A Top Senate Dem Says Iran Plot May Be Act Of War

[Purveyor]

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

(10-12) 10:55 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

The chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee says the alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States may be an act of war against the U.S.

Sen. Carl Levin says he wants to study the implications of using the term before deciding it applies. But the Michigan Democrat said the alleged scheme might be an act of war, and was certainly a serious threat to the U.S.

Levin told reporters that either way, there should be a serious response by the U.S. He declined to say what that response might be.

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[no_hypocrisy]

1. Jesus

Not Levin. I'd expect this from trigger-happy John McCain or Joe Lieberman.

[No Elephants]

77. You are forgetting about the large necon wing of the Democratic Party.

DLC, New Democrats, Third Way, No Labels.

Remember, Will Marshall was a founding member of the DLC, the founder of the Progressive Policy Institute--and a co-signer of the 2003 PNAC memo.

[newspeak]

99. oh yes, Levin-very much levin

see my reply below.

[Scuba]

2. Yeah, like Gulf of Tonkin was an act of war. Like "yellow cake". Yeah, that's it.

[schmice]

129. Gulf of Tonkin

I don't believe the Gulf of Tonkin applies, although on second thought, and depending on your level of cynicism, Hmmm. Well....Many people stand to gain. And remember my friend, corporations are people.

[GodlessBiker]

3. Isn't it an act of war against Saudi Arabia?

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. Well, of course. They threaten a Saudi diplomat with a Mexican cartel killer

on American soil, therefore Israel needs to bomb them.

[Blaze Diem]

17. ClusterF**k

Oh boy..

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Brilliant!

That pretty much sums it up. Sad though . ..

[Fool Count]

64. And how do Iranians even get with a "Mexican cartel killer" who

just happens to be an FBI informant? I bet that was (like almost any "terrorism" in the US)
one of those deals: - Hey, I'm a Mexican cartel killer. How 'bout I kill some Saudis for you.
- Sounds interesting. - You are under arrest then.

[wordpix]

69. maybe the Mexican cartel killer bought a gun from the ATF, & the connection hooked him to the FBI

referring to the Fast and Furious scandal, which is really a repug scandal after all b/c the gun walking to the cartels was done under BushCo, not Obama.

[schmice]

130. F + F Bush or Obama?

Does it really matter? What one started, the other is perpetuating. Its really too bad.

[thelordofhell]

65. Isn't this the plot of Machete?

:shrug:

[amandabeech]

117. LOL!

Let's bomb the Mexicans!!!

That way it'll just be easier and quicker to recolonize with NAFTA plants.

[Bandit]

125. I think China must of put them up to it..

:shrug:

[In Other News]

133. Correction.....

America needs to bomb them for Israel...

[avaistheone1]

62. IF this is a real threat, it should be Saudi Arabia's concern not ours.

[Amonester]

156. If any one or two $tupid$ start WW3, I think it SHOULD concern...

many $audi$... I mean, the Ruling 0.00000001% of Saudis...

I'm sure they have plenty of fiscal paradises to sail away to...

[No Elephants]

72. Desert Storm

[Dan]

76. I think...

like Blair for the U.S., - the U.S. might be Saudi Arabia's lap dog.

Besides, get us involved in another war with a draft (running out of volunteers), and we will forget that our children are starving. This will teach us to not protest our betters... ;(

[Kennah]

138. Yes, but we're friends with Archduke Ferdinand

[midnight]

4. We don't care anymore... Our country is letting it's children starve.

[schmice]

131. starving children

Fuck the children. They're not fetuses.

[Name removed]

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[former9thward]

16. The bomber was warned he could take out 100 other people in the attack.

Including U.S. Senators and representatives. He didn't care. That is not our business?

[No Elephants]

73. And how many of our troops and their people should have to die because of the alleged

indifference of this one person?

Assuming any or all this story is true, of course.

[former9thward]

108. The poster said bombing a restaurant by Iran in D.C. was not our business.

When you bomb a restaurant in the U.S. it is indeed our business. Would you just ignore it?

[StarsInHerHair]

158. the proper response is to arrest the person, "Mexican Curveball" we'll call him

investigate him & see if there's anything REAL about any of this.



WAR SHOULD BE A LAST RESORT.



or how about explaining to us all HOW would the USA PAY for yet ANOTHER war of choice?

