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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:34 PM
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Mel Gibson shocks expo attendees with F-word at Passion related appearance
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 11:35 PM by Democat
Mel Gibson shocked some attendees during a 20th Century Fox event at the posh St. Regis Monarch Beach Hotel in California last week.

The star was there to speak to the nation's biggest home DVD and video sellers as "The Passion of the Christ" went on sale online before its Aug. 31 release to retailers.

"He was silent for a minute, and then said, 'F-- you! I don't mean f-- you; I mean "f-- you" in general. I don't have to answer any of these questions anymore. I'm a hell of a lot wealthier than I once was.'

"People's mouths were hanging open."


Originally published on June 2, 2004

http://www.nydailynews.com/11-08-2002/news/col/r_m/story/198962p-171750c.html
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:37 PM
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1. Woa
kind of gives me a chuckle ...

Wonder what caused all that .
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM
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3. from my reading
he's saying simply that the success of the movie has allowed him, in general, to say "fuck you" to the world. It wasn't an outburst against the people there.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:35 AM
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45. but it sort of belies
"Christian ethics" - and the image pushed by the religious right that he was driven to do this movie by the strength of his faith when he rests upon the "I am a hell of a lot Richer than I was..." point. Sort of funny, if you think about it.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:34 PM
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88. I don't think so
the Bible condemns profanities (Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain) but "fuck" isn't profane. It's vulgar, and possibly obscene, but not profane.

His answer was just a vulgar way to say "I no longer care what the world thinks of my work". I don't think that's un-christian.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:42 PM
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91. It's very unchristian
to say you don't care about what the world thinks of your work, and it's even worse to say that it's because you have enough money.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:07 PM
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94. hrmm
Admittedly, it's been years since I've been a christian, but I don't recall any biblical backing for the idea that we should actively seek the approval of the world for our works. That would pretty much put the kibosh on all the revered martyrs, no?

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:51 PM
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97. It's not about "seeking approval". It's "caring about the world"
Christians are supposed to care about people and their happiness and their sufferings, and that means caring about what they think. Having money is no excuse for not caring.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 02:22 AM
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116. I'd say that his use of money to imply greater stature is the worst
What's the Bible say about wealthy men entering Heaven? Something about being as likely as a camel passing through a needle? If Gibson thinks that having a lot of money makes him better than everyone else, he has become like one of the Pharises (sp?) of the New Testament, valuing power and wealth over God. Which is particulary ironic, since he just released a movie showing these men as some of the villians who sacrificed Jesus.

A true man of God would have donated the profits of his movie to charity, rather than tell the world to fuck off because he's a few million dollars richer.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 01:08 PM
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125. I don't think he implies a greater stature
He doesn't say that the money makes him abetter person, but he does say thatthe money gives him the ability to say "Fuck you". According to the Bible I read, there's no justification for telling people to Fuck off".
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:57 AM
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120. I thought that
Thou shalt not take thy Lord's name in vain meant not using God's name in a way to promote yourself or something that is not a good thing. Sort of like Bush using God to get votes, or Pat Robertson using God to make money. So I agree that using the f word is in poor taste, but I don't think God made a whole commandment to address it.

I wonder what it would feel like to tell a whole room of people to fuck off?
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cestmoi Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:14 PM
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122. It is un Christian as the word F*** refers to a violent act not a
loving one. Anyone who uses the word is venting aggression.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:18 PM
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123. I wasn't refering to the profanities
but to the message per how much richer he is from the movie... and the implicit irony - given the one reported time that enraged Christ -per the money changers in the Temple.

I am not calling it an outrage. Just calling it as quite ironic.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:35 PM
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124. Bible also condemns vulgarities
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 12:35 PM by Roaming
Ephesians 4:29: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

Good advice, IMHO; what did my mom always say? If you don't have something good to say...

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:29 AM
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70. No accomplishment gives anyone the right to say "f-u" to the world. The
"world" also made possible his success as an actor and director. People who think they can say "f-u" to the world are headed for a fall.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:12 PM
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95. *shrug*
I'm not a fan of Gibson's, but I just don't read the statement that way. The original post leaves out the lead-in to his statement, which was: "One person asked him how the success of 'The Passion' had changed how he makes decisions."

