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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:35 PM
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Bush says he had little contact with Chalabi
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 02:43 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N01373876.htm

WASHINGTON, June 1 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush on Tuesday distanced himself from Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi, the one-time top U.S. ally who was passed over for a job in the country's new interim government.

In the Rose Garden to praise newly announced Iraqi leaders, Bush said he had had little personal contact with Chalabi and that decisions on whether to include him or not in the new interim government were made by the U.N. envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi.

"Mr. Brahimi made the decision on Chalabi, not the United States. Mr. Brahimi was the person that put together the group. And I haven't spoken to him or anybody on the ground as to why Chalabi wasn't taken," Bush said. snip

Bush said, "My meetings with him were very brief. I think I met with him at the State of the Union and just, kind of, working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders."

"But I haven't had any extensive conversations with him," the Republican president said.

more

That's Chalabi directly behind Laura Bush.

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:36 PM
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1. the only thing he's had "extensive conversations" with are bags of cocaine
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:36 PM
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2. and bottles of Old Crow
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:38 PM
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4. And that little voice in his head
that tells him to do evil things, that he thinks is god talking to him.

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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:37 PM
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3. Uh huh.
Just like he had little contact with Kenny Boy Lay.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:38 PM
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5. Ken Lay Who errr I Mean Chalabi Who?
Ahh the cacophonous sound of backpedaling and trying to cover your ass...Too many pics of the Chimp all buddy buddy with this Iranian spy though!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:54 PM
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22. I had a bunch of photos from the Washington Post of Ahmad Chalabi
and the Republicans. One with John Warner, Bill Frist, Mitch O'Connell and Bennett was a real classic.

The link doesn't work anymore to bring 'em up. But I'm sure the Washington Post will be reminded to print them again.

I'm also sure many fiends will recall that junior and Chalabi spent more than a few hours together.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:10 PM
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29. here's one of him with Jesse Helms


and Rick Santorum



and here's one with Bremer



and his arrival in Iraq with lots of military

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:19 PM
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32. IRANIAN SPY HAD CLOSE TIES W/ BUSH ADMIN AND REPUB
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 03:22 PM by Beetwasher
LEADERSHIP!

Now why isn't this the blaring headline on every paper in the country with these pictures plastered everywhere. Here, I'll even start the piece:

"Suspected Iranian spy Ahmend Chalabi had close ties with top Republican leadership including top officials in the Bush administration, the Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader. Chalabi is suspected of passing highly classified information to Iran after being given access to these materials by officials high up in the Bush administration and the Republican leadership. Granting access to this type of information to an intelligence agent from a foreign country, especially during a time of war and one with a history of antagonism towards the US and listed as part of the "axis of evil" could be considereed high treason."
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:17 PM
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78. Many more pics here!
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:10 PM
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92. Question
Does A. C. have some sort of back problem, he looks like what grandpa used to say -- like he has a corncob stuck up his ***.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:00 PM
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26. "I barely knew Ahmeddy-boy"
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:38 PM
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6. He was next to your wife for at least one major speech, pal (nt)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:52 PM
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21. Maybe Laura was Chalabi's main contact.
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 02:53 PM by struggle4progress
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:39 PM
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7. Is he running anything? He knows nothing and people want to vote for him?
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 02:40 PM by Marianne
http://www.forgotston.com/Hear,%20see,%20talk%20no%20evil.jpg

I mean really--how can he run for president--he knows nothing of what anyone is doing and he has been there for almost four years. I mean how much can he continue to deny. This is very very serious stuff--very very serious, although you would never know it if you read American media.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:11 PM
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60. I know I know I know
Sometimes I try to avoid reading these things. The truth! How much disgust and outrage can you feel in one day????????

Oh, man, I "think" he was at the State of the Union?

Fire this piece of trash now.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:39 PM
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8. Yes. And perfect strangers are usually invited
to sit next to the first lady at the SOTU address
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Woody Guthrie Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:39 PM
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9. The accoutability president...
I seem to recall something about restoring dignity and accountability back to the oval office but thig guy just keeps passing the buck.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:47 PM
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14. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:20 PM
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33. Welcome to DU and....great name!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:37 PM
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36. Welcome to DU. You're already present in the form of my avatar
:hi:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:42 PM
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38. Hello fellow Tulsan
Welcome...love the screen name too.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:40 PM
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10. Fantastic. Now the press can dig up how many times and for how long
they met.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:48 PM
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15. Lazy-ass press never reported on the Ken Lay/Shrub friendship
The personal notes and memos between those two were never exposed in the American media.

