Files show Nazi criminals' U.S. intel role

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040513-052654-5254r

WASHINGTON, May 13 (UPI) -- Eight million pages of U.S. documents released Thursday reveal new evidence of U.S. intelligence agencies' close involvement with Nazi war criminals and indicate U.S. agents knew about Germany's plans for genocide sooner than thought.

The revelations have aroused debate about current U.S. intelligence practices and cast shadows over the record of U.S. officials who knew that Nazi Germany was rounding up and killing Jews by the millions but did little to stop it.

"As the world scrutinizes us today, we can hold up this project (to declassify the documents) and say we were willing to look at the worst and hold up the truth," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., at a National Archives news conference. snip

Naftali said the newly released records indicate five of Nazi Lt. Col. Adolf Eichmann's associates, all Holocaust perpetrators, worked for the CIA after World War II. snip

Besides revealing U.S. intelligence connections to Nazi war criminals, the documents show U.S. intelligence knew about Nazi genocide earlier than thought.

The documents show that U.S. agents conducted in-depth interviews in 1941 and 1942 with Jews who had escaped Germany or German-occupied territories. Some of those interviews included details of Hitler's campaign to kill all European Jews.

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[htuttle]

1. The United States has never come clean about it's involvement w/Nazis

Once Pearl Harbor was attacked, all those happy American Nazis who were dancing around swastikas at German-American Bund meetings suddenly vanished, and nobody spoke further about it (except maybe Izzy Stone).

All the US companies who financed and helped build Hitler's Wehrmacht (like Ford) acted as if nothing happened (except for a very few who were so greedy they didn't stop right after Pearl Harbor, like Prescott Bush's and Farrish's Union Bank), and nobody spoke further about it (except again, Izzy Stone).

Then after the war, so many of the European Nazis came over to their US friends for help and employment, and everyone said it was fine, since we had to beat the Soviets.

We have never fessed up to how responsible this country (and it's elite) was for the horrors of WWII.

[Just Me]

21. I wonder if the the papers will lead directly to freeperville. n/t

[Domitan]

2. Will Prescott Bush and company be exposed here?

I can only hope but won't hold my breath. Bush, Harriman, Dulles, DuPonts, Farrish, Walker et al...I want their names to go down in flames in the pit of infamy.

[eek]

3. The ship of Jewish refugees we turned away

Wonder if this has something to do with why we did that.

[Domitan]

6. What I thought before

this was due to cold indifference and selfish isolationism...but now, this is a possibility of an uglier layer revealed.

[nolabels]

7. I never was ever to find an reference yet but.......................

I heard of a story where there were a few Jewish shipping lines the Nazi's and rest of the world did much business together before and or during the war.

on edit: a couple links

The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America by John Stanton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=572722

Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed (J. Buchanan/New Hampshire Gazette)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=161235

How the Bush Family Wealth is Linked to the Jewish Holocaus
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=311500

on edit:To referance above

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
Chapter - II - The Hitler Project

Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy
(snip)
The beginning of the Hitler regime brought some bizarre changes to the Hamburg-Amerika Line--and more betrayals.

Prescott Bush's American Ship and Commerce Corp. notified Max Warburg of Hamburg, Germany, on March 7, 1933, that Warburg was to be the corporation's official, designated representative on the board of Hamburg-Amerika.@s2@s9

Max Warburg replied on March 27, 1933, assuring his American sponsors that the Hitler government was good for Germany: `` For the last few years business was considerably better than we had anticipated, but a reaction is making itself felt for some months. We are actually suffering also under the very active propaganda against Germany, caused by some unpleasant circumstances. These occurrences were the natural consequence of the very excited election campaign, but were extraordinarily exaggerated in the foreign press. The Government is firmly resolved to maintain public peace and order in Germany, and I feel perfectly convinced in this respect that there is no cause for any alarm whatsoever. ''@s3@s0

This seal of approval for Hitler, coming from a famous Jew, was just what Harriman and Bush required, for they anticipated rather serious `` alarm '' inside the U.S.A. against their Nazi operations.

