Libyan pathologist says autopsy on Gadhafi’s body confirms he was killed with shot to head

[EFerrari]

Source: Washington Post

TRIPOLI, Libya — Libya’s chief forensic pathologist says an autopsy has confirmed that Moammar Gadhafi was killed by a shot to the head.

Dr. Othman al-Zintani says doctors completed the examination on Sunday but he won’t disclose more details until he delivers a report to the attorney general.

Bloody images of Gadhafi being taunted and beaten by his captors in his hometown of Sirte have raised questions about whether he was killed in crossfire as suggested by the government or deliberately executed.

International concern about the issue has clouded plans by the transitional government to declare liberation later Sunday after months of bloodshed amid a rebellion to oust the hated leader of nearly 42 years.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/libyas-new-leaders-to-declare-liberation-sunday-amid-questions-over-gadhafis-killing/2011/10/22/gIQAi81j6L_story.html?wprss=rss_middle-east

[joshcryer]

1. Better than he deserved.

Glad the New Libya is being transparent.

[Bragi]

7. What fresh idiocy have we here! /nt

[joshcryer]

12. You don't think he deserved a trial and life imprisonment if found guilty?

Interesting.

He got the easy out.

[Bragi]

23. Sorry, I misunderstood your posting

I missed the irony/sarcasm in your initial posting. I agree with your response. Murder by crazed mob is not my idea of justice either.

[joshcryer]

26. No worries.

I think you may have taken my quip about transparency to mean that I meant something different, but really, that they're admitting to the head shot when just the other day the men responsible for the body turned the head and hid the gunshot wound view indicates at least that they're not going to let thugs run shot.

[Bragi]

34. That would be encouraging, yes. /nt

[chill_wind]

37. The New Libya claimed he didn't have a bruise on his body.

"We got the coroner's report, I saw the body myself. I can testify that there were no bruises on his face or on his body."

Jibril to Reuters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2168813&mesg_id=2169846

[dipsydoodle]

2. Libya's image 'stained' by Gaddafi death - Hammond

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has said the new Libyan government's reputation has been "a little bit stained" by the killing of Col Gaddafi.

Speaking on BBC One's Andrew Marr Show, Mr Hammond expressed disappointment that the former leader was killed before he had a chance to face trial.

"It's certainly not the way we do things," Mr Hammond said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15420312

[Demeter]

3. Yeah, Right

It is, however, the American Way (tm).

And it is with deep shame that I acknowledge that the Rule of Law has been abandoned for the duration.

[CJCRANE]

5. There was no rule of law in Libya.

You can't start with something you never had. This was a revolutionary war. The road to democracy begins now.

[dipsydoodle]

6. Please provide links to confirm

there was no rule of law in Libya.

[CJCRANE]

8. It was not a developed democracy with civil society

and the normal standards we take for granted.

I think it's hypocritical of Western countries which have had centuries of democratic development to criticize Libyans at the very beginning of their path to democracy.

[No Elephants]

21. I am not sure which standards we take for granted anymore.

[EFerrari]

33. Libya was a UN member, a signor of the Geneva Conventions

If you go to the State Department's own page on Libya and Human Rights, you will be surprised. We've been fed a constant barrage of bs about Libya since this last adventure of NATO's was started.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2009/nea/136074.htm

[Demeter]

9. Furthermore, there are laws for NATO and the US

but those were ignored, as well.

[Cirque du So-What]

25. Libyan rebels embrace 'the American way'

who knew? :shrug:

[joshcryer]

4. As I said in the wrapup thread, bullshit. He didn't want MI6's dirty laundry being aired.

To be sure the west is glad they didn't have the discipline necessary to keep Gaddafi alive (TNC wanted him alive).

[Swagman]

10. what a civilised lot we are

Gadaffi executes man without trial = evil dictator

Mob executes Gadaffi without trial = noble freedom fighters.

The only thing that astonishes me is that so many people..including some on DU... cannot see that finally we are the mirror image of the savages we claim to be ridding the world of.

Not one..not one single world leader.. has even mentioned that the torture, the attempted sodomy (as now revealed) the beatings, the humiliation, the dragging through the streets, the execution of his son, the execution of Gadaffi, the desecration of their bodies, the hilarious message to his daughter that 'old fuzzy head is dead' and finally, the media frenzy as the snuff movies of the killing of these two are flashed around the world in the popular media without the slightest condemnation...it's now the norm.

It's really summed up by British PM David Cameron..chortling away at his press conference saying what a wonderful day it is now that the (formerly ours) Libyan leader is dead..one of three wonderful things that happened for him that day.