Gibson gave a vulgar answer, but not a profane one. He's just saying he makes his own decisions based on his own conscience, not based on the opinions of others. Isn't that what all artists do?

He didn't say "fuck you" to the world. He said he trusts his own instincts when making decisions.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:52 PM
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98. Financial success should not affect how he makes decisions
I agree that his response wasn't profane, but it wasn't very Christian either.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:07 PM
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101. well
since there doesn't seem to be any consistency in what people consider "christian", I don't think there's a right answer.

And that's one of my basic problems with religion in general, christianity in particular: every possible evil has been defended as "christian". The term no longer has any real meaning.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #101
126. well
that is goof and true point, but I do think that both of us are aware enough of how various forms of Christian belief correlate with certain political beliefs to figure out which Christians believe that Jesus preached love, and which believe that Jesus preached power.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM
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4. probably just tired of answering questions to promote the movie (nt)
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM by Eric J in MN
nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:38 PM
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2. Thanks, that was funny (nt)
nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:42 PM
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5. Sounds like he got a little too passionate.
LOL!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:43 PM
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6. a tad more explains the "joke"-
I like Mel's level of tolerance.
he's had to put up with tons of criticism
for the making of the Passion...

Coincidentally, His movie was the turning point for the BA..


"One audience member recalls it this way:

"He was cantankerous and said he had just rolled out of bed. One person asked him how the success of 'The Passion' had changed how he makes decisions.

"He was silent for a minute, and then said, 'F-- you! I don't mean f-- you; I mean "f-- you" in general. I don't have to answer any of these questions anymore. I'm a hell of a lot wealthier than I once was.'

"People's mouths were hanging open."

A 20th Century Fox executive claimed it never happened, but a second ear-witness told us, "He was joking. He does have no trouble saying 'f-- you,' though."

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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:31 AM
Response to Reply #6
33. That Is A Fabulous Photo Of Kerry
Have you sent that to the campaign? He looks great, and the surrounding flags and r/w/b streamers make it just remarkable.

If this picture of Kerry were published, I am telling you his numbers would be positively affected (I say that as I am forced to look at the huge Boston Globe front page picture of * this morning at the Air Force Academy).
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:52 PM
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107. Deleted message
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:45 PM
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7. Was Jesus "speaking through" you, Mel?
Being filthy rich doesn't make one holier-than-thou, you know...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:08 AM
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16. Mel never claimed he was 'filthy'...just richer..
DemsUnite?
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:29 AM
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21. No, Devil. He's a "HELL of alot richer".
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:03 AM
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59. Among the Puritans, wealth proved that one was
favored by G-d. I think that's why today's fundies tend to propagate a wealth based theology and have no problem with the "compassionate" conservatism of *.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:45 PM
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8. He never claimed to a bible thumper.
I try to attend Church weekly and, sad to say, I still use the F word. Oh well, there are worse things than swearing.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:12 AM
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31. As a matter of fact he has claimed to be a bible thumper
he's founded his very own church...which ascribes to an extremely rigid catholic conservative ideology.

RC
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #31
41. right, but catholocism is monastic
so it's what you believe is 'out there' that matters, not what you do 'down here'. All you have to do is go to confession and say some hail mary's or maybe a little self-flagellation and you're good to go until next time.

Goofy religion, IMHO.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:47 PM
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92. I see your words are very biased
Maybe thats what you think the Catholic Church is about. I see you know very little about a church you think you know a lot about.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #92
103. well, I was raised in a catholic household
but I gave it up a long time ago.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 12:17 AM
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114. Need I say more?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #114
119. nope... you've said enough
thanks. ;-)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #31
46. Guess his own Church (I thought his Dad founded it)
ignores the money changers in the Church story taught by Christ. His little outburst that focuses not on the quality of the story or how many people he brought the story to - but simply on how much more RICH he is because of the film (which is not unlike those merchants selling goods inside of the Church).
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
96. My point exactly!
Perhaps the only time cited in the bible, that Jesus actually became physically violent was in dealing with this ilk.

