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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 06:46 PM Original message |
Hugo Chavez orders seizure of British company's land for Venezuelan state |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. How does this make life better for his citizens? |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Because the goods and profit made from that land now get to stay in Venezuela |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. there is good and bad to this move -- the bad is that no outside investor |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. They'll be fine |
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teddy51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I suspect that the US has been trying to topple Chavez for some time now, but |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
43. He's done some good for our people ,too. The ONLY oil company that |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. But they're importing food |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Maybe now that will change |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Actually the US exports a lot of products |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Not in comparison to what we import |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. No, they were not producing their own food before. Vestey was producing it. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
57. Incorrect |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
82. They also have 27 percent inflation and an unbalanced economy |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Not only is that good for Venezuelans, but also for ordinary British people. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Moves like this have led to them importing food....how does this change that? |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Well... |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. How? By continuing to do whatever the British owners are doing |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. How much food do the British import? (Rhetorical) n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:13 AM Original message |
The same land and climate that produced food for Vestey to profit from is still there. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
58. Get a clue |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
63. You switch from growing cash crops to staples, very simple. Lot more food gown with less energy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
65. No, that's wrong. Decades of bad government led to their ag system |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 03:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
80. You mean stay within the Chavez family. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Because it encourages foreign investors to keep their money |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Or to cease investing money in Venezuela? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
66. Venezuela is not hurting for investors. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
83. When your monetary policy is centered on restricting capital flight |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
59. No respect |
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teddy51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I agree with you totally... And yep, the US should take a chapter from this, but they won't. n/t |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Really? |
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teddy51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Any and all corporations that send our jobs over seas and pay no tax in the US. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Let's start with Saudi Arabia for their support of Terrorism |
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CrackersMcGee (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. If you don't mind 15 dollars a gallon, it's fine and dandy. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Maybe with greener cars and more jobs, higher gasoline prices would be easier to handle. |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Let's start here |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 01:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
39. Why are Chevron and ExxonMobil drilling in Nigeria? And Canada? And Russia? |
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harrose (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. How about.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
48. The U.S. Commerce Department should have a list of all things in the U.S. that are under |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. The cleptocracy... |
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Cieran_WI (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Ha, I like that so much, I'm gonna steal it. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. Lmao. How dare Venezuela demand payment for its own territory in its own currency. |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Venezuela's... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Problems? You were talking about stealing. |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. "...Venezuela refuses to pay compensation in foreign currency..." |
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teddy51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Excellent points! When in Rome, do like the Romans. n/t |
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Little Tich (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
24. The Bolivars are useless. No wonder Agropecuaria Flora wants real money. |
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teddy51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Bullshit! What Chavez is saying is, I run this country not you the Corporations that take |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Long story short |
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Little Tich (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. How can scaring away investors be a good thing? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Venezuela is fine for investors. Vultures, not so much. |
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Little Tich (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Venezuela is not good for investors of any kind... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #40 |
61. You are speaking of vultures, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. The BRIC countries all invest in Venezuela. You are misinformed. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
50. No reason the land still cannot be farmed. |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
74. Why abandon the land? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. The Great Leap Forward.....killed millions. nt |
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Faithful One (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. What will happen is what happens every time. |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. From Wikipedia. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
69. Which is a big round pantload. |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
53. You might... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Currently trading at 4.30 VEF to 1.00 USD in the market place. That is some pretty nice ... |
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Little Tich (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 03:28 AM Response to Reply #56 |
79. What market place is that? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. You are totally incorrect |
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Little Tich (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
78. Nevertheless, the Per Capita food production has decreased slightly over the years. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
64. They operate as a net loss for Venezuela, they would be better off growing staple crops on the land |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
26. Great! - K&R n/t |
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CrackersMcGee (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. So, if you question Chavez, you automagically get extra punishment? Hmm, not sure about that... |
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Faithful One (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 05:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Contrary to the Chavez talking heads, one of the highest in Latin America. n/t |
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CrackersMcGee (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
85. World's highest murder rate. nt. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. Shocker.. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'd run the British off it I was him |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Same business that American companies or citizens have in owning thousands of acres... |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Yup and I say the same about them too |
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expatriate2mex (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. Might as well take it everywhere then, take all land and property from |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
62. Same reason why Citgo owns land/buildings in the US... |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 04:44 AM Response to Original message |
42. Good |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
54. Wonderful news! |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
70. I Have Defended Chavez on a Number of Occasions |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Expropriation is not confiscation. And it's perfectly legal. nt |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Well, Regardless of Whether It's Legal in Venezuela |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Compensation was offered |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:21 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Well... |
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CrackersMcGee (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 02:56 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez has ordered the immediate nationalisation of Agroflora. nt |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. No one ever respected the rights of the indigenous |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
77. It's hard to sympathise with the Vesteys. |
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