Dumbya flew everywhere in '99 on an Enron jet. Try to find a video or still of Bush boarding or exiting that plane.

Too many Judith Millers; too few Sy Hershes.



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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:51 PM
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19. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!
The lies are now on record, but that minor fact never has stopped this guy and his coharts before!
:eyes:
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:40 PM
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11. BS - Brahimi decided nothing till long after the US installed Chalabi
Darn those pesky facts!!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:40 PM
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12. he had little contact. . .
but initiated a pre-emptive war based on Chalabi's (the known extortionist's) bogus (so-called) intelligence that's cost us 200 billion and collectively 10's of thousands of lives and debillitating injuries.

Oh but * had little contact. So never mind.

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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:43 PM
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13. This is Ken Lay all over again
Hmm, so Dubya had little contact with Chalabi. Barely even knew who he was in fact.

"just, kind of, working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders."

Special Guests of Mrs. Bush at the State of the Union

Dr. Adnan Pachachi President, Iraqi Governing Council Dr. Pachaci is President of the Iraqi Governing Council and President of the Iraqi Independent Grouping. He is former Foreign Minister and Permanent Representative to the United Nations.

Minister Hoshyar Zebari Iraqi Interim Foreign Minister Mr. Zebari is a member of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), and was the KDP's head of International Affairs before being named Iraqi Interim Foreign Minister on September 1, 2003. He holds a Masters Degree in Sociology from Essex University.

Dr. Ahmed Chalabi Iraqi Governing Council Member Dr. Chalabi is founder and head of the Iraqi National Congress (INC). He is also a mathematics professor and a businessman.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-5.html

Hey, I bet Trent Lott didn't know Chalabi either!

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:51 PM
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20. Clearly Pickles' fault.
He's running out of people to blame.
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:01 PM
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27. You know, it just occurred to me
that maybe Bush DOESN'T know who Chalabi is.

Never mind the fact that Chalabi was being groomed by Bush's underlings to run Iraq. Never mind that Chalabi was responsible for passing to Bush's underlings much of the bogus information about weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe Bush did meet with him a couple of times. Maybe he nodded and smiled and when the meeting was over said, "who the fuck was that?"

And his underlings said, "Don't worry about it Mr. President. It's just some guy. No big deal."

I don't think Bush has a clue what goes on around him, nor do I think he cares.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:13 PM
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30. Well, there is photographic evidence of being in the same room.
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 03:14 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
That's a known. The next question is "How involved was the relationship?" Your scenario is totally plausible----perhaps this is why the Republicans like to place persons of limited mental capacity at the helm. Reagan and Bush are both individuals of limited intellect but they both have some perceived "regular Joe" mojo. It's the perfect prototype to be able to spin in either direction. Iow, get "strong" or get "stupid." People can believe both.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:37 PM
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44. he only does what the voices in his head tell him to
ya know... the 'a-team'

why would you care when you got the best-n-brightest on board.

shoot even the bnb in the media were onboard as well :puke:

well, it is going to be very interesting to see how the media deals with the remainder of the 'a-team's' term.

apparantly they are going dem this time round but... will they keep at it till we start seeing people being frog marched out of this admin if resignations aren't agreed to before hand.

peace
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:23 PM
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62. Very plausable - O'Neill (in his book) described Bush...
...during meetings as being distant, but not in a contemplative way - more like a glassy-eyed way. Crashcart might've paraded him thru along with other members of the INC.

Nope, Chalabi is Cheney & Wolfowitz's bud...
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:00 AM
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69. Thats my thoughts...
* and probably pickles too, really has no clue about why they went to war, about what is going on and who is who. In fact, isn't he the guy who will not do any interviews alone? Probably because he is told he cant. We need him out of office but first his staff needs to go, just like Gore said in his speech in NY.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:18 PM
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79. There's a pic of Bush* and Chalabi here.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:58 PM
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24. Great research!
Thanks, I can't wait to email this article to one of his die-hard supporters...
Another lie exposed!
:evilgrin:
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:02 PM
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52. yeap. "i did not have social intercourse with those men"
least we forget bush's nickname for chalabi....."stickyfingers"
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:13 PM
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55. If I had a hard copy of that...
...I'd be tempted to mail it to Lott's office with a request for him to autograph it for me.