RC
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #8
53. Can't figure why God could possibly care about that. Seems like a
real child-like thing to fret about such silly stuff. Is your God really that petty that this would mean anything?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:15 AM
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63. he said his own wife was going to hell for not being a catholic
It shows some interesting standards. (He felt sorry for her, compassionate conservative that he is)
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #63
90. That, I don't believe!
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:46 PM
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9. Nothing to it... just a f**king joke!
:shrug:
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:51 PM
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10. The Scots must be proud.
He's come a long way since William Wallace.

:eyes:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:58 PM
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11. Aaaaassssshole...Aaaaassssshole...
Oops. Sorry. I thought I was in the bleachers at Fenway.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:00 AM
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12. More Power To Him
Its fucking Hollywood. So he exploited an ignorant audience to make some money. At least he did not take the money from the U.S. Treasury or send innocent Americans to kill innocent Iraqis.

I'm glad he said "fuck you" to the morons.

He had the money before, although he risked a good part of it on the movie. Now he REALLY has money.

For which political office do you think he will run?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. edumacated not exploited...
Mel took a chance on something he was born to do...

good on him for allowing a healthy obsession
becoming a successful bling bling...
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:00 AM
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13. Mel's my kinda Catholic
F*@% Yes!

Amen.

Goin to hell..I know.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:05 AM
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14. I wonder if he knows the insurgents in Iraq are inspired by "Braveheart"
They love that movie.

From the latest article of Harper's "A year with the Iraqi insurgency" or something like that.

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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:07 AM
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15. Gotta love them Kkkristians.
Hey! What good is religion if you can't make a few (mega)bucks off of it? :evilgrin:
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:21 AM
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19. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Funny!
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vicman Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:12 AM
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17. South Park
pretty much got it right about this guy. I'm sure Jesus is smiling in Heaven.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:26 AM
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20. Wow! Nothing says "Pious Christian" more clearly ...

than taking advantage of a religious theme to make a ton of money by filming a pornographically violent blockbuster and then telling folks "I'm rich now, so you can f*** off!"

Way to go, Mel! That's really preaching the Hollywood gospel!
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:40 AM
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26. It's SO the Christian way indeed, struggle
Calling Creflo A. Dollar, aka C. A. Dollar. :evilgrin:
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:44 AM
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22. Ha!
When I saw this, I couldn't help but hear Dave Chapelle say:

"I'M RICH, BEEYOTCH!"
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:54 AM
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23. Damn, my wife was there
never heard about that one.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:04 AM
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24. That is very un-christian like.
He fits right in with the Christian right.

Fuckin' hypocrites.

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DarbyUSMC Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:24 PM
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89. Anyone here ever heard that the English, Irish and Aussies

use the word way more frequently than we do? They pronounce it "feck" and it is as common as damn is here in the states. I believe that God is offended by the using of His name so commonly (IMO) since he made it a commandment not to do so. I lived next door to a family from Ireland and after I got to know them quite well I asked about this so called vulgar word. Lots of language differences between those of us who speak English. When my neighbor first arrived here she thought she was giving the mother of her boss a compliment by saying how homely she was. In Dublin that meant like "homebody" means here.

A friend of mine appolgized for almost saying fuck when telling a joke. He said "you know, the F word" and turned red. In the next few minutes he used Christ or Jesus Christ without so much as a blink of the eye.

Ya can't win Mel. You did a fine job on the film.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:30 AM
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25. Bet the Fundies & Freepers are upset!!!
Ha!!

Mel has the last laugh...good for him...he has been labelled an anti-Semite...& he has been held up as a paragon by the religious right.

He is a movie maker, & a very successful one at that.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:06 AM
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27. Thank goodness he is partly sane after all, that dark side must be hell.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 03:07 AM by nolabels
I hope he comes up with just something at least as half good as Braveheart. Maybe he will be spurred on by a shunning from them midget minds yet.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:51 AM
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28. suckers.
and he knows it. 8^) he saw right through them, made the movie he knew they wanted to see, and capitalized on it like a good little heathen.

and now he rubbed their noses in it.

he's still mad max. 8^)

i like him better than ever.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:14 AM
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29. Mel makes money. That absolves him from all sin.
*
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:43 AM
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30. The Passion of Mel's Wallet
lol. I couldn't help but laugh at this one. When I think of all those proselytizing Christians using this movie....HA! Now Mel shows us all where this movie was really coming from!
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:15 AM
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32. Making fuck you money with the story of the Christian Messiah!
Hey now that's what I call integrity! I'm sure Jesus would be proud!! You go Mel.