On March 29, 1933, two days after Max's letter to Harriman, Max's son, Erich Warburg, sent a cable to his cousin Frederick M. Warburg, a director of the Harriman railroad system. He asked Frederick to `` use all your influence '' to stop all anti-Nazi activity in America, including `` atrocity news and unfriendly propaganda in foreign press, mass meetings, etc. '' Frederick cabled back to Erich: `` No responsible groups here urging boycott German goods<,> merely excited individuals. '' Two days after that, On March 31, 1933, the American-Jewish Committee, controlled by the Warburgs, and the B'nai B'rith, heavily influenced by the Sulzbergers (New York Times), issued a formal, official joint statement of the two organizations, counseling `` that no American boycott against Germany be encouraged, '' and advising `` that no further mass meetings be held or similar forms of agitation be employed. ''@s3@s1

The American Jewish Committee and the B'nai B'rith (mother of the `` Anti-Defamation League '') continued with this hardline, no-attack-on-Hitler stance all through the 1930s, blunting the fight mounted by many Jews and other anti-fascists.

Thus the decisive interchange reproduced above, taking place entirely within the orbit of the Harriman/Bush firm, may explain something of the relationship of George Bush to American Jewish and Zionist leaders. Some of them, in close cooperation with his family, played an ugly part in the drama of Naziism. Is this why `` professional Nazi-hunters '' have never discovered how the Bush family made its money?

The executive board of the Hamburg Amerika Line (Hapag) met jointly with the North German Lloyd Company board in Hamburg on Sept. 5, 1933. Under official Nazi supervision, the two firms were merged. Prescott Bush's American Ship and Commerce Corp. installed Christian J. Beck, a long-time Harriman executive, as manager of freight and operations in North America for the new joint Nazi shipping lines (Hapag-Lloyd) on Nov. 4, 1933.
(snip)

[UpInArms]

16. see also

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031017-110534-8149r.htm

October 18, 2003

Bush bank tied to Nazi funding

President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by the Associated Press.

<snip>

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Mr. Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen- Bornemisza, the report said.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

and

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

Friday, October 17, 2003

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

...more...

[nolabels]

18. Fritz Thyssen and the rest had a very elaborate sceme to hide the......

money in kind of shell game inside the netherlands, the allied forces after WW2 were getting close figuring out the shell game they played, but they just missed it. Part of or most of it's in the "Time for another Bush \ Nazi thread"

I got to go to work, but will dig it out later if no one else does, thanks for the reply

[Just Me]

19. I sure as hell hope they catch up with Weyrich, Scaife and gang!!! n/t

[Just Me]

4. Serendipitous revelations. What timing!!! n/t

[nolabels]

5. Eight million pages?

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

[5thGenDemocrat]

8. Not a surprise here

My dad served in Army Counterintelligence from 1949-53. I remember when the stories came out years ago about the US Government hiring former SD and Gestapo types right after WWII -- because I talked to him about it.
He said many of his instructors at Fort Holabird, Maryland in 1949 and 1950 were former German Army and Gestapo officers. The abundance of German names and thick German accents didn't escape his attention.
Anyhow, dad died in 1989 -- so this information, while now expanded and declassified, is NOT all new.
John
For what it's worth, Pops spent his overseas time (1951-53) in downtown Tokyo monitoring Radio North Korea and building dossiers on UN prisoners-of-war who made statements giving aid and comfort to the enemy. No fingernail-pulling stuff that I'm aware of.

[saltara]

9. Maloney and H.R. 3439 (CIA and domestic law enforcement)

In the UPI article, Maloney adds: "We are confronted today with some of the very same questions and very same issues in intelligence gathering"

But she was one of two sponsors in the House - back in November 2003 - of a bill that would permit the CIA to work with state or local law enforcement! That's right - the "Joint Terrorism Task Force Enhancement Act of 2003." The bill is listed with others on the Bill of Rights Defense Committee website under the heading: "Legislation that may threaten civil liberties". You can click on the bill and then read the text of the legislation:

http://www.bordc.org/legislation.htm#CLRAHR

There was a protest outside her office in NYC back in December 2003. There were meetings with her staff voicing alarm over a bill which would allow CIA to be embedded with local law enforcement. The status of this bill - is it "off the table"? - is unclear to me. Where does Rep. Maloney stand now - does she still think it's a good idea to allow CIA to work with law enforcement in this murky "war on terrorism"? Why would a liberal Democrat - in November of 2003 - fail to see the threat to civil liberties in giving legislative sanction to breaking down the barriers between CIA and domestic law enforcement (the barriers are already porous, many would point out, but such a bill makes it worse)? What do you think?