I'm one of his "constituents", and I use that term very freely.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:49 PM
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16. I wager there are others he won't remember meeting with.
and eventually Rumsfeld may be one of them.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:50 PM
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17. more revisionist history


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040520/photos_ts/mdf572741

The raid on Ahmad Chalabi's headquarters in Baghdad on May 20, 2004 marks an ignominious fall for a man who helped make the U.S. case to topple Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) but was seen as a duplicitous opportunist by U.S. diplomats and spies. Four months ago Chalabi was a guest of first lady Laura Bush at the State of the Union speech, Washington's premier political event, and a favorite of the Pentagon (news - web sites), which paid his Iraqi National Congress $340,000 a month for intelligence. President Bush (news - web sites) is shown with Chalabi (R) and Iraqi Governing Counsel member Dr. Jalal Talabani in Baghdad Nov. 27, 2003. (Larry Downing/Reuters)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:01 PM
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39. ah yes, the plastic turkey moment....
LOL.... "I don't know that Mr. Chalabi person!" Fuck You aWol*! This is one great photo-op that John Kerry should use against him!
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:08 PM
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40. "President Discusses Trip to Iraq with Reporters"
Remarks by the President to the Travel Pool
Aboard Air Force One

Q Mr. President, we were told you got to see Mr. Chalabi today?

THE PRESIDENT: I did see Chalabi. I met with -- well, let's see, I had the dinner, you saw that. I wasn't sure how long you were there, you probably timed it, but an hour or so -- are these the times? Oh, these are the people there.

I shook a lot of hands, saw a lot of kids, took a lot of pictures, served a lot of food and we moved on to see four members of the Governing Council -- the names are here. Talibani is the head of it right now, so he was the main spokesman. But Chalabi was there, as was Dr. Khuzaii, who had come to the Oval Office, I don't know if you all were in the pool that day, but she was there -- she was there with him, and one other fellow, and I had a good talk with them.

We were there for about maybe a little less than 30 minutes. I was able to assure them that we were going to stay the course and get the job done, but I also reminded them what I said publicly, that it's up to them to seize the moment, to have a government that recognizes all rights, the rights of the majority and the rights of the minority, to speak to the aspirations and hopes of the Iraqi people. I assured them that I believe in the future of Iraq, because I believe in the capacity of the people to govern -- as I said, govern wisely and justly. I meant what I said. I told them that privately. I told them I back Jerry Bremer a hundred percent. He's got my full confidence. He was sitting right there, as well. We had a nice visit.

They assured me that they were making good progress, that the Iraqi people are overwhelmingly pleased that Saddam is gone, that they do see a bright future, and they want us to -- they want to work with us.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/20031127-1.html

(This was, of course, the infamous turkey trip.)
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:43 PM
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56. "Jerry" Bremer?? WTF is that?
The guys name is Louis Paul Bremer III. Jerry is his nick?
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:50 PM
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18. Bush = lie lie lie n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:59 PM
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25. Well, there may be something to what's you saying, 'eh?
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:55 PM
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23. Bush isn't intellectually capable of having "extensive conversations"
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:00 PM
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63. Well, maybe with Chalabi.... he does not stike me as the smartest
horse out of the gate either.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:04 PM
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28. Bremer installed Chalabi - Brahimi was vehemently against him - transcript
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 03:05 PM by Melinda
But I've got to say that, you know, the whole idea of firing the entire Iraqi army, which the administration of Bremer did at the very beginning, and then putting, of all people, Chalabi...

BLITZER: Ahmed Chalabi.

ROCKEFELLER: Yes. A Shia, and a mightily unpopular one in the country, and mightily unpopular on the Governing Council, in charge of that operation was really foolish. Now, they're backing away from that, and that is wise.