[JoeyT]

104. How many innocents have we killed again?

Oh right, Americans are exceptional! Those dirty foreigners don't count.

[former9thward]

109. I don't know. Why don't you throw a number out there.

And then you can explain what your statement means to the issue at hand.

[The Stranger]

110. You actually believe that utter and complete bullshit?

[former9thward]

126. Yes I do.

But apparently you were there and know better.

[The Stranger]

147. No,

I am here and know better.

[former9thward]

150. Well you will make a good defense witness then.

I'm sure the DoJ will be shaking in their boots when you testify.

[Name removed]

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[MNBrewer]

6. War! WAR I say!!!!!

Don't you just LOVE having two pro-war parties to choose from?

[RKP5637]

8. Yep, A or B = C.

[No Elephants]

74. Why say it, when you can sing it like a Wilson? Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!

[schmice]

132. b-b-b-b-b-b Iran

Thank you Senator.

[RKP5637]

7. Christ, I sure hope that doesn't mean someone someplace is thinking of

escalating something on Iran soil. That's all we financially need.

[Enthusiast]

49. They have been clamoring for war with Iran

for many years. Guess what. We are going to have a war with Iran if they have to stage an Iranian assassination attempt.

But we might save the Iran War for a while so Jeb Bush can be a "war president".

[RKP5637]

54. Yeah, I can hear the war drums beating in the distance. n/t

[amandabeech]

118. I'm 56, and there were only a few years under Carter that I haven't heard those drums.

I wish that I were a young computer jockey with German language skills.

Or maybe Swedish.

I can still speak Canuck, eh.

[RKP5637]

123. I'm a little older and it seems I've heard them too my entire life, except as you said,

under Carter. This country IMO is way too invested in wars, it's a way of life for the US.

[amandabeech]

124. Well, it's certainly BECOME a way of life.

I just hate to see decent Dems get caught up in the war mess.

It reminds me too much of LBJ. At home, he was great, abroad, what a disaster.

[Auntie Bush]

127. The Military Industrial Complex is too big to fail. War must keep

going or we have a depression like we've never seen! One good thing...hopefully 1/2 of the 1% will jump out of windows and leave all their money to the 991/2% left.

[FrodosPet]

141. Unfortunately, a lot of their "money" is in stock valuations

It's not like they have pallates of $100 bills. So without other people willing and able to buy their stocks and bonds, they only have a fraction of their "net worth".

I've spent YEARS trying to figure out where all the money is. It is mind blowing how vaporous it is. Just some bytes on a hard drive.

[schmice]

137. 56

Oh STFU, you're only 56, what do you know?

[RKP5637]

58. Yep, their creditability with me has been stretched pretty thin anymore. n/t

[No Elephants]

75. Maybe a drone or two will suffice to ensure no one from Iran makes an assassination attempt.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

89. Nah. THIS one will pay for itself. We promise.

Like we used to say in the car biz - "we lose money on every deal but we make it up in volume"

[woo me with science]

101. A major war could be the goal and the trump card of the oligarchy.

There is a history in this country of going to war when financial institutions are threatened.

Our economy is wrecked. We have little real industry apart from the military industrial complex. The population is growing more restless and desperate. I think we will see a steady, purposeful escalation of tensions with Iran and a drumbeat to come together as Americans against a ginned up threat.

And what better way for the private banking cartel to keep itself indispensable and protected from serious reform, than to ensure an even more urgent need for the loans they provide in order to fund a necessary war?

[RKP5637]

107. Sadly, I think you are quite correct! There are too many alignments to be just

coincidences.

[schmice]

134. escalation?

Another example of outsourcing.

[dipsydoodle]

9. Assuming he really did say

"alleged" and "may be" in the same sentence on this subject then I can only assume him to be a complete ****.

[teddy51]

10. All these moran's seem to be war mongers, whether Democrat or Repug....

[schmice]

135. warmongers

It goes beyond political labels.

[DJ13]

11. Everything can be an act of war if war is what you want

But seriously, at a time when you asshats are telling seniors they should do with less, when the unemployed are in the millions, and you've already thrown trillions at the banks, isnt it time to say enough of this defense department welfare?

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. We need a Senate Disarmed Services Committee.

