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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:07 PM
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GlobalPost: Qaddafi apparently sodomized after capture (Warning Graphic)
Source: CBS News

October 24, 2011 12:57

GlobalPost: Qaddafi apparently sodomized after capture


Amid mounting questions about just how and when Muammar Qaddafi died, a GlobalPost analysis of video footage suggests a Libyan fighter sodomized the former dictator after he was captured near Sirte.

As GlobalPost reports:

A frame by frame analysis of this exclusive GlobalPost video clearly shows the rebel trying to insert some kind of stick or knife into Gaddafi's rear end.

GlobalPost correspondent Tracey Shelton said there is some question as to whether the instrument was a knife from the end of a gun, which Libyans call a Bicketti, or a utilitiy tool known as a Becker Knife and Tool, which is popularly known as a BKT.

This latest video discovery comes as international and human rights groups call for a formal investigation into how the former Libyan leader was killed. In video clips that have emerged of his capture, Gaddafi can be seen injured but alive. Later he is seen with what appears to be gunshot wounds to his head and chest. According to the Geneva Conventions, however, abuse of prisoners under any circumstance is not permissable.


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20124758-503543/globalpost-qaddafi-apparently-sodomized-after-capture/



My god.
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BalmerLiberal Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:14 PM
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1. If I believed in such a place...
...I would be sure much worse is happening to him in Hell.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:21 PM
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2. If that is the case then the person doing it will join him.
As will probably people who cheer on such things.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:23 PM
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3. Yes.
How barbaric can we get? That's a rhetorical question of course, I am fairly certain there are no limits at all.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:34 AM
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26. +1
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:31 PM
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4. Insanity reigns.
I don't know who to root for anymore. I really don't.
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:36 AM
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40. Recall Lara Logan? "They raped me with their hands."
Fact is, these tribesmen and other no-education anti-moderns are among the lowest IQ people on planet earth. Every thing that threatens them gets converted to a sexual expression.

Balls for brains.

Where there's not much for brains, what else ???

Btw: thank Gawd the French got a government organized early on. That'll prevent mass slaughters, which you'd have to expect otherwise.

The 53 corpses in Misrata ? That's 100:1 fewer than you'd have seen 100 years ago with one of these turnovers.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:32 PM
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5. This is awful - but it happens to women all the time in war.
Women are captured, raped and brutalized and killed.

Let's face it. War is just awful.
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bainz Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:02 PM
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6. Exactly
It's time we rape everyone!

:sarcasm:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:07 AM
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37. talk about missing the point
:o
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:08 PM
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7. If people could see the brutal side of War
they would be hesitant to cheer it on.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:12 PM
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8. I think he was stuck -everywhere- with the knife
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:36 AM
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27. Does that apply to the ones who stuck him everywhere with the knife, too?
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:14 AM
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44. Are you opposed to torture?
Just wondering if there is any level of barbarism you wouldn't dismiss by using simplistic axioms like "Live by the sword, die by the sword"?
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Celefin Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:14 PM
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9. Ah, the good guys and their boy pranks.
Moral high ground and all that.

The son went to war, swearing to his father he would capture and bring back the monster.
As he came back broken and empty-handed, the father looked into his son's eyes and beheld that his son had kept his word.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:39 AM
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28. So sad, but some just come back maimed and/or suffering from PSD.
Apparently, some are perfectly fine this kind of thing, as long as the side we backed are the perps.

