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http://kp.ru/daily/25778.4/2761708/There are street robberies, former rebels seize property Gaddafi
by Alexander Kots, Dmitry STESHIN - 10/27/2011
Special Correspondent, "Komsomolskaya Pravda" Alexander Kots and Dmitry Steshin on Radio "KP" discussed with Director of the Institute of Religion and Politics by Alexander Ignatenkothe prospects of the country after the fall of Gaddafi's.
- Alexander, after all what it was? Revolution, civil war, the raider seizure of the country?
- It was one of a series of "anti-gerontocrate" revolutions that occur in the Arab world and the revolution that began in Tunisia continued the revolution in Egypt, before moving to a "revolution" in Libya. In Arab countries still exist regimes that have held power for at least three decades. And Colonel Gaddafi has managed to stay in power for '42.
- Creating a rather controversial structure of the state - Jamahiriya ...
- In Libya, in fact, created a regime of personal power and ownership. That he died Gaddafi - a lonely man who raped and killed by Libyans - a symbol of his power, his reign. He has created a situation in which all power, all property, everything, everything belonged to him, his family, his clan, and particularly close to people who were accepted into the family through marriage. His son - Abdullah al-Senusi, chief intelligence officer.
Incidentally, this is one of the people of the clan of al-Gaddafi, who survived, and who will make themselves remembered. And here in Libya, people lived quite well, but some people did not want to Qaddafi remained in power. New elite groups already grew inside Libya and abroad - and in the U.S., for example, in Europe and the Arab countries.
- And what about West? It's involvement and interest?
- The main role was in the Arab countries - Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which were the initiators of the no-fly zone over Libya. Further, this requirement was lifted, transferred to the League of Arab States. Then - in the UN Security Council. And the machine started to work ...
- Young people, by the way, was the main driving force of the revolution. We've been told by people that high school in Libya was virtually destroyed. There was no place to get a decent education. Not many was allowed to study foreign languages. That there was no dissent. The Libyans went abroad to study, and brought back very liberal ideas.
Incidentally, during a few our business trips to the country we divided the rebels to three groups. The Bengazy group that supposedly initiated all this revolution. This grouping of Misurata - the main battle force, and currency. And there is a group that stay in Tripoli, wich Misurata impose that they were not involved in the war, non of their people killed. Is there a danger that now these or other groups will start to fight for power?
- In Tripoli, there is a large group of people who are called "people of an elephant." They are the ones who captured Tripoli, beating out Gaddafi's force. They take everything what is in Tripoli as their own trophies. They liked an elephant, and they will transport it to their home. I do not know why would they need an elephant. But it's nice to have an elephant in possession.
But seriously, there are now looting, seize property Gaddafi, but it is not enough for all, and you don't have to be fortuneteller to predict enormous contradictions. Gaddafi in 42 years have done nothing create anything what would look like one nation on the territory of Libya. It is a conglomeration of different groups - regional, ethnic, there are Arab tribes, there are Berber tribes, among them a very powerful Tuareg, who supported al-Gaddafi ...
- There is a tribe varfala, generic city which Ben-Walid, a considerable number of them - half a million scattered across the country.
There is Jamaat Libyan "Al Qaeda" near the coast.
- I believe two of them were proclaimed in Libya. One in the Dern, and the other in El-Bayda. Libya just have to break up.
Have to just there is simply no other option.
Call the studio: "In Tunisia, Libyan scenario did not happen as the wisdom of Ben Ali, who simply washed away in time and did not held on to power until the very end. ".
- Indeed, Ben Ali has done much good for Tunisia, and he's done right that did not hold on to power.
- Secular Libya, we saw it, now would be to live under sharia. NATO had been deceived?
- NATO officials have obviously been "done". They been dragged into this war, and now see who started it. The pictures are often shown with rebel flag of the kingdom of Libya, the same kingdom, which Captain Qadhafi ruined in 1969. It was a kind of belated counter-revolution!