When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

[Enthusiast]

50. Excellent point.

The U.S. approach to diplomacy is absurd.

[No Elephants]

78. Seems as thought the only tool may be a box of hammers.

Used ala Three Stooges.

[harun]

113. +1

[Journeyman]

14. So he wants to study the implications before he uses the word, but in the meantime he uses it . . .

What a sad, pathetic little man.

[chill_wind]

45. My first reaction, exactly. n/t

[Enthusiast]

53. "What a sad, pathetic little man."

What a perfect description.

[bobthedrummer]

15. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, 9/11 was the act of Osama bin Laden, we are a democracy. K&R n/t

[Raster]

Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and Unicorns farting rainbow glitter.

[No Elephants]

79. I rather like the Emperor's New Clothes metaphor myself, but I take your point.

[EFerrari]

35. "I am the boss, this is champagne, Merry Christmas!"

[avaistheone1]

59. Are you being sarcastic?

[No Elephants]

80. Are you?

[schmice]

136. LHO AND OSB

Well, yes and yes because the government issued a report, and we are a titular democracy and I don't know what K&Rn/t means.

[SammyWinstonJack]

143. Land of the Free....Home of the Brave.

:silly:

[Arrowhead2k1]

18. What sort of act was it when Israel assassinated an Iranian scientist in Tehran? nt

[lutefisk]

24. That was okay- they're on Team USA.

Or is USA on Team Israel? I can never get that straight.

:shrug:

:hide:

[No Elephants]

81. An act of self defense.

[The Stranger]

111. In defense of whom? Was he pointing a gun at someone?

Please tell me you're not serious.

[Selatius]

154. The person is likely using a logical assumption from the so-called doctrine of pre-emptive war.

If a nation under pre-emptive war doctrine attacks another nation, it will claim it was done out of self-defense because the attacked nation was preparing an attack or invasion.

Regardless, under international law, it's illegal. No nation except the five permanent members on the Security Council can credibly claim such a defense without opening itself up to the war crime charge of initiating aggressive war.

[Behind the Aegis]

94. When did that happen?

[Angry Dragon]

19. .........

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[malthaussen]

20. I Guess that's one way

... to keep the troops pulling out of Iraq employed. Hey, this is a job-creating moment!

-- Mal

[Blaze Diem]

21. Ya so they can draft all those peky young OWS protesters.

They'll clear out those 'mobs' by creating another war & legislate the DRAFT.
Problem solved and profits will again be made by those at the top of the NEW WORLD ORDER.
I think I'm reliving the 60's in a weird futuristic sort of way.
F**kers

[RKP5637]

51. Yeah, it is in a weird sort of futuristic way reliving the 60's. I've thought similar a

number of times, especially with OWS and these endless wars, and the MIC. It's a déjà vu.

[Blaze Diem]

56. Love ya..oh ya, peace too

It really is weird! At least that makes 2 of us Thanks for the post.

[schmice]

140. 60's

You know, of the 99ers, there have to be a lot of us former 60's teens. Is this what any of us imagined it would be like?

[AverageJoe90]

93. I've had that thought for a long while, too.

[JoeyT]

105. If that's the plan, it's an awfully short sighted one.

"Let's round up all these people that don't like us, make them really hate us, and teach them to fight and use weapons effectively to boot." would be a plan on par with "I don't know if there's a gas leak. Strike a match and see if there's a hole.".

Unfortunately it's actually kind of plausible, since short sightedness is considered a virtue these days.

[amandabeech]

119. If we get a draft to go into Iran,

a few protestors on Wall Street will be the least of their problems.

Unfortunately, probably the only two people in the administration who are old enough to remember what that was like may want to ignore it. Well, at least one of them surely does.

[South End Liberal]

22. Don't look behind the curtain!

Mike Rivero over at whatreallyhappened.com had an excellent commentary today about this so called terrorist plot. He said, in part:

Folks, stop and think.

Setting aside the long track record of lies by the US and Israeli governments, just ask yourself these questions.

1. Why would Iran want to assassinate the Saudi ambassador? Ambassadors are not decision makers. They are glorified messengers and in these days of instant global communications no longer enjoy the autonomous plenipotentiary powers they did in the days of sailing ships. There is no reason to kill an ambassador because another one representing the same exact government policies would arrive the very next day.