BLITZER: Was it a mistake to let Ahmed Chalabi have this high- profile role? He was a favorite, as you well know, over at the Pentagon. The vice president liked him, the vice president's office. But there was always concern at the State Department, at the CIA, over Ahmed Chalabi.

LUGAR: Well, there's currently been a conflict within our own government. In retrospect, probably not a good idea.

Now, of course, we come to the point in which Ambassador Brahimi, in trying to name the people, the 29 people for the new government, is pointedly pointing toward the fact that Chalabi will not be one of them. I heard Chalabi in an interview this morning indicating that he doesn't like Brahimi, believes he's a Sunni, essentially doesn't have the confidence of the Iraqi people.

That's one.

*edited for spelling
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:14 PM
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31. Dr. Adnan Pachachi The FUCK next to pickles in this pic YUCK
Is the fuck the US wanted to install as President. The Iraqi Council defied US demands and this old fucking creep-shit has been sidelined.

Some say he was afraid of an early suicide so he graciously denied the offer. Doesn't he look well loved by the adoring PICKLES?

He must well understand the negative Midas touch the BFEE has. Everything they love turns to shit. And all that they spawn is shit.

Bush on Chalabi in todays press conference was like talking with a three year old about a bowel movement. "Yes Mommy Mister Turdicous is about to be flushed."

I can't get away from the sorry truth that when one talks about the Bush family it just comes down to shit.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:24 PM
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34. It's Possible Everything Went Through The CIA
Or Condi for plausible deny-ability. He's still lying or totally clueless which amounts to the same thing.
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:38 PM
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45. "The Lie Factory"
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 04:38 PM by Alpharetta
The CIA wasn't given a chance to vet Chalabi's lies.

Take a look at this excellent diagram of how PNAC members in the Pentagon channeled Chalabi's lies to Cheney.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_400.html
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:40 PM
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84. Whether it did or didn't,
they can now claim that it went through the CIA.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:25 PM
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35. cheney needs to answer the question of how many times he met Chalabi
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:40 PM
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37. He didn't know Kenny Boy Lay either
He's very forgetful. Not a good quality in a "friend."

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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SeattleDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:10 PM
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41. then we should thank Brahimi for uncovering a spy for Iran
so, Bush is saying that no one in the US intelligence agencies had any idea they were being so badly duped? That in fact, the UN just saved our asses by uncovering the truth about our top informanant on Iraq???

is he trying to make us look even more incompetent than he already has???

UN to the rescue of the US....

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:11 PM
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42. Randi Rhodes keeps playing the Bush denial of association with Chalabi
should we be waiting around for any journalist to point out to the American people the absolute lies on the part of our presidunce?

Nope--do not hold your breath--no one will point out that the Chalabi was the guest of Laura the Stepford frump, the great "national comforter",in the balcony and they all applauded as Bush went through the rote of his address.

Yup, they were there--pictures do not lie.

But Bush does.

No one to point it out?

Figures--he has been given this pass from the media since day one.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:33 PM
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43. Maybe * should ask his stupid wife about chalabi...
n/t
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:52 AM
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71. ha ha!
Ive been calling b*ush the anti Christ well before 9/11. No I'm not a bible thumper but I do love the darkness of the Book of Revelations.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:45 PM
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46. Force all these people to live in poverty for a mere six months,...
,...they couldn't handle it,...I guarantee that they couldn't handle it. Take away all their "anchors",...force them into the lot of "the rest of us",...no lifejackets, no buoys,...and watch them sink,...

They deserve a taste of the real life. They have earned it.

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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:48 PM
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47. Dubya has little contact with reality.
But then so does Chalabi. They don't need contact with each other, so long as they have Rumsfeld and Cheney.
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silverpatronus Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:05 PM
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48. pass the buck on the left hand side...
brahimi is the newest scapegoat?
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:10 PM
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49. can you say ..... LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE !!!!!!
oh puh-leeze....the place of "honer" behind pickles doesn't go to just ANYBODY .... < "are you gonna believe me or what you see ...">

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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:27 PM
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50. In other words, the chimp knows Chalabi so well, he knows if he wears....
boxers or briefs, not to mention what color they are on any given day.