[Octafish]

20. It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery stuffed inside an enigma!

And the kernel of truth it contains is that the same schmucks we fought in World War II have come back to help ruin the nation today. The CIA's been embedded with local law enforcement long before 9-11. If you're interested in the subject, Politcal Research Associates is a good place to start. Good luck!

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/repression/history.html

Most importantly: Excellent catch, saltara! A hearty welcome to DU!

[Solon]

10. American Nazis and German Nazis work hand in hand.

Hasn't changed much, the CIA hates democracy as a system, I'm sure they have many 'Patriotic' Americans in it now that are Fascist. This may seem like old history, but remember, many of the elite in this country were actually praising both Hitler and Mussolini when they visited their countries. Particularly the Union busting and pro-business stances of these regimes. Another note, the predecessor of the CIA the OSS was nicknamed "Oh, So Social!" for the amount of rich bastards that were members of it. Like I said, not much changed, many of the people who were TRAINED by the Gestapo are still around, both in the "Company" and out of it. They CIA poses an imminent threat to American Democracy, and should be destroyed, I don't care if they are temporary allies of us, they are dangerous, and I wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[proud patriot]

11. Here's my local papers article on this

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/8665353.htm?1c

[Voltaire99]

12. Yet another eruption of the pus-filled legacy of J. Edgar Hoover.

Democracy Now reported today that some ex-Nazis were cleared personally by Hoover to be used as anti-Communist spies.

[hughee99]

13. As much as I'd like to place the blame

squarely on the BFEE, Hoover and war profiteers, didn't this happen under Truman? Dosen't our own party have some responsibility for this crime?

[Eloriel]

14. Truman truested Allen Dulles

I'm not sure how complicit or even aware Truman himself was of what was going on. Maybe some history buffs can clue us in. I'd like to know.

[NashVegas]

22. Dulles Brothers

Ever read Tom Robbins? In Fierce Invalids ... every time a Dulles brother is mention, the good guys spit.

[Jose Diablo]

15. No, this is what is called

the "shadow government". These people are never elected. They go on from administration to administration.

With the CIA operating profit centers like drug and gun running, they do not even have financial oversight from congress.

What has been pointed out in a post above, those individuals running Nazi Germany's program of genocide were hired by our own intelligence agencies to fight the cold war with communism. Some might even say the fight with communism was really just a continuation of WWII to keep the 'spooks' and the MIC in jobs.

The CIA is a festering sore. Carter tried to heal the sore by getting ride of about 600 operators in the CIA. You saw how he faired with that effort and the Iran-Contra election rigging, aka the hostage release deals made with Iran before the Carter-Reagan election.

I would say the biggest reason we find ourselves in the problems we have today is due directly to the CIA and its manipulation of world events. It is not surprising the people in Iraq are being tortured when you examine who exactly is running the prisons.

You can also expect that if they get away with what they are are doing in Iraq, we as citizens of the USA can expect equal treatment from these assholes when they get back here.

The CIA answers to no one, and thats the problem. Our politicians do not control the CIA, the CIA controls our political process.

With that said, I must point out that the CIA is not monolithic. It has different parts or cells. It is not even clear to me that those at the top of the CIA know what is going on in all parts. I suspect some cells are operating totally independently of even the top echelon of the CIA.

As information gathering the CIA, by and large does what it is supposed to do in a democratic society. It is the 'black-bag' or operations part that is dangerous and needs to be opened up to public oversight and placed squarely under control. Laws should be passed to make them accountable to law and those not following the law, should be put in jail and the key thrown away.

Where it is shown that top administration officials have misused operatives to further a political agenda that is contrary to our laws, then those officials should also be placed in jail along with the operatives.

This is bullshit having an American Gestapo or KGB.

[Just Me]

17. They also create NGOs (NPOs) & "think tanks". n/t