U.S. aims to "unite the world" against Iran

[IDemo]

Source: CBS/AP


WASHINGTON - The Obama administration plans to leverage charges that Iran plotted to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States into a new global campaign to isolate the Islamic republic.

"It's critically important that we unite the world in the isolation of and dealing with the Iranians," Vice President Joe Biden said on "The Early Show" Wednesday. "That's the surest way to be able to get results."

U.S. officials say the administration will lobby for the imposition of new international sanctions as well as for individual nations to expand their own penalties against Iran based on allegations that Iranian agents tried to recruit a purported member of a Mexican drug cartel to kill the Saudi envoy on American soil.

Biden also said that U.S. action against Iran could go beyond sanctions, but added that "we're not going there yet."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/12/national/main20119095.shtml

[slackmaster]

1. I've been on board with "Fuck Iran" for a long time

:kick:

[IDemo]

2. I'm with you on fuck the PTB in Iran

It's too bad that the people who made attempts at an uprising and were brutally put down will bear the cost of any military action, if it comes to that.

[spooked911]

3. what does that mean?

I hope you're not advocating military action

[slackmaster]

25. I mean it in more of a passive way, like withholding of largess

HTH

[waddirum]

9. please elaborate

Are you volunteering to go to Iran to do the fucking yourself? Or are you advocating for U.S. military intervention, resulting in other people's children doing the dirty work?

[slackmaster]

24. Please refer to reply #23

Welcome to DU.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. Oh, yeah those Saudis need our support

Good grief. I hate the saudis worse than Iran
and I can't stand Iran.


John McCain is that you?

[slackmaster]

23. If they or any other two groups want to kill each other off, I have no problem with it as long as...

...they do it on their own soil.

[LanternWaste]

27. And as long as it's their own

And as long as it's their own children and families dying of violence and hunger rather than the more 'civilized' nations... :shrug:

Those magical, woo-woo-ish, imaginary red and blue lines on a map are rather wonderful tools, helping us all to better rationalize to ourselves when collateral damage is acceptably and when it's not.

[slackmaster]

28. I divide the world's problems into two very distinct, separate groups...

Ones I can do something about, and ones I can't do anything about.

I sometimes refer to specific problems within these groups as "my problem" or "not my problem" respectively.

[cpwm17]

31. That's really liberal of you

It's nice that you hold the those savages in such low regard, after all of the wars that they've started in recent history: like that war, er, no...... Well there must have been some war, no?

[slackmaster]

39. One of us referred to people as "savages" in this thread

And it wasn't me.

[cpwm17]

41. That was implied in your odious comment

You don't seem to think much of them as human beings.

[slackmaster]

46. My problem is with their barbaric, backward, misogynist, racist culture

Not with the people themselves. I think their culture should be eliminated, or at least modernized. It doesn't fit in the current world.

[No Elephants]

51. Our culture has certainly been known to be barbaric, misogynistic and racist, too.

[In Other News]

55. Israel must be defended.....

Or else you'll all go to Hell. It's true. Netanyahu told me.

[Ignis]

42. So you don't support intervention in cases of genocide, for example?

Well that's...interesting.

[slackmaster]

47. If one group is killing another, then it's genocide and I support intervening to stop it

Two groups involved in attempted MUTUAL annihilation is just a fight, and unless my country has some skin in the game I say let them fight.

The conflict between religious factions that underlies the crime conspiracy being discussed in this thread has nothing to do with genocide. I suggest reading more carefully before you reply.

[Ignis]

48. You're splitting hairs. We often don't recognize genocide until too late.

vide Rwanda, Kosovo, etc.

[Nihil]

16. Yeah, we've noticed ...

... yet you're still here ...
:shrug:

[slackmaster]

19. You think agreeing with the President is grounds for banning

I see.

[Nihil]

44. The Bush doctrine of "pre-emptive war" is not something to be admired ...

... yet you continue to do so, year after year, sovereign nation
after sovereign nation ...

I somehow doubt that you do "see".

[No Elephants]

50. Actually, the President has not been on board with "Fuck Iran" for a long time.

Not during his 2008 campaign, for example.

[spooked911]

4. this is dumb

how about an olive branch, instead?