Otherwise, it merits bombing and drones.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:29 PM
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10. Disgusting.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:30 PM
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11. Before Gaddafi waged a war on protesters, these were just average Libyans
These were a loosely trained, unprofessional army, who had been terrorized by war and other extreme repressive measures taken by Gaddafi for months. I don't know what everyone was expecting if they captured Gaddafi, but I didn't think it would be pretty or civilized.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:47 PM
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15. If those are just "average Libyans", they certainly deserve all
the misery that is coming their way as a result of their stupidity and cruelty. Those who replaced Qaddafi should not be surprised
when those "average Libyans" go all 'Allah Akbar' on their asses next.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:16 PM
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21. Yeah, Arabs are animals who can't control themselves
That's why they needed the benign dictatorship of Gaddafi. You've seen through the matrix.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:44 AM
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24. While I didn't say or mean that, the description you offer
is most certainly apt for the people depicted in those videos. I do not even know for sure if they were Arabs, though I assume they are.
That was not my suggestion (but that of the poster I responded to) that the lynch mob of deranged murderers captured by the video
represented the "average Libyans". I surely hope they do not. If, in fact, they do, then I must indeed commend Qaddafi on doing great
job of keeping them in check for 42 years in such a benign way and wish he could continue doing so for many more years. However,
I would suggest that, more likely, the people I saw are not "average Libyans" at all, but a band of sociopathic violent thugs - a type of
human (and I use that term loosely) garbage which is typically brought to the surface by conflicts like this one and which in normal
times would be populating criminal correction facilities in any country. Whether it was Qaddafi's bad luck to be taken in by such
a splendid group of individuals or the whole body of the Libyan "rebel" movement is homogeneous in this way and Qaddafi's destiny
was sealed, I have no idea. I just hope, for the sake of real average Libyans, it is the former.
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Celefin Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:02 AM
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34. Well said. I don't get how you can cheer for people like this, no matter which side they're on. -nt-
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:14 PM
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51. Normal people, when put under extreme circumstances, can do horrible extreme things
42 years of repression plus a brutal revolutionary war being one of them.

I have sympathy for people who have suffered severely mindlessly lashing out against the people who made them suffer.

I have no sympathy for people who made them suffer as a matter of policy while living lives of complete luxury and indulgence meeting the same brutal fate they ordered upon thousands of people.

You worry about the future of Libya, because of this incident, when the past of Libya was 42 years of state-sanctioned torture, murder, rape, and terrorism?

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:40 AM
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29. Mega straw man.
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bluebuzzard Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:16 PM
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12. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:23 PM
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13. So disgusting. And the day before he was killed
she called for his killing on her visit to Tripoli.

That's our top diplomat. USA!
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:25 PM
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14. Well that certainly doesn't seem like an appropriate response
from the US government. Had I not seen it, I wouldn't have believed it.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:49 PM
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19. I still don't believe it.
It's got to be fake.

It's just too over-the-top sicko.

And that goes for the giggling interviewer too.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:14 AM
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43. I considered that too - thinking if it were not fake, it might have gotten more play
But, it is just HRC's response and it looks and sounds like her. It is possible that the context of the earlier or later comments would make it better. (It could be that no one benefits by showing this in the US - if the RW would basically agree, none of the RW sources would use it.)
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octothorpe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:04 AM
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35. I wouldn't have believed that either...
Hopefully it was taken out of context and not even related to Qaddafi.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:49 PM
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16. disgusting
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:09 AM
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42. Not her best moment
I think she was trying to make a witty, clever comment and really went off the tracks. I wish I would not have seen this. It is one thing for people to have commented on the death as the point where Libya really does start a new chapter. It is also wise to say that it is the Libyans who will decide what follows - and that it won't be our choice. (The alternative that we have any control is far worse.)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:04 PM
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17. Humans are a f**ked up species...
seriously.
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Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:29 PM
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18. I am not a fan of eye for an eye
But why does gaddafi get his own thread for prisoner abuse, when the thousands he ordered the same and worse done to didn't.

I shed no tears for the Hitlers of our era.

I do shed tears for the loss of humanity it took to go to his level though. That is the tragedy, not that gaddaffi was tortured and killed.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:08 PM
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20. Well said. nt
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Celefin Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:20 AM
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38. Tony Blair, is that you?
When Bush visited London he drew enormous protests.