2. Why would Iran involve Mexican drug cartels? Drug cartels are great at smuggling and slicing up competition and informants with chain saws, but are not known for skills at diplomatic assassination.

3. Why do such a pointless killing inside the United States, knowing the US is looking for any excuse at all to launch a war?



It appears the Obama White House is following in the steps of the Bush White House and creating terrorist plots to divert our attention from the Occupy Wall Street protests and faltering economy. Starting a 3rd war is not the solution, especially as a war with Iran could easily become a GLOBAL WORLD WAR. I expected better from Obama.

[Plucketeer]

31. With the BS our "elected" keepers feed us

I'd believe ANYTHING was possible anymore! :grr:

[No Elephants]

82. Okay, fine. Clapping loudly does really keep Tinkerbell alive.

And the Emperor's new clothes really are gorgeous and beautifully made of fine, fine materials.

And plentiful as well.

[Arctic Dave]

36. +1

This story is so full of BS it could power a city.

[No Elephants]

83. Mama don't allow no terrarists in here. Mama don't allow no terrarists in here.

Well, I don't care what mama don't allow.

I'm gonna let in a terrarist anyhow.

Oh, mama don't allow no terrarists in here.

[Uncle Joe]

115. I agree but I believe the real reason for this BS about

Mexican drug cartel involvement is to serve as brainwash propaganda to re-acclimate the American People as the Feds crackdown on medical cannabis.

The war isn't going to be waged against Iran, this is aimed against the American People; who are in the process of medicalizing and/or legalizing cannabis at the grass roots level and the federal government; no doubt at the behest of corporate masters are trying to stem that momentum.

[peace frog]

23. Oh, HELL NO

Tread this dangerous ground carefully, Dems. You get us into another war, YOU OWN THE WAR.
In that event you can kiss off your hopes of a Democratically controlled House and Senate, dumbf*cks. :eyes:

[tcaudilllg]

28. Hell, the government will FALL if they draft...

[tcaudilllg]

25. It's the fault of the CIA for not arresting them sooner.

Idiots will be idiots. This has nothing to do with American lives. Not a single American life for the Saudi butchers.

[KansDem]

55. I agree...when did we become such cabana boys for the Saudis?

I remember the FBI wanting to question Osama's relatives in the US before Bush flew them out, then they wanted to question them in Saudi Arabia before the Saudis said "no" and told Bush to say "no" to the FBI.

But we're told by the right wingers how "Bush kept us safe"...:eyes: What horse shit!

[No Elephants]

84. I don't know. When did Americans first learn that there was oil in that thar desert?

[newspeak]

100. oh, I'd say the bush cartel has been cozy with the saudis for awhile

A country with one of the worst human rights records, especially towards women. At least in Iran, woman vote, women drive. And probably wouldn't have elected ahmad whats his name if little boots hadn't sounded the "evil three countries BS." They pitted their bully against ours.

[FiveGoodMen]

26. Setting the stage for military involvement in YET ANOTHER COUNTRY

is surely an act of war against all of US, Carl!

:nuke:

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[hue]

30. Questions from former CIA operative Baer about the alleged Iranian plot

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/12/ques... /

I posted this on the editorial & other articles forum...I don't think we should "jump the gun" in going to war here as it looks like this may really be someone else's agenda.
(don't think we should ever solve anything by going to war).


"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force. They know what they are doing. The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted. They don’t let their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims. It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

"So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? Why would they take this risk now? Who cares about Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Ali Jaber, anyway? He’s not a royal. He’s probably not the main interlocutor between the United States and Saudi Arabia. Why not go for Saudi Prince Bandar in London? Many other targets would serve Iranian interests better."

"Everybody is looking for evidence that there is going to be a confrontation with Iran. Everybody is jumping on this as a sign of conflict to come. But there are many questions here that need to be answered."

[Autumn]

32. An act of war against the U.S. ?

Fuck that shit. This is not the United States of Saudi Arabia.

[No Elephants]

85. This is not the United States of Kuwait either, but look what happened when Saddam claimed

Kuwait had misappropriated land from Iraq.

[bongbong]

33. Saber rattling

TPTB have probably moved up the schedule for the theft of Iran's oil because of OWS, and its mostly positive reception by the US Public.

