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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:35 AM
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Syria warns Israel off striking exiles




Sunday 02 May 2004, 4:39 Makka Time, 1:39 GMT


Bashar al-Asad: We'll respond to attack on Syria-based groups



Syrian President Bashar al-Asad has warned Israel that Damascus would consider any attempt to assassinate Syria-based leaders of Palestinian groups as aggression against Syria.


Targeting leaders of anti-Israel Palestinian groups in Syria would be "an aggression that will be handled as an aggression," al-Asad said in an interview with Aljazeera aired on Saturday.

Israeli officials have vowed to kill officials of guerrilla groups responsible for "terror acts", one of the most prominent of whom is Khalid Mashaal, the political leader of the Islamist resistance group Hamas, who lives in Syria.

"Even if Israel did not make a threat, the threat is always there. No one trusts Israel ... the threat has been there since Israel was created," al-Asad said. "Israel expresses itself freely, not through the freedom of speech but rather through the freedom of killings," he said.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/40209C3C-3CC6-4B25-9792-F55741DF41E7.htm
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:37 AM
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1. Israel doesn't give a fuck about his empty threats.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:40 AM
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2. Israel doesn't care about sovereignty or international law or human rights
Edited on Sun May-02-04 12:50 AM by IndianaGreen
Israel is a rogue pariah state that is only supported by the most extreme anti-progressive elements in this country.

Thankfully, there are many Jews in Israel and in America that oppose the horrible neocon policies that Israel has adopted under the Likud government.

ISRAEL'S SECURITY BARRIER MUST NOT BECOME A BARRIER TO PEACE

Brit Tzedek v'Shalom, the Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace, shares the deep concern of Jews everywhere for the security of Israelis. In the face of ongoing and devastating terrorist attacks from the West Bank, we understand why a broad cross-section of Israelis has called upon their government to erect a security barrier along Israel's border with the West Bank similar to the barriers on Israel's border with the Gaza Strip and Lebanon. Israel has the same right and obligation that all sovereign nations have to protect and defend their citizens. Regrettably, however, we believe that the current route of the barrier will not provide the security that Israelis seek.

PLACING POLITICS ABOVE SECURITY

The current announced route of the barrier is neither the most effective way to provide security, nor will it move Israel and the Palestinians down the path to negotiations—the only way towards true long-term security.

The route of the fence, which deviates significantly from the 1967 border, is not based on security considerations but on a narrow set of political interests (including the settler lobby) which aims to thwart the future formation of a viable Palestinian state. In order to include the maximum number of settlements, the barrier will place 14.5% of the land beyond the 1967 border on the Israeli side, enclosing 280,000 Palestinians on the Israeli side of the barrier. As a result, the proposed barrier will be nearly twice as long and much more expensive to build and defend than if it followed the 1967 border.

A BARRIER TO PEACE

If built according to the current plan, the barrier will disrupt the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, cutting them off from family, work, education, medical and other services. In addition, there are preliminary reports that 120,000 Palestinians have immigrated into East Jerusalem from the West Bank leaving behind their homes and families, fearing they would be cut off from Jerusalem on the Palestinian side of the barrier. This situation can only create greater unrest and resentment among the Palestinian people, fanning the flames of those who incite violence.

While there is strong support across Israeli society for construction of a security barrier, there is also widespread popular support for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict based on the 1967 borders. The construction of a security barrier so far east of the 1967 border increases friction and deepens distrust, seriously eroding the possibility of achieving a lasting peace. Building the barrier along the current route drives a further wedge between the Israeli and Palestinian leadership and pushes back the day when the two parties can return to negotiations.

THE U.S. MUST CONTINUE TO CAMPAIGN FOR REROUTING THE BARRIER

Brit Tzedek v'Shalom supports the U.S. government's commitment to ensuring that Israel constructs its security barrier in a manner consistent with its obligations under the Road Map to Peace in the Middle East. In the face of American pressure, the Sharon government has recently indicated to Washington that it will reroute some of the problematic portions of the barrier. This change in the route is a step in the right direction, but far short of what is required.

Brit Tzedek v'Shalom calls upon the U.S. government, in its engagement with Israel and the Palestinians, to work with Israel to ensure that the security barrier neither prejudges nor prevents future peace negotiations. American support for Israel's security barrier must be conditioned on further revisions of its route to conform closely to the 1967 border between Israel and the West Bank.

