Transgender student expelled from private Riverside university

[Tiggeroshii]

Source: LA Times

A man who identifies himself as a woman said she has been expelled from a nursing program at California Baptist University for appearing on a television program to discuss her gender identity, a local newspaper is reporting.

Domaine Javier, 24, told the Riverside Press-Enterprise she was expelled from the school after appearing on MTV’s "True Life” and declaring that she is biologically male. Javier dresses as a woman and has identified herself as female since childhood.

The show’s episode was called “I’m Passing As Someone I’m Not,” the newspaper reported.

Javier told the paper that she clicked the space next to “female” on the school’s online application form.

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/transgender-student-expelled-from-private-riverside-university.html

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I hope she's able to sue the crap out of them.

[NMMNG]

1. It's a private religious school

I don't imagine she'd have a case against them.

[DRoseDARs]

2. If they receive any public money she does, if not then she doesn't.

Either way, doesn't make them right to have done this to her.

[iris27]

23. Unfortunately, even if they do, gender expression is not (yet) a federally-protected class,

meaning this is horrible but completely legal, and she doesn't have standing to sue. Sexual orientation isn't protected either.

[KamaAina]

26. Sexual orientation is a protected class in California

not sure whether the courts interpret that to cover transgender.

[Journeyman]

3. Idiot. Lost a $3,500 scholarship *and* squirreled her career path . . .

all for the opportunity to appear on television.

I wish her well in her struggle to rebuild her life.

[Tiggeroshii]

5. The issue was over her checking "female" over male, not over appearing on television.

[Journeyman]

6. The school might never have learned her secret, nor invoked its rules. . .

had she not been an idiot and wanted to be on TV. Once she blabbed in her quest for a lazy 15 minutes, or to prove she was "putting one over" on the school, the school invoked its options. She did in herself.

[JoeyT]

8. Yeah, the problem isn't that a person got screwed over by bigots,

it's that these freaks won't stay in the closet, amirite?

You need a new empathy generator, your old one is broken.

[Journeyman]

9. She signed on at a school run by bigots. Surprise! Bigots turned on her . . .

turned on her when she foolishly admitted she'd broken their rules, rules they told her up front they'd punish her for if she transgressed them.

I can't generate empathy for idiots. Too far outside my experience.

She did herself in.

[No Elephants]

14. You are assuming she went on TV because she was an idiot and not because

she thought that telling her story might increase understanding of transgendered people or help one or more transgendered people.

And you know what they say about people who assume.

[Journeyman]

16. I make no assumption about WHY she went on TV. . .

She's an idiot because she admitted transgressions of the college's rules in a way that the college could learn about. Could have done that here on the internet, in the local newspaper, or in a conversion with one of her professors -- any of a number of ways that would have alerted the college to her secret. That's the thing about idiotic behavior -- some people don't need a rationale for acting stupid.

If she wanted to "save other people" (something she says nothing about in the article), then solid -- maybe she did. If she wanted to stay in the college's nursing program -- something she does state in the article -- then she's an idiot for acting in a manner guaranteed to flush her right out of the program.

I hope she doesn't commit suicide over the reality that she screwed herself out of a scholarship and her career path.

[No Elephants]

17. It's funny how we all have different criteria for assessing intelligence.

For example, people who keep making unfoounded negative asumptions so that they can keep calling a transgendered kid they never met an idiot don't strike me as particularly bright.

Good night. Sleep well.

[alp227]

22. maybe her story will shame this bigoted religious "college" nt

[No Elephants]

11. Holy negative unfounded assumptions, Batman!

:wtf:

[LynneSin]

25. How would the school have known if she had not appeared on TV

just curious

[No Elephants]

10. Appearing on television helps others will gender identity issues.

Might possibly prevent a teen suicide.

[Journeyman]

12. And might cause her to commit suicide given the predictable results by the college. . .

In all, her own stupid fault.

