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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:36 PM
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Images of a captured Gadhafi, bloodied and dazed, broadcast
Source: MSN

SIRTE, Libya — Moammar Gadhafi, the man who ruled Libya with a dictatorial grip for 42 years, was seen on Arab television pinned against a car, being struck on the head with a pistol while a group of fighters manhandled him.

Video footage showed Gadhafi, dazed and bloodied but still clearly alive and gesturing with his hands as he was dragged from a truck by jostling government soldiers who hit him and pulled his hair.

He then appeared to fall to the ground and was enveloped by the crowd. NTC officials later announced Gadhafi had died of his wounds after capture.

One of Gadhafi's sons, Muatassim, also was killed and had been hiding with his father, Libya's interim government information minister told Reuters. The fate of his other son, Seif al-Islam, as well as other top figures of his regime remained unknown.


Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44971257/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/?GT1=43001
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:39 PM
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1. Good.
If they know the alternative is being chased down and kicked to death by an angry mob, maybe the next dictator will give up sooner and flee into exile.
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 03:17 PM
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9. Sorry, I disagree
Being beat to death by an angry mob is for the uncivilzed. Of course he was a violent despot---but civilized people are better than that and should not degrade themselves by imitating uncivilzed behavior.

I'm sure he deserved it, but angry mobs handing out street justice is wrong.
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nbcouch Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 03:21 PM
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10. agree 100%
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 03:41 PM
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11. I've no sympathy for him. It's the end he himself chose.
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 03:41 PM by TheWraith
He had just about every chance someone can: decades in which he could have reformed, months in which he could have stepped down and fled, weeks in which he could have surrendered for trial.

Instead, he chose to fight to the last, and even when he could have lived the rest of his life in extreme comfort somewhere, he chose to make war on his own people in order to continue oppressing them. And for that, at the end he received the results of how his people felt about him.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 03:52 PM
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12. I have no sympathy for him either, but this ...
... reflects very poorly on the people who captured him.

It would be reassuring to think that the people who will be in charge would be more humane than he was. This, suffice to say, is not reassuring.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 04:37 PM
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15. WOW really?
Even Bush had Saddam captured and brought to trial before he was hung..... Interesting this new Foreign policy of... catch them and assasinate them seems to be resonating........ but as long as we don't pour water up their nose I guess it's all good... Right?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 04:46 PM
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16. This was neither the US or NATO - it was the Libyan fighters
I agree that once they could capture him, he should have been treated as a prisoner. However, to assign what they did to Obama is wrong.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:23 PM
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18. I didn't assign it to Obama....
It is simply a fact... haven't you noticed that the new foreign policy when dealing with rogues, Pirates, Terrorists etc shows little to interest in bringing in Prisoners for trial or interrogation and therefore plays right into the NEOCons talking points....

Look I talk to Teaheads everyday at my job and it is so difficult for me sometimes, like today, because during BUSHCO I really laid into Bush for his foreign agressiveness and warned of the danger of the President of the USA coordinating, sponsoring or backing or applauding, the asassination of the bad actors in the world. I was engaged in tons of arguments regarding cowboy diplomacy post 911.....

Now I am in a position, where I look like a flaming hypocrite if I applaud the President for getting the job done.....

Personally, I don't believe we should be the world police and all the troops need to come home ASAP and we should not engage in any of these conflicts.... The wars all cost money, you can argue that some cost more than others but I will tell you I get seriously conflicted talking about how much we need to be helping out the people here at home and then off we go again into another foreign incursion....

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:27 PM
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19. Fine. Assign it to Hillary. She called for it yesterday in Tripoli.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 04:14 PM
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14. He chose this end for himself.
He could have left the country. He could have surrendered to the Red Cross or some neutral organization. He could have laid down his arms and stopped fighting.

He chose to fight to the bitter end. How many of the men who killed him knew someone who died in the last few days because he had ordered his men to fight? How many of them had friends or relatives killed by him during their initial uprisings?
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:12 PM
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17. Very true.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:20 PM
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20. what's creepy is the desire to look at a man after being beaten to death
regardless of who it is.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:54 PM
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2. You reap what you sow.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:06 PM
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3. Video showing him clearly alive is now gone off Al Jazeera site
But the one showing him inexplicably, but clearly dead from two bullets is all over the place. Alive in the rebel's custody then dead in their custody is probably not a juxtaposition they want out there. In any case, a dead Kadaffi dictator is preferable to an alive dictator.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:20 PM
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5. McClatchy has it:
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:12 PM
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4. Another leader who trusted the US. Why do any of them, I wonder?
I'm sure the next government will be a howling success of a democracy, and so we can count the billion or so spent killing Gadhafi as money well spent.


Right?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:22 PM
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6. Must be something in that big ego that goes with being a leader
gets hooked on the relationship and can't take in that it's over when it's over.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:38 PM
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7. From leader to bleater to bleeder. nt
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:46 PM
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8. Yeah, right...

... so the billion$ that Cheney dumped in Iraq (remember Bremer?) to get rid of Saddam were noble, right?
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 03:57 PM
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13. I think maybe you need to reread my post.
Every dime we spend on useless wars overseas adds to unemployment and sickness here.

How's that?
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