They have to hurry up and get the last crumbs from the Middle Class, and then flee, before TSHTF.

[No Elephants]

86. Yep,. The damned 99% is still glomming onto 1% of America's wealth, even

as they have the nerve to protest.

[Blue_Tires]

34. Act of War?? If I had any remaining doubt that this 'plot' was a

"means to an end" setup, they have vanished now...

[RaleighNCDUer]

52. Well of COURSE it's an act of war. Don't you remember how we invaded

Chile after Pinochet had a diplomat murdered in DC?

[No Elephants]

87. Which American patriot doesn't remember Chilean Storm?

[Citizen Worker]

37. Another diversion is necessary to quell the growing support of OWS. When we're at war we all drape

ourselves in the flag or so it is said.

[No Elephants]

88. Is that from Project Runway?

[newspeak]

102. maybe not this time

as one of our smartest presidents stated "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, ya can't get fooled again."

[tama]

38. When revolution is brewing

and they start to fear losing control, they go for the old trick that has so far worked so well, fear- and warmongering about "external threat".

When people won them in Seattle, they made up the 9/11 and took the initiative from people. We do not forget, we do not forgive, mr. lying Levin, that you are worse scum than Herman Goering, and we are legion.

[Lars77]

39. Didnt Wikileaks show reports of Saudi Arabia almost begging the US to attack Iran?

[Octafish]

40. Certainly is.

"By Whom?" is the question.

[iandhr]

41. Not against us...

... against Saudi Arabia. Iran attempted to take out one of their diplomats.

[amandabeech]

120. Let the Saudis go get 'em.

Let them get involved in Iran and Mexico at the same time.

[Sancho]

42. OMG - we need out of war; not getting into another one!

:mad:

[sarcasmo]

43. Any excuse to start another war. They say we can't afford social programs but war is OK.

This is an Empire not a country.

[closeupready]

46. Yup. There it is.

nt

[RKP5637]

57. The "USA Imperial Empire, Inc." n/t

[Doc_Technical]

44. Remember Orlando Letelier?

He was a Chilean diplomat who was assassinated
by a car bomb in Washington DC in 1976.
At that time we did not consider this action
a possible act of war by Chili.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Letelier

[bongbong]

47. Such pre-911 thinking!

Before 911, war made up only 95% of America's Foreign Policy. Now it's 99.99999999%

[No Elephants]

90. Please see Reply 87.

Besides, that was when we still operated under the rule of law.

Oh, and please send that 1976 article to the Ministry of Truth.

[Enthusiast]

48. That is quite a fucking stretch.

I would guess the entire thing was fabricated by our intel. It doesn't amount to shit anyway. They want another war as soon as possible. Afghanistan just isn't profitable enough. I do not believe a thing they tell us.

[aquart]

60. Say what????? AFTER WHAT WE DID????

[Dont call me Shirley]

61. This is so reminiscent of John McCain's "Bomb Iran" musical solo

[lovuian]

63. they need a war to get all of the attention

off of the Protests

personally I don't think protecting a SAUDI Ambassador is a big deal

[rayofreason]

66. Reasons to question this...

1. Pretty amateur hour. Trust some Mexican drug guy instead of muslim agents? Doesn't fit the typical Iranian MO.

2. Sleeper cells are secret for a reason, but this guy has Rev. Guard relatives. Too identifiable.

3. What was the goal? A successful operation, if traced back to Iran, would result in a US attack! There are plenty of other ways to attack US assets without an attack on US soil.

I am not saying that the Obama Administration is lying, but there better be really solid evidence that produces unanimous bi-partisan congressional assent on the veracity of the findings (in closed hearings) before any action should be taken.

[No Elephants]

91. Please see also, Reply 22.

[Nihil]

96. You might not be saying that but I am:

The Obama Administration is lying.

The only "change" is in the definition of "hope".

[SammyWinstonJack]

144. Lying LIARS!

[unkachuck]

67. here we go again....

....no money for anything except war....it must be in our constitution....

"We the Warriors of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Military, establish Dominance, insure domestic Corporations, provide for the common offense, promote the Generals' welfare, and secure the Blessings of Fascism to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

[Gin Blossom]

152. Good one. n/t

[alp227]

68. I find it hard to dismiss the attempted assassins as lone kooks

given their ties to the Iranian government.

