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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 03:14 PM
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Canada will have to live with 'Buy American,' envoy says
Source: CBC News

There will be no exemption for Canada in the latest incarnation of the "Buy American" clause, according to the U.S. ambassador to Canada David Jacobson.

The stimulus bill U.S. President Barack Obama is fighting to pass says no government money can go to infrastructure projects unless "all of the iron, steel, and manufactured goods used in the project are produced in the United States."

In a lunchtime speech to a business crowd in Ottawa, Jacobson indicated his government is holding firm, despite Canadian objections to the clause.

"(President Obama) had to make a tough call. He had to introduce a bill that had some chance of passing. Hence the Buy American provision."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/10/18/pol-us-ambassador-buy-american.html
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 03:24 PM
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1. Apologies to our northern neighbors, but we are trying to stimulate the
US economy, not the Canadian economy. Besides, Canada will fare far better by having a sound and robust American economy on their border than by getting a few contracts from the US.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:17 PM
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4. Sorta sucks for us, but agreed, fair enough in this case
And the Canadian economy isn't exactly a smoking ruin lately anyway; a bit more of that staying internal will be good for us (and annoy Harper, which is always a bonus).
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 03:51 PM
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2. This is payback for the Malaspina being held hostage
in Prince Rupert.

Not, mind you, that I'm saying the Canadians didn't have plenty of provocation - they did. But you don't hold a ferry hostage and expect no fallout, sooner or later.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:18 PM
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5. Using that logic, the US could expect to be bombed back into ...
... the stone age.

Tit for tat? Really?
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Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 07:08 PM
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15. Hmmmm.... not so sure that is why that clause was put in there.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:17 PM
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3. It is WAAAAYYYYY past time for Canada to unhook it's wagon from the excited states of 'merica
Canada does a ton more for the USA than the other way around now. C'mon Canada, it's time to stand up and shift those resources where they are appreciated.

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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:32 PM
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6. Canadiens are Americans, North America is a continent,not a country.
Lots of other countries are American too.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:46 PM
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9. Ain't nobody "American" but the USA, baby.
Grammatically, you are correct (in other words you are simply correct) but surely you know that in the USA "American" means one country and one country only. "Buy American" doesn't mean that we are restricting purchases to ourselves and our wonderful neighbors, just to "real Americans".

We may represent 10% of the population of the Americas, but we use the term in legislation as meaning citizens of the USA only.

So don't we pulling that "We're all Americans, too" crap on us. :) Nationalism forever!
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 05:24 PM
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11. No, we are Canadian....
n/t
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:33 PM
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7. France may trust Germany now, but we'll be damned if we are going to cut Canada a break.
:)
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 04:35 PM
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8. Yea, for Obama, one thing we can agree on. n/t
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 07:34 PM
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16. You may want to mull some facts such Canada was the largest US goods EXPORT market in
2010 according to the Office of the US Trade Representative. Protectionism works both ways. It's not going to help the US if Canada retaliates.

snip

U.S. goods exports to Canada in 2009 were $248.2 billion, up 21.3% ($43.5 billion) from 2009, and up 116.9% from 1994 (the year prior to Uruguay Round). U.S. exports to Canada are up 148% from 1993 (Pre NAFTA). U.S. exports to Canada account for 19.4% of overall U.S. exports in 2010.

The top export categories (2-digit HS) in 2010 were: Vehicles ($42.1 billion), Machinery ($38.5 billion), Electrical Machinery ($24.7 billion), Mineral Fuel and Oil (oil and natural gas) ($12.5 billion), and Plastic ($11.2 billion).

U.S. exports of agricultural products to Canada totaled $16.9 billion in 2010, our 2nd largest U.S. Ag export market. Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($1.6 billion), fresh fruit ($1.5 billion), snack foods (excluding nuts) ($1.5 billion), processed fruit and vegetables ($1.1 billion), and red meats, fresh/chilled/frozen ($1.1 billion).

U.S. exports of private commercial services* (i.e., excluding military and government) to Canada were $42 billion in 2009 (latest data available), 5.9% ($2.7 billion) less than 2008 but 146% greater than 1994 levels. The other private services (business, professional, and technical services, financial services, and insurance services) and travel categories accounted for most of the U.S. exports in 2009.



http://www.ustr.gov/




Imports

Canada was the United States' 2nd supplier of goods imports in 2010.

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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 11:01 PM
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20. We get a lot of stuff from Canada
including food. Actually when I started to read labels, I was surprised at how much came from Canada. At some point, you have to draw a line and saw that it is more important to help my family, who is suffering, than the family next door, who is making out okay.

If we were doing well as a country, I wouldn't mind as much, but we are struggling and it's time that we get a little selfish with government money. Now, if we could only stop these bloody wars.

zalinda
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 12:15 AM
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22. The important point is that the US sells more of its goods to Canada then to
Edited on Wed Oct-19-11 12:15 AM by snagglepuss
any other country. How will it help the US if Canada retaliates by limiting what it buys from the US?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 11:30 AM
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24. I don't think Canada would be buying steel from us
if they produce steel. Should we buy more from them and put more of our people out of work, just to placate them?

Oh, and I recently found out that some of the foreign workers who answer the customer service calls, are in Canada. When I gave one of them a hard time, he said, but I'm in Canada! So, there are Indian sounding workers in Canada, doing customer service calls. Oh, and it was a Canadian energy company that I was getting a call from. So, we are even buying their energy.

How much more should we buy from them?

zalinda
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 05:01 PM
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10. meanwhile our china made Martin Luther King Jr statue is unveiled in DC lol...hypocrites nt
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 11:52 PM
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21. wow, ain't that the truth n/t
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 05:41 PM
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12. Bless O's heart.
He just gave a speech about an hour from my house about an hour ago. Suppose to me just up the street tomorrow.
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libinnyandia Donating Member (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 06:26 PM
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13. Canadian oil
And of course we we must make sure that we don't use any Canadian oil in the construction of infrastructure. Drill baby, drill off the Florida coast, everywhere we can. And since we won't be using Canadian oil, we'll have to raise the price of fuel here, but at lest we'll be "buying American".
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 06:35 PM
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14. It's about time.
That means no steel from South Korea either, I hope.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 09:20 PM
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17. U.S. ambassador to Canada says Buy America policy is good for Canada in long run
Source: The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - The Harper government rejected assurances offered Tuesday by the U.S. ambassador to Canada, who defended the controversial Buy American provisions in his president's new jobs bill.

Envoy David Jacobson told an audience of hundreds that President Barack Obama's $447-billion jobs legislation was good news for the economic recovery of both countries. He said it would get the U.S. economy back on track — and Canada's with it.

But International Trade Minister Ed Fast rejected Jacobson's overture, emphasizing the Tories' staunch commitment to free trade and breaking down all protectionist barriers.

"The view reflected in the ambassador's comments which seek to justify the 'Buy American' provisions from the proposed American Jobs Act is of concern," Fast said in an emailed statement to The Canadian Press.



Read more: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/us-ambassador-to-canada-says-buy-america-policy-is-good-for-canada-in-long-run-132062708.html?viewAllComments=y



In the long run we are all dust.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 09:20 PM
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18. He's a right winger. What more could one expect? nt
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 09:20 PM
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19. To coin a phrase: "What's good for the US is good for Canada." n/t
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:50 AM
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23. I guess that piece of paper that says treaties are the supreme law of the land
really was deemed worthless. Well, I shouldn't say that. My first clue was when the Geneva convention and UNCAT were thrown out the window.
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