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For more information about Brit Tzedek v'Shalom, go to http://www.btvshalom.org

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:59 AM
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9. have you read Robert Fisk`s article
at the Palestine Chronicle? if not don`t miss it-check the scroll on the right about Christian Zionism. look at the list of biblical scolars...



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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:22 AM
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12. I'll check it out
Wasn't it published by CommonDreams as well?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:09 AM
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11. so erudite....
Not.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 08:50 AM
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18. The antonym is "uncultured"
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:33 AM
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13. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:41 AM
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3. Sharon trying to start a war in another place?
A despotic ploy to pull *'s bacon out of the fire with a little diversion :eyes:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:43 AM
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4. Brought to you by the same folks that got us into Iraq
Same cast of despicable neocon characters and their allies on the Hill.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:56 AM
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6. No matter how well a blind person is led around , they will eventully.....
trip over something if they also expect others to be careful them also. Hubris is a big thing to trip over, and is even harder to avoid when one put its there them selves

I was kind thinking along them lines when I read this:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040501_315.html

Bush Sees Brighter Future in Iraq
Bush Expresses Hope for Iraq's Future One Year After Declaring Major Combat Over

The Associated Press


WASHINGTON May 1 — President Bush says the United States will successfully pursue its work in Iraq in the face of a violent insurgency that seeks to undermine a peaceful transfer of power to Iraqis on June 30.

"Despite many challenges, life for the Iraqi people is a world away from the cruelty and corruption of Saddam's regime" and "we will finish our work," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.

Bush's comments come exactly a year after his declaration that major combat operations in Iraq had ended, a point he noted.

Two more deaths on the final day of April raised the U.S. death toll to at least 136, making it the deadliest month for American forces since Bush launched the war in March 2003.

Militias, remnants of the regime and foreign terrorists "have found little support among the Iraqi people," the president said.

Bush is pursuing twin goals on Iraq's future, trying to ensure an atmosphere of security as Iraqis move toward self-government and returning sovereignty to the people of Iraq on June 30.

He addressed the two biggest problems facing coalition forces, saying he is prepared to let local Iraqis negotiate the disarmament of "radicals" in the city of Fallujah while insisting that militias in the city of Najaf and elsewhere "must disarm or face grave consequences."
(snip)

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:58 AM
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8. I am convinced that Bush lives in a world of his own making
people like him are normally medicated and committed to institutions so that they don't hurt anyone.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:46 AM
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14. No need to degrade people in them places who are looking for help
The pharmacological approach to sanity only works for awhile. You also don't find many sadistic or narcissistic delusionals in there also. Mostly they get arrested by the police after they did something bad.

I listened to an alleged clinical psychiatrist get on the air during call in section on a public radio station. As the shrink went on the litany of his diagnoses of * being a Psychotic I was starting to chuckle to myself (The shrinks classified me as delusional schizophrenic, which at acute rare times I can say is true)

http://deoxy.org/w_value.htm

The Value of Psychotic Experience
by Alan Watts

I think most of you know from the announcement of this series of seminars and workshops during the summer, they're entitled 'The Value of Psychotic Experience.' And many people who are interested in an entirely new approach to problems of what have hitherto been called mental health are participating in these seminars and workshops, and doing something which is extremely dangerous and in a way revolutionary. For this reason:

We are living in a world where deviant opinions about religion are no longer dangerous, because no one takes religion seriously, and therefore you can be like Bishop Pike and question the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, the reality of the virgin birth, and the physical ressurection of Jesus, and still remain a bishop in good standing. But what you can't get away with today, or at least you have great difficulty in getting away with is psychiatric heresy. Because psychiatry is taken seriously, and indeed, I would like to draw a parallel between today and the Middle Ages in the respect of this whole question.

When we go back to the days of the Spanish Inquisition, we must remember that the professor of theology at the University of Seville has the same kind of social prestige and intellectual standing that today would be enjoyed by the professor of pathology at Stanford Medical School. And you must bear in mind that this theologan, like the professor of pathology today, is a man of good will. Intensely interested in human welfare. He didn't merely opine; that professor of theology KNEW that anybody who had heretical religious views would suffer everlasting agony of the most apalling kind. And some of you should read the imaginative descriptions of the sufferings of Hell, written not only in the Middle Ages, but in quite recent times by men of intense intellectual acumen. And therefore out of real merciful motivation, the Inquisitors thought that it was the best thing they could do to torture heresy out of those who held it. Worse still, heresy was infectious, and would contaminate other people and put them in this immortal danger. And so with the best motivations imaginable, the used the thumbscrew, the rack, the iron maiden, the leaded cat-of-nine-tails, and finally the stake to get these people to come to their senses, because nothing else seemed to be available.