If anything, whatever comes out of Bush's mouth means the exact opposite of what he means. This means he knows him WELL.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:28 PM
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51. "I did not have war planning relations with that man, Mr Chalabi"
"Well it depends how you define war planning." Calling Kenneth Starr - there may an untruth far more important than a lie about consensual sex that you should look into.
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:22 PM
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53. Yeah, but...
...he didn't say Laura hadn't had extensive contact with Chalabi.

LOL. That dookus! We've got pictures you idiot-moronic little twit of a fraudulent president!

There, I feel better now.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:28 PM
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54. Bush is 100% consistent!
Chalabi is pretty crummy. But you can't blame Bush. Bush had little contact with Chalabi.

The reality in Iraq is pretty crummy. But you can't blame Bush. Bush has had little contact with reality.

See?

Emperor. Nekkid. Next.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:51 PM
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57. Who ya' gonna fire, punk?
If you didn't personally screw this up, then SOMEBODY who works for you did. They are incompetent. People in the intelligence business do not get to screw up on such a grand scale and get away with it. They should be arrested immediately and thoroughly investigated.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:14 PM
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61. Ewwwww,...so, true!!! The rest of the "free" market wouldn't escape
such magnificent incompetence. Why are the neocons given such latitude in utmost failure? It's not like they have ever earned any forgiveness (being the vengeful pack that they are).

They deserve to receive what they have given,...outside their elite circle of profiteers. Let us join together to ensure they get what they have dished out,...yes?
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:37 PM
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83. How about the head of the CIA?
The passage of time answered your question.
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:01 PM
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58. I bet they claim Chalabi was a whitehouse sleep-over guest of Clintons
I say by tomorrow, this story will be all over right-wing radio -- clinton and chalabi were best friends.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:07 PM
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59. Bush lies. n/t
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:34 PM
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64. No, Bush didn't meat with Chalabi that often
Cheney and Rumsfeld met with him quite a bit on Bush's behalf.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:40 PM
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65. Bush is really relying heaviliy on his Sargeant Schultz model
"I know nothink!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:00 PM
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66. Ken Lay, James Bath, John W Hinkley, Chalabi-- Bush knew none of them
Bush has denied knowing any of these people. He denied knowing James Bath under oath, then had to recant. He lived a block or two from John W. Hinckley for over a year in Lubbock, while their fathers were close friends, and while Neil Bush was friends with John W's brother and father.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:36 PM
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68. Don't forget the Bin Laden family too!
He sure knows lots of crooks.

Makes you go, hmmmmmmm, don't it?
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:08 PM
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67. Bush doesn't have much contact with anyone who's not in his
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 10:09 PM by amandabeech
little inner circle. It seems that he only really sees Pickles, Condi, Rove and Dick Cheney for any substantive discussion at all. George Tenet may show up to read him highlights of the daily security briefing, but it has been shown that Bush does not ask much in the way of questions. O'Neil has written that the cabinet meetings are well-scripted plays for posterity. Maybe Bush talks to Rummy once in a while, but the rest of his contact with the human race seems to consist of brief walk-throughs and photo-ops. Bush has to be one of the most isolated Presidents that we've ever had, and perhaps one of the most isolated people on the planet.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:41 AM
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70. This is just too much
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 02:53 AM by nolabels
After I am done laughing, I will laugh some more OMG

http://www.newcomicreviews.com/albums/RFAD/
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:30 AM
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72. Did Clinton ever have an accused wartime spy ...
... for Iran sitting with his (Clinton's) family and friends while giving the State of the Union address? I can't remember that ever happening. I guess my memory is fading. I'm not sure Clinton ever had any spies sitting next to Hillary and Chelsea. It seems like he didn't...
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:08 AM
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73. Get out of the way Chalabi, a bigger lying dog is coming in
Bottled irony anyone?

Bush has little intention of playing by the book

Saddam's gameplan may yet succeed in dividing his opponents

Richard Norton-Taylor
Monday December 9, 2002
(snip)
Ultimately the logic of the US argument is that, whatever is in the Iraqi declaration, and regardless of whether the UN inspectors find nothing and feel the Iraqis have cooperated, there will still be a case for war - because in that case the US's own undisclosed evidence means that Iraq will have lied and the inspectors been duped. This could drive a wedge between the US and the rest of the security council, including even Britain .