(And would her example have been any less helpful had she waited until she graduated before discussing what occurred at a school she chose to attend where the stated policy of the institution was to discriminate against her should they learn of her deception?)

[No Elephants]

15. Yes, her example would have been less helpful after graduation.

Passage of time does make a difference, especially when potential teen suicide is an issue.

It also makes a difference in how fast you want society to gain a better understanding. Or,

Have you even thought about what Javier's life must have been like? Or are you simply eager to dump for her alleged lack of personal responsiblity?

I realize she is not MLK, Jr. but he got shot after engaging in activities he knew very well might result in his death at the hands of some bigot and/or loon. ("I may not get there with you...")

Would you say his being assassinated was his own stupid fault? And he should have refrained? At least for a few more years?

ETA. Since she did not commit suicide, what does the possibliity that she might commit suicide after expulsion have to do with this?

[Journeyman]

18. I'd be interested in seeing the contract MLK, Jr. signed for his assassination. . .

Domaine Javier, on the other hand, did sign a contract with the college. It's a bullshit agreement, and has no place in respectable society, but she signed it and they invoked their options.

(Using your favored word for the evening, am I to assume we now need a "Godwin's Law" to encompass pointless references to Dr. King?)

[No Elephants]

19. Godwin's law originated as a joke. Literally, a joke. Using your favored word for the evening,

apparently a lot of idiots took it seriously.

It's bullshit, even when it applies to its only subject, allusions to Nazis.

You're welcome.

ETA: I'd be interested to know what contract Javier signed with her college saying she was not transgendered or that she'd be expelled if she discussed her gender identity on TV.

See Reply 18.

[Journeyman]

20. Simple to find. Go to the California Baptist University website. . .

www.calbaptist.edu/

There you'll find a tab for Student Life, which leads to a PDF of the Student Handbook. On page 7 of the handbook, you'll find the specific rules -- the "Standard of Student Conduct" -- which Javier agreed to when she signed to attend the college, and the very plainly stated intent of the college to deal harshly with any student who fails to abide by the Standards set by "the institution and Southern Baptist traditions."

Well, this bores me unbelievably. Both the plight of Javier and Southern Baptist bigotry. I hope she manages to pull her life back together soon and finds another program in which to enroll. Maybe it will be one with better quality academics. She'd be hard pressed to find one with a more restrictive social environment.

[No Elephants]

24. Fail. All Javier did was answer a question about her gender honestly.

For her to have checked a different box would have been for her, lying.

Unless the student booklet required her to lie about her gender, or barred her from telling the truth about how she filled out her application, I don't think the booklet proves your point.

BTW, if do you want to prove a point, you don't expect people to go digging around a website or reading an entire handbook rying to guess what you think supports your claim.

Cite soemthing specific in the handbook that you believe she signed onto as a contractual obligation.

Also, please indicate how you know exactly what Javier allegedly agreed to when when she "signed" to attend the college. In fact, I'd like to know what she signed to attend college, Hint. An application for admission doesn't count, unless you can show that she had been told the contents of the handbook and told that, by applying, she would be agreeing to abide by all its terms. Also, that she was 18 or over shen she signed whatever she signed.

BTW, seeming desperate to dump on a transgendered kid doesn't suggest that you are so terribly bored with this subject.

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[Bette Noir]

7. It is unfortunate that the local public college in Riverside, where I got my nursing education,

only gives two-year degrees. The two colleges in the area that grant four-year degrees (for about the same amount of work) are both religious schools. Ms. Javier may have had her eye set on a career that requires the four-year degree.

If she's not averse to medicine as a career, UC Riverside has a good biomed program that grants a BA in 3 years.

[alp227]

13. Huh? UCR gives 2 year degrees? Doubt any UCs do nt

[Tiggeroshii]

21. I believe what they meant is that UCR does not grant nursing degrees.

The closest school to offer a 4 year nursing degree is CSUSB -but that's quite some drive from Riverside.