Today, serious heresy, and rather peculiarly in the United States, is a deviant state of consciousness. Not so much deviant opinions as having a kind of experience which is different from 'regular' experience. And as Ronald Lang, who is going to participate in this series, has so well pointed out, we are taught what experiences are permissable in the same way we are taught what gestures, what manners, what behavior is permissable and socially acceptable. And therefore, if a person has so-called 'strange' experiences, and endeavors to communicate these experiences--because naturally one talks about what one feels--and endeavors to communicate these experiences to other people, he is looked at in a very odd way and asked 'are you feeling all right?' Because people feel distinctly uncomfortable when the realize they are in the presence of someone who is experiencing the world in a rather different way from themselves. They call in question as to whether this person is indeed human. They look like a human being, but because the state of experience is so different, you wonder whether they really are. And you get the kind of--the same kind of queasy feeling inside as you would get if, for the sake of example, you were to encounter a very beautiful girl, very formally dressed, and you were introduced, and in order to shake hands, she removed her glove, and you found in your hand the claw of a large bird. That would be spooky, wouldn't it?

Or let's suppose that you were looking at a rose. And you looked down in the middle where the petals are closed, and you suddenly saw them open like lips, and the rose addressed you and said 'good morning.' You would feel something uncanny was going on. And in rather the same way, in an every day kind of circumstance, when you are sitting in a bar drinking, and you find you have a drunk next to you. And he tells you, 'undistinguishable drunken ranting' and you sort of move your stool a little ways away from this man, because he's become in some way what we mean by nonhuman. Now, we understand the drunk; we know what's the matter with him, and it'll wear off. But when quite unaccountably, a person gives representation that he's suddenly got the feeling that he's living in backwards time, or that everybody seems to be separated from him by a huge sheet of glass. Or that he's suddenly seeing everything in unbelievably detailed moving colors. We say, 'well that's not normal. Therefore there must be something wrong with you.' And the fact that we have such an enormous percentage of the population of this country in mental institutions is a thing we may have to look at from a very different point of view, not that there may be a high incidence of mental sickness, but that there may be a high incidence of intolerance of variations of consciousness
(snip)

The funny part about the shrink is why is he living a country with such a person as his president. Sometimes I think the whole world has turned into giant nut house, but I catch myself and know it will all eventually pass.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 02:44 AM
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15. He packed a lot of lies into one small speech
Very impressive. Two real whoppers below, especially given the events of the last few weeks. If there was a Nobel Prize for lying, he would definitely be in the competition, along with the rest of his administration.

"life for the Iraqi people is a world away from the cruelty and corruption of Saddam's regime"

"Militias, remnants of the regime and foreign terrorists "have found little support among the Iraqi people," the president said."
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 07:46 AM
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16. He's a compulsive liar
It goes along with the madison ave top down ruling pyramid.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 08:43 AM
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17. Maybe someone could submit *'s name to this contest
I don't think he could win the contest but it does seem like someone stole a page out of his book, bending the rules to get the go ahead.

*co must be holding the record for something, I wonder if Ripley's "Believe it or not" has a section for most outrageous fraud

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_842259.html?menu=news.quirkies

World's biggest liar accused of cheating

The winner of the world's biggest liar competition has been accused of cheating and of "not being Cumbrian".

South African Abrie Kruger became the first overseas winner of the event since it began in 1974.

Kruger was was subjected to a chorus of Rule Britannia after he won the contest at the Bridge Inn, Stanton Bridge.

Spectators at the World's Biggest Liar contest abused the winner for "not being Cumbrian", despite it being open to competitors from all over the world.

Competitors are required to make up tall tales for a panel of judges, who decide who is the most convincing liar, saysThe Times.
(snip)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:51 AM
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5. if israeli strikes syria
all bets are off on the lives of many jews in england. the queen of syria is young ,intelligent, well respect lady, and comes from a very wealthy family in england. the backlash against such an attack would very,very bad for the jewish community..sharon is willing sacrifice his people for his own political power.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:56 AM
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7. Syria doesn't have a Queen, it is a republic
Were you thinking of Jordan where the Queen is Palestinian?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:06 AM
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10. opps - you`re right
she is a "first lady" of syria..
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