[joshcryer]

13. Who said it was "noble"?

Link one person claiming it was "noble."

[Swagman]

14. perhaps you haven't being reading the popular press

..not that I said anyone said any particular person said it was 'noble'..it was a comment on an attitude.

But feel free to set me right and point to a world leader who has condemned the manner in which he was ruthlessly killed.

I believe there was a very good reason that (some of) the Allies wanted to have the Nuremberg Trials.

They are of course meaningless today.

[joshcryer]

15. Uh, Hammond said it 'stained' the revolution.

Noble isn't a term I'd use, but one can respect their persistence and overall yearning for freedom, while at the same time rejecting war crimes and crimes against humanity.

[Swagman]

17. 'stained'..that's a nice polite term.

are you referring to our war crimes or theirs?

[joshcryer]

18. The revolutionaries.

There's not much to respect about people who commit war crimes and are against freedom. Can't respect the war crimes, can't respect the anti-freedom. The revolutionaries, on the other hand, we can reject the war crimes, and respect their urge for freedom, get it?

[Swagman]

19. I don't mean to insult anyone on here

I'm actually very saddened (despite the odious creature who was brutally executed)that there was a time not long ago when our leaders would have spoken out about such actions.

Such brutality should never be condoned and from the look of the grinning 'freedom fighters' rejoicing as they brutalised the man, they didn't really look like people who may have personally suffered.

But good luck to the Libyan people..I wish them well.

If only they killed him like we do..from a great height dropping bombs that blow people to smithereens. So much neater.

[joshcryer]

20. The intrim leaders of Libya have expressed disappointment.

I haven't seen outright condemnation and I don't see how one could condemn the ouster of their own enemy. It'd be like expecting the world to condemn the execution of Mussolini and the dozens of fascists that were with him.

One can be disappointed no trial was given and express it (as did Jibril, the intrim Prime Minister, who, btw, is stepping down today from his position as promised). But to condemn them? Outrageous.

[Rozlee]

30. Are you referring to the way we paraded the bullet ridden bodies of..

Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay on national TV? Surely not. We'd never be such savages.

[aquart]

31. Yeah, damn shame.

[Schema Thing]

24. "We"? This ultimate douchebag was killed by a ragtag bunch that he

had just spent the last few months trying to kill after calling them "rats".


He "fought" to the end. His compound in Sirte was the last square kilometer of unliberated Libya. He could have surrendered at anytime. He could have stepped down months ago when it was obvious his country was in revolt.

He chose his manner of death.

[EFerrari]

29. Yes, "we". Our secretary of state called for him to be killed

only the day before during her visit to Tripoli. She got what she asked for.

[chill_wind]

38. Because all the very best humanitarian interventions

end with summary executions. (Matt Yglesias -Twitter.)

[EFerrari]

41. What a farce this was. nt

[EFerrari]

27. That hilarious message is likely a racial slur.

[polly7]

40. Yes, there is video out there showing 'all' of it.

I thought there was no way, that someone just misinterpreted what was happening in the video ..... but I was wrong. Horrific, disgusting, and beyond brutal.

[jakeXT]

11. It would be interesting to know who shot him in his legs, or if he really was shot there.

Debka claims Nato forces shot him in his legs so he can't run away and called Misrata fighters to take him away.
We'll probably never know..

[Swagman]

16. that would be the same Nato forces that decided who were the 'good' guys and who were the bad

and then dispensed 'justice'. Like the man in Gadaffi's home town who said his neighbours were blown to pieces but fortunately for him..just his fence was destroyed.

It's all a game.

Perhaps I imagined that I saw photos of Obama, Condi, Blair meeting with the man who was just executed.

If memory serves me well DUers delighted in running the photo of Saddam meeting with Rumsfield.

There are many DUers who quite obviously abhor what has just happened . Not so many threads though.

[greiner3]

22. "DUers delighted in running the photo of Saddam meeting with Rumsfield."

I do not follow your line of reasoning here. Please clarify. You seem to equate a historical fact with that of a figure yet to be executed/killed/collateral 'damaged.'

Would you say this also falls into the scenes of the planes flying into the World Trade Towers, over and over and over? How about the aftermath of the Federal Building in OK after McVeigh's deed? Saddam's decapitation?

[EFerrari]

28. I assume the poster refers to the hypocrisy of Rumsfeld demonizing

a man he had formerly done business with. Gaddafi is just another example of that American tradition.

[spicegal]

32. A shot to the head was probably the most merciful they

could do at that point, since he'd already been roughed up and had several other bullet wounds.

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[dudkos]

36. So?

Good riddance.

[chill_wind]

39. Nice tombstone.

I wonder if one could assume likewise.