There is a further source of dispute. Straw said yesterday the resolution was "silent" on exactly who would determine whether the Iraq leader had committed a material breach of its obligations. The decision could be taken, not by the 15 security council members, he said, but by "the international community at large", whatever that means.

The resolution, in fact, says UN inspectors will report to the security council "any interference by Iraq with inspection activities, as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations". It would then "convene" and "consider the situation and "the need for full compliance".

All the signs, though, are that Bush is in no hurry - for a start, his military commanders are not yet ready. Meanwhile, British and US planes continue to soften up the air defence systems over southern Iraq, and Blair tries to soften up British public opinion by publishing a dossier about how brutal a dictator Saddam is. It may be argued Iraq would not have got this far without the threat of force. But the onus is now on those who want to use force to provide evidence for such a course of action.
(snip)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0%2C2763%2C856524%2C00.html


"This is not an appropriate place for
unleashing the begonias."

The Euphemism Generator
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:48 AM
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74. and he didn't know kenny boy either
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:58 AM
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75. except that meeting in the OVAL OFFICE to discuss Iraq
that he mentioned in his MTP interview
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:08 PM
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76. Evidence bush is a pathological liar
http://atrios.blogspot.com/ Also a picture of bush with Chalabi

George W. Bush last Feburary, on Meet The Press (emphasis added):


Russert: If the Iraqis choose, however, an Islamic extremist regime, would you accept that, and would that be better for the United States than Saddam Hussein?

President Bush: They're not going to develop that. And the reason I can say that is because I'm very aware of this basic law they're writing. They're not going to develop that because right here in the Oval Office I sat down with Mr. Pachachi and Chalabi and al-Hakim, people from different parts of the country that have made the firm commitment, that they want a constitution eventually written that recognizes minority rights and freedom of religion.





George W. Bush yesterday , Rose Garden press conference:


Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Chalabi is an Iraqi leader that's fallen out of favor within your administration. I'm wondering if you feel that he provided any false information, or are you particularly --

THE PRESIDENT: Chalabi?

Q Yes, with Chalabi.

THE PRESIDENT: My meetings with him were very brief. I mean, I think I met with him at the State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders. But I haven't had any extensive conversations with him.
...

Q I guess I'm asking, do you feel like he misled your administration, in terms of what the expectations were going to be going into Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: I don't remember anybody walking into my office saying, Chalabi says this is the way it's going to be in Iraq.

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DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:12 PM
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77. Bush had little contact with Chalabi
Brain cells have little contact with Bush
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:20 PM
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80. "....oh, except that ONE time we met. But I was too drunk to remember
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 12:58 PM by Dover
much. Why? Was it something I said?"
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:36 PM
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82. roflmao!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:30 PM
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81. Always best to keep reading, you might of missed something
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 12:32 PM by nolabels
Is the charade is wearing thin ?

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0603-10.htm
Who’s on First? The Baghdad Hand (Over) Job
by Marc Cooper


Stunning is the only way to describe what seems to be the precipitous collapse of the Pentagon’s political power in Iraq. Donald Rumsfeld might still have 138,000 troops on the ground, but after the sacking of Ahmad Chalabi last week and the embarrassing tussle over who will head Baghdad’s transitional government, the U.S. military’s assets in Iraq’s fledgling political structure are quickly evaporating.

The old Iraqi Governing Council may have been handpicked by Rumsfeld’s field deputy and occupation overseer Paul Bremer, but now the council is biting back as it takes the lead in shaping the next administration. Pre-empting the desires of both the U.S. and the U.N., the council last week named Iyad Allawi as the prime minister of the regime that will asssume “sovereignty” on June 30. And then, on Tuesday, the same council gave the Bushies another kick in the nuts (and snubbed U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi) when it named its current leader, Ghazi al-Yawer, as president of the new government. To emphasize its cantankerousness, the council then dissolved itself, handing over its functions to the new government it helped to birth.
(snip)
University of Michigan scholar Juan Cole, one of the smartest analysts of Iraqi internal politics, points out that part of the American unease around al-Yawer stems from his coziness with the House of Saud. He spent a good spell of his exile living in Saudi Arabia and also enjoys the support of the religious Shiite parties, which, Cole says, might suggest that al-Yawer’s partial to shari’a, or Islamic justice. Those are some legitimately worrisome notions.