[wordpix]

70. Carl, please don't go there, we don't need more endless war

[No Elephants]

71. What took so long?

[AverageJoe90]

92. We don't need a war with Iran.........

especially because many of the Iranians might just rally behind their Naziesque Islamist leaders..........DO WE REALLY WANT THAT?

[M_A]

95. It's October...Surprise!

That is all ;)

[Odin2005]

97. Here comes the proaganda BS.

[newspeak]

98. as I commented on another thread

sure is amazing how the bad guys fall into the PNAC agenda.

A deja vu memory about Sen. Levin. I called Levin's office before we attacked Iraq. The aide was an arsehole!!!! I begged them to allow the UN weapon's inspectors to continue-that little boot's "Iraq is going to attack US" scenario was fear bullshite. I was informed that I didn't know what I was talking about and the (not exact words) "experts" know more than we do.

I have little respect for Sen. Levin, he could just switch to the PNAC party, so we have a chance to elect someone who actually cares for the welfare of the people and the country.

[blue_onyx]

116. Do you know how Levin voted on the Iraq War?

[newspeak]

145. even though his aide was an arse

Levin did vote against the Iraq war, since the war was a diversion against AQ. A corporate diversion that has killed thousands of people. I have a problem with anyone mentioning the word "war." Those who die in it, especially children, are not just collateral damage.

It is also disturbing that SA hated Saddam, we attack Iraq-now this story about taking out a SA diplomat's attempted hit by Iran. I am not a big lover of SA; as I stated, one of the worst human rights violators, but we seem to cater to them.

[blue_onyx]

149. Ok

I knew he voted against the war...just wanted to see if you did too. You are acting like he's some big warmonger which, based on his record, I don't think is true.

[BlueIris]

103. The neo-cons are taking one last stab at invading Iran before 2012.

Will this Administration let them?

[No Elephants]

114. I don't think Levin is saying this on his own.

[plumbob]

106. It's an act, all right.

Hey, any babies dumped from incubators yet?

Nayirah around?

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[alarimer]

121. It's another one of those phony FBI plots

Completely nonexistent until some FBI agent talked some poor lunatic into it.

[USA_1]

142. It's A Totally Bogus Story

see:

http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/wagging-the-dog-with-irans-maxwell-smart.html

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/10/12/justice-department-concedes-it-has-no-credible-evidence-linking-senior-iranian-officials-to-terror-plot/


Complete fabrication. Amazing that no one has posted these truthful links ^ above ^in this thread.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

122. CHANGE!

You'd have to be an idiot not to see the continuity.

:shrug:

[Taverner]

128. Jesus fuck...not this shit again

What, is that going to be FOUR new wars?

[Kennah]

139. War, huh, yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

[krabigirl]

146. These pro-war "democrats" just need to join the other side and be done with it

[bobthedrummer]

148. Kick + a link to an active related GD thread worthy of consideration

Hmmm, Iran, Central American drug cartels, Saudis, October...it reminds me of some hidden histories
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2104315

[Romulox]

151. Michigan has CRUMBLED around Carl Levin. He just keeps beating the war drum...

Proof that democracy doesn't work.

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[JNelson6563]

155. You people have shorter memories that the right.

I know Carl Levin and he is no hawk. Didn't a single one of you watch the "debate" leading up to the IWR?? NO ONE fought harder to stop this war than Carl Levin. No one has pushed harder for it to end. I spoke with him last January while he was here and he told me and then the crowd when he addressed us all that there was much talk of a troop drawdown by August and soon after that would be talk of the end. He asked us all to help him hold the President to this agreement.

He is no hawk and he never makes comments lightly. If he says there is something to this, than there is something to this. And if that is the case Levin will be the last one to advocate all out war with Iran. He would much rather prefer less extreme options.

But hey we here in MI have only known Senator Levin since 1978 and some of us talk to him every chance we get (which is often as he travels our state all the time, even the forgotten remote corners our former Dem Governor couldn't be bothered with). He is no hawk and we're glad he's the one chairing that committee.

Maybe if you all looked into his career in the Senate (since you obviously remember nothing of it) you might find out for yourself.

Julie--truly marveling at the cluelessness