[slackmaster]

26. Plotting to commit a heinous mass murder on our soil doesn't call for an olive branch

Maybe lunch at Olive Garden.

[cpwm17]

33. Learning from past history, one should remain very skeptical of these claims

You don't need to be a conspiracy nut to doubt US Government claims such as these: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/10/11/iranian-terror-plot-fake-fake-fake/

[No Elephants]

52. Did you catch them in the act? And don't forget the babies in the incubators!

[Scottybeamer70]

5. Well, that's one way to take the spotlight off the protests.

How many times can they lie to start a war? I guess as many times as they want.
"allegations"..........seems to be a familar word.......there were also "allegations"
that Iraq had wmd's.
Iran and Saudia Arabia are friends, so exactly why would they want to kill the
ambassador? And why would they want to do it on American soil? That makes
absolutely no sense. They are very aware that the US is always looking for an
excuse to bomb someone, and I'm pretty sure they realize what that outcome might be.
But, of course, if there was a WAR, then all the problems this country is facing at
the moment, would all have to be ignored while we go and kill people based on
someone's "allegations"................I'm not buying it this time either!!!

[mod mom]

34. start a new war...no thanks. How about end the ones we already

are involved in.

[sinkingfeeling]

6. But the USA is free to assassinate an American citizen on foreign soil, right?

[Xithras]

12. American citizens. Foreign citizens. Pretty much whoever the f**k we want.

Laws are for thee, not for me.

[lutefisk]

13. The hypocrisy of this administration is worthy of the Bush/Cheney administration. Well done...n/t

[tcaudilllg]

7. Shades of Vietnam

[waddirum]

8. I call bullshit on the whole thing

The U.S. government's credibility is 0. Forget trying to "unite the world". Fool me twice and all that...

Wars and rumors of wars.

[desertrat777]

11. War is addictive - a cutesy poem

War war war! Let's march to the fife and drum!
If we blow our horns loud enough
The war chest will sooner come.
Let's send more kids to the killing field
And buy stock in the MIC,
Because the more weapons our nation wields
The more money will come to me me me!

On a more sober note, we can no longer assume that what we hear from our government, including VP Joe Biden, is actually true. Take a look at how we were tricked into invading Afghanistan and Iraq, as if we really had a choice in the matter. They were going to do it anyway. The war machine - the war industry - is always hungry, no matter how fat it becomes.

The Art of War, a venerable old Chinese guide, is actually anti-war, listing warfare as a last resort, when all else fails. The first resort is to maintain friendly relations with other countries. How about that!

How about turning our swords into plowshares, like the Bible says? For example, someone recently said that the way to win the "war on terror" is to stop fighting it. In other words, when we quit being the world's biggest bully, people from nations that we have stepped on will no longer be interested in retaliating. Just remember, the French Resistance was and is seen as heroic because they were on our side. To the Nazis, they were terrorists. To us, they were simply doing the right thing, defending their country. Of course, playing devil's advocate, violence is wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right. Still, when a thief breaks into your house and robs you and rapes your wife, you are going to defend yourself. That is different from terrorism, isn't it?

Sure, Afghanistan and Iraq haven't yet quite broken our country, although the devastation from the diverted funds is quite evident everywhere. So let's add another unwinnable war and make sure we as a nation go down in flames like the old USSR.

[ronnie624]

14. Bizarro World

Anyone who believes Iran is a bigger "terror threat" than the United States, can be made to believe just about anything. A simple examination of history shows conclusively that the U.S. government is responsible for a FAR, FAR greater number of civilian deaths. I mean it isn't even close.

How on earth does one conclude otherwise? :shrug:

Sometimes my fellow species members are just fucking weird.

[Nihil]

15. I've seen that movie already ...

... and it doesn't get any better with a different "director's cut" ...

Team America F*ck Yeah!

:patriot: :puke:

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[Poll_Blind]

18. Don't they mean "Unite world to accept Israeli strike on Iran"?

:shrug:

PB

[Blue_Tires]

20. I don't get it...WHERE are the Saudi/Israeli officials saying

"Butt out, USA; we'll take care of this ourselves?"