Some of U.N. envoy Brahimi’s better intentions have also been thwarted in the anarchic government-building process of the last week. He was determined to stock the interim regime with apolitical “technocrats” so that no particular political faction would have the advantage of incumbency going into next year’s scheduled Iraqi elections. But the government forged by the council is top-heavy with ambitious political hacks representing some of Iraq’s most entrenched parties.
(snip)

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-06/03/article03.shtml
Allawi's Selection Followed PR Campaign In U.S.: Report
(snip)
The magazine attempted to shed some lights on his reported unpopularity among Iraqis.

It quoted the executive director of the ICRSS, Sadoun al-Dulame as saying that every newspaper that reported his appointment "has mentioned his CIA connection."

Allawi has sniped at the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq recently, but his ties to Langley (HQs of the U.S. Intelligence Agency, so infamous among Arabs in general) seem to have registered with Iraqis.

According to the Time, Allawi's Iraqi National Accord is funded by the CIA.

"He's a CIA man, like Chalabi," Raed Abu Hassan, a Baghdad University political science post-grad. told the Time.

"In this country, CIA connections are political poison
(snip)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_05_23.php
I continue to think that something very important happened in this selection of Iyad Allawi. Precisely what, though, remains unclear.
(snip)
But there's something else that seems still stranger. One thing that is almost universally acknowledged is that the IGC is unpopular. It's seen as a proxy for the Americans and in that sense a tool of the occupation. Indeed, that seemed to be at the forefront of Brahimi's thinking.

If that's so, why would he introduce his pick for Prime Minister, not by announcing it himself, but by having it rubber-stamped (as the Times suggests) by the IGC, and then letting the news dribble out that he -- i.e., Brahimi -- was behind the decision? That seems like something you would do if the group doing the rubber-stamping had a great deal of legitimacy or popular support. In that case, the endorsement would add to the legitimacy of the pick.

But we've been led to believe that Brahimi believes just the opposite. Thus, introducing his pick of Allawi in this way seems like a good way to hobble or delegitimize him.

I'm not doubting the Times' reporting. Nor am I questioning that this is what happened. Something, though, just doesn't seem to fit.
-- Josh Marshall


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:40 PM
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85. * gave $27 million to chalabi in 2 yrs oh that's what compassionate ....
conservatism means! plus $400,000 a month to a total stranger
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:43 PM
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86. Yeah, just like he had little contact with Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron...
....Liar....
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:59 PM
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87. Bush says he had little contact with Pickles, Pappy, or Babs.
Does he have any idea who this Tenet fellow is that is resigning? How about that bald guy who sat behind him at the State of the Union? Or that dufus who claims to be governor of Florida?

Maybe we should have him make a list of anyone he considers a friend, just for future reference.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:06 PM
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88. Atrios: W sat doen with Chalabi in the oval office
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 01:09 PM by robbedvoter
http://www.atrios.blogspot.com/2004_05_30_atrios_archive.html#108622561254607647


George W. Bush last Feburary, on Meet The Press (emphasis added):


Russert: If the Iraqis choose, however, an Islamic extremist regime, would you accept that, and would that be better for the United States than Saddam Hussein?

President Bush: They're not going to develop that. And the reason I can say that is because I'm very aware of this basic law they're writing. They're not going to develop that because right here in the Oval Office I sat down with Mr. Pachachi and Chalabi and al-Hakim, people from different parts of the country that have made the firm commitment, that they want a constitution eventually written that recognizes minority rights and freedom of religion. more
including more meetings.
Air America plays the dueling quotes on all the shows!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:17 PM
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90. Bush - " It doesn't count as contact if you use a condom."
.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:10 PM
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89. Chalabi is Perle's buddy
Together they bilked the Jordanian bank Chalabi was running out of millions.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:30 PM
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91. "But I haven't had any extensive conversations with him," No? What about
THIS, George?

"right here in the Oval Office I sat down with Mr. Pachachi and Chalabi and al-Hakim, people from
different parts of the country that have made the firm commitment, that they want a constitution eventually written that recognizes minority rights and freedom of religion.

How did you get such a firm committment out of Mr. Chalabi without having an extensive conversation with him?
Were you lying then or are you lying now? Which is it?
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