The government was totally taken aback by this:

"Why didn't they protest Saddam while he was committing all those crimes and human rights abuses?"

Yes why?

Because he didn't visit and it wasn't in the news. That's why.
They would have turned out in the tens of thousands if that bastard had been received in Westminster.

You honestly think people would NOT have cared about Gaddafi's atrocities if they had been in the news every evening?
Seriously? People would have been happy for us to trade with him despite the nightmares televised every evening?

If you wanted to protest every bastard and his evil doings in the world all the time you would have more on your hands then you could ever handle.
The argument of 'why didn't you protest this or that' is unfair in the extreme. It's a Teflon Tony argument.

You should NOT shed tears for an evil fuck like Gaddafi and you should STOP accusing others here of doing that.
You SHOULD shed tears for those who had the chance of being heroes to stoop to the same deranged level as the one they disposed of.
That is the tragedy that all those 'Gaddafi apologists' here like me get worked up about.
Is that so hard to understand?

/rant
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:16 AM
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45. +++1
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:22 AM
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22. He was an old man who surrendered
His "liberators" are pure evil, what they did to a defenseless poor old man was disgusting.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:43 AM
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30. "He could have avoided this by surrendering" only works when the person did not surrender.
When the person does surrender, we apparently just come up with new reasons to be okay with this kind of thing.

Yet we opposed death by lethal injection in the U.S.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:06 AM
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53. self-delete
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 12:07 AM by Azathoth
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:30 AM
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23. I feel no pity for him at all
He was a pretty sorry sob for years by anyone measure. if this really happened then he got what was coming. he'd done much worse things to many people during his reign so fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:45 AM
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31. It's not about pity. It's about sinking to the same level.
Also about not being more barbaric than animals, then claiming to be the good guys doing "justice."
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:05 AM
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36. CORRECT
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Celefin Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:22 AM
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39. +1000. Also see reply #38 -nt-
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:55 AM
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41. What ever I think that is for the people who he suppressed for so long to decide
not some dude or gal on the intertubes. I'm sure they seen it as justice done.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:59 PM
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52. "Justice" assumes a whole new meaning when you've lived for decades under a brutal dictator
and you've watched friends and even family members harassed, brutalized, and murdered by his "security" forces.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:24 AM
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25. This ranks somewhere in the thousands in regards to things I care about in Libya
All the innocent people murdered by Gaddafi's goons rank far higher than anything that happened to that old sack of shit.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:46 AM
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32. Well, as long as it's not high on your list, I'm comfortable with it.
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 02:47 AM by No Elephants
As long as we are not going to stand on principle, how high something is on your list is as good a criterion as any other, I suppose.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:51 AM
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33. I watched the entire video and could not see anything like that.
The video is horrible... it jumps all over the place and out of focus and mostly cant at all tell what is going on. I wouldnt make any judgments from a video like this. That being said it would not surprise me a bit that it happened.. they were like a frenzied lynch mob.. humans do crazy evil things in a situation like that and it means nothing more than that in the grand scheme of things.
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expatriate2mex Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:39 PM
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49. I watched it twice Bob and don't see anything like that either.nt
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Katashi_itto Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:28 AM
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46. Today Libya..tomorrow Wall St.
Watch how bad things get here. After the system finally collapses.
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:15 PM
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47. War changes people
Sometimes temporarily, sometimes for life. The person who did this will, hopefully, one day live in a Libya that isn't under a constant threat of death and destruction and have to come to terms with the actions he took.
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expatriate2mex Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:38 PM
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48. I think it's more than obvious they killed him after capturing him, but
I have no idea how someone could watch that clip and get him being sodomized from it. I watched it twice and could not find anything at all like that.
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:24 PM
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50. Administering a boofoo to the pooter with a bayonet is certainly inartful.
I wouldn't have done it myself, but I understand.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:34 AM
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54. I'm just trying to get the image of Qaddafi's ass out of my mind!
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