[No Elephants]

53. I wonder if Kuwait still owes us money for Desert Storm?

[krabigirl]

21. Yawn. Tired of wars.

[NuttyFluffers]

22. how convenient.

:dilemma: :think:

a very public state sanctioned assassination on american soil? harder target, huge diplomatic blowback risk -- but absolutely NOT an idiot lone wolf production? ...

... qui bono?

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[JustAnotherGen]

30. That's dumb

And much as I adore President Obama and VP Biden - they really shouldn't be wasting any time on this right now. If indeed it's true - then it's a Saudi/Mexican/Iranian issue that needs to be resolved amongs them. NOT with our military personnel.

[Chan790]

32. The US should instead be aiming to "unite the world" against the banking cabal.

Iran is Iran...twenty years from now, they'll be China. We'll be buddies and propping up each others' economies.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. Chimp II: Electric Boogaloo

:argh:

[Fool Count]

36. They better stick with what they do best, because it comes more naturally to them,

uniting the World against the USA.

[AverageJoe90]

37. Good for Biden,

But please, no more ground wars.

[cpwm17]

40. What?

So you support unprovoked slaughter against the Iranians for some bogus charges?

I'm sure the Iranians would just lay down and take it.

[AverageJoe90]

45. Didn't you read me saying, 'No More Ground Wars'?

I don't want innocent Iranians to be killed..........

[Romulox]

38. I am reminded of an old song...

[Ignis]

43. Someone had better get on the phone with Poland to join this Coalition!

:banghead:

[harun]

49. Well that's a 10/10 on the stupid scale.

[Bragi]

54. Because we know how globally unifying the U.S can be /nt

[PassingFair]

56. Isolate, then OBLITERATE!

Our SOS must be thrilled!

[ocpagu]

57. A global campaign to isolate Iran?

The US better be worried about isolating itself. "Uniting the world" against Iran will never happen. It's time for the US to update the general lines of its foreign policy. It seems like the last administrations haven't realized what everybody else in the world already has: US international credibility in anything related to the middle east or "terrorism" is ZERO. Iran is a very important player and crucial to counter-balance Western/Israel influence in the middle east. Apart from UK and some small countries willing to exchange their young soldiers lives for a few dollars, nobody will join your crusade, Obama.

[Taverner]

58. Like we "united the world" against Iraq?

[fascisthunter]

59. yet the US itself is globally despised because of their foreign policies towards other countries

really stupid illogical people running the show here.

[USA_1]

60. Bogus Assassination Plot

Even the pro war NY Times has expressed great skepticism over this totally unproven allegation.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

61. persian food is delicious. nt

[DeSwiss]

62. Not long ago I would be worried about stuff like this.

But I don't let such ignorance and hate shown toward our fellow humans on this planet worry me anymore. Not since I came to understand that it's all about to come to an end.

- And not a moment too soon.....

What civilization is, is 6 billion people trying to make themselves happy by standing on each other's shoulders and kicking each other's teeth in. It's not a pleasant situation. And yet, you can stand back and look at this planet and see that we have the money, the power, the medical understanding, the scientific know-how, the love and the community to produce a kind of human paradise. But we are led by the least among us - the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary. We are led by the least among us and we do not fight back against the dehumanizing values that are handed down as control icons.

This is something, culture is not your friend. Culture is for other people's convenience and the convenience of various institutions, churches, companies, tax collection schemes, what have you. It is not your friend. It insults you. It disempowers you. It uses and abuses you. None of us are well treated by culture.

Yet we glorify the creative potential of the individual, the rights of the individual. We understand the felt-presence of experience is what is most important. But the culture is a perversion. It fetishizes objects, creates consumer mania, it preaches endless forms of false happiness, endless forms of false understanding in the form of squirrelly religions and silly cults. It invites people to diminish themselves and dehumanize themselves by behaving like machines - meme processors of memes passed down from Madison Avenue and Hollywood...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYB0VW5x8fI&feature=player_embedded">~Terence McKenna

[BlueIris]

63. Can't cleave to power with anything legitimate? Then it's WAR!!!

Loser.

[roamer65]

64. The Iranians must be getting close to a nuclear bomb.

[roamer65]

65. Oooo...guess what went operational last month?

The Bushehr nuclear power station...hmmm.