It is important to keep in mind that the heir of the dynasty of sinusitis, which was overthrown by Gaddafi and his Comrades militants, was sitting in Saudi Arabia. The initiative to create a no-fly zone, and generally the whole conflict was conceived in Arabia - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates. The situation turned out such as the "tail wagging the dog."
This tiny state of Qatar and State of Saudi Arabia drew NATO members into the whole this action. You can understand hesitations that we currently can see in the current interim leaders of Libya, who say that the main source of legislation in the country will be Islamic Sharia law.
- After that come to live talks that the Islamists come to power. Will there be a retaliatory move of Loyalist guerrilla warfare?
- Still alive very active, energetic and skillful politician, son of Gaddafi Saif al-Islam, who said he will take revenge for his father's death, will to fight. After his father's death some fairly numerous tribes brought him the oath of allegiance. I do not exclude the possibility that somewhere in the south of Libya, using the same Tuareg tribes will be created some kind of independent state, which may even be recognized by some African countries such as Niger.
He will have some legitimacy. It is possible that a state or quasi-state will last for a while, and certainly could make a lot of trouble to the new authorities. For example, blowing up gas pipelines, oil pipelines.
- But they say that money Gaddafi, around 200 billion, in fact the money of the state, the Libyan. How to set it up?
- At one time Louis XVI said: "The state is me." With more reason it could be said by Gaddafi. It's absolutely impossible to say where the state ends, and where Qaddafi began, because there is no such state as Libya itself. Jamahiriya it's just demagoguery. The power of the masses, people power, people's committees.
At the end of its existence Libya can be compared as a smeared porridge on which fly crawling. Fly - it's Gaddafi. Smeared porridge - is Libya. This is what Gaddafi was undoing. There were no people, no political forces that would have protected him.
- And now there is some political figures, some forces that could take on the burden of creating a state from scratch? The impression is that the winning clans just to blows over power and money.
- Be sure to blows. Already there is a struggle, may be invisible to the eye. They still did not form an interim transitional government. There is a transitional national council, but it was assumed that it would be temporary. UN creates a provisional government as a result of some negotiations, agreements and compromises. This interim government will hold elections for a constituent assembly. The Constituent Assembly to draft a constitution. On the basis of this constitution will be elected parliament and the head of Libya's president. It seems natural normal political process.
But this process has been stalled at the first stage. Because so many forces want to be in this government to control, in first, power, and secondly, property, oil and gas. I noted that during the war, oil in Libya controlled all the same, by Qatar. It sent, I think, in May of Benghazi tanker filled with oil to China worth 270 million dollars ...
Consequently, in the future government will necessarily be proteges of Qatar. Besides to the government wants to get Libyan's "Muslim Brotherhood". There are warlords who are not going to surrender their weapons. Terrible weapons of Libya. Because Gaddafi purchased
a gun just in enormous quantities.
- If you do not say - in meaningless numbers ..
- They do not want to take this weapon. The biggest problem is - there is the "Strela" dispersed (anti-aircraft missile SA-7b Grail in NATO classification). Thousands of units.
- In April, we have seen them - lying on the roadside, then no one needs ...
- Now, imagine, they do not want to surrender their weapons, they do not want to disarm, and among these armed groups - al-Qaida!
- And then Libya is next stop for international terrorism?
- Concerns are there. Possible like those in Somalia. We call it "somalization".
That is, the country breaks up into different pieces. These pieces are not controlled by the central government.
There's the power of local barons.
- And how much fan would be piracy in the Mediterranean Sea!
- NATO has and Europe currently staged a great pain in a "neck" that will not pass soon.
The West should now work on the political process in Libya. To create a normal modern secular state.
I do not think westerners want Sharia law there. They will have to overcome it one way or another.
Because for them to have Sharia state on the southern shore of the Mediterranean in far far not the best option.
WHEN impose NUMBER
Russia to provide humanitarian assistance to Libya in the amount of $ 7 million. This was stated by Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich. An executive order has been signed.
By the way, Libya's GDP is almost identical with the Russian.
GDP per capita in Libya was $14.200, while in Russia - $15.900
(in USA around $47.000)
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