the Senate in 2012 |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
87. The elections are coming, the elections are coming! |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
88. HOLY SHIT BATMAN!!!!!! Reid has a spine!?!?!?!?!?!? |
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Progressive dog (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
91. why is this shocking? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
92. Hmmph... |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
100. bad move, what happens if republicans regain the majority? |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
102. Condition Orange! |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
104. Just curious... |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. the term "filibuster" refers to ANY delaying tactic |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Thank you and I was thinking "Mr. Smith goes to Washington." |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
110. Reid and the Democrats are going to regret this. Also, it does not get rid |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. "All amendments must be relevant to the debate" |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. You are kidding, right? Do you know why this was such a big deal? Because |
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marasinghe (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
117. at this point, i'll take anything that puts the repukes in a snarling frenzy. |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
123. FINALLY the leadership is bringing "heavy artillery" to defend against the repuke blitz |
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