RC
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Avalon Sparks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:54 PM
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112. Hi RapidCreek!
Great observation! Best one on the thread IMHO.



"Making fuck you money with the story of the Christian Messiah!"

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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 02:20 AM
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115. Hey...thanks Avalon!
RC
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Bozvotros Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:47 AM
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34. Apparently Mel isn't turning the other cheek
And he has a tad less patience and forebearance than the subject of his film. I'm surprised he didn't show Jesus snapping under his interogation, ripping the whips out of the centurions' hands, grabbing their swords, disemboweling and slitting their throats as he sends great bolts of lightning down on the mob. Then grabbing a crucifixion hammer, mashes a terrified Pilate's toes to jelly as he turns his face heavenward saying "F*** em Lord, for they know not what they do."
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:50 AM
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35. Who will FCC punish for this one? AAR?
Howard stern paid for Janet's boob, someone has to pay for Gibson's F*....
This reminds me of a great scene at the end of the South Park episode on the Passion...Just as a Cartman led.Passion inspired pogrom is about to start, Gibson appears in all his lunacy - jaws drop and everyone goes home.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:56 AM
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36. South Park must make a sequel
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:58 AM
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37. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
PRICELESS.

the messiah has a fucking potty mouth :D
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:12 AM
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38. Did anyone here actually see the film?
I have not-but I have heard from those who have, whose opinions I esteem, that it is a fine film.

Yes, it is true, a few of those who were impressed with the film are good Catholics, but is it acceptible to bash all Christians with a wide brush--but no one dare breath a word about Israel--that would be anti-semitic.

Using foul language is not a measure of a bad Christian unless you go to Sunday school with Bush.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:25 AM
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40. wow. you got bashing from my post?
and what makes you take the leap that i think Ariel Sharon is anything but a terrorist.

i think the fact that some people are flabberghasted that Gibson would curse is funny as fucking hell
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:50 AM
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52.  just posted in the wrong place--
sorry about that.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:27 AM
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42. Using the story of the Crucifixion to make fuck you money
and publicly stating as much is blasphemy of the worst sort. It is a demonstrable taking of the Lords name in the most foul type of vanity.

I don't need to see the film...I saw the trailer and it was enough. An orgasm of violence should not be required to cement ones faith...quite the contrary in fact. I suspect that Jesus would agree.
In fact I can't think of anything that pissed him off more than mixing profit margins with religion....or superior braggadocio concerning ones success in such a venture.



RC
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:27 AM
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43. OTOH...
I do wish the clergy would use sailor language more in their sermons, like Buddhists sometimes do in their teishos and like people at AA meetings do.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:00 AM
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56. F* the film, I don't need to see the f*ing film! Mel just summed it up
for me - check my last e-mail signature:
" F-- you! I don't mean f-- you; I mean "f-- you" in general. I don't have to answer any of these questions anymore. I'm a hell of a lot wealthier than I once was."
Mel Gibson at DVD sales convention for The Passion
P.S. - if I want to see torture, there are some Aby Ghrahim pics I can peruse. W said they are "Good job, Rummy! Exemplarary!"
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:56 AM
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82. Yes it is.
One must bridle one's tongue as the bible would say unless the rest of his or her behavior becomes un-Christian like.

I can't find the verses right now but it does say that (and yes anyone who's seen me post here knows I can be pretty vulgar).
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:04 PM
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109. I saw it, I'm not religious, and I liked it.
I cringed at the violence but understood its place. I'll admit it, I got pretty teary at parts. It was draining but I am glad I saw it.
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:24 AM
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39. Uh, this may be politically incorrect for DU...
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 07:26 AM by Kanzeon
But so what?

I have no problem with Mel using words I use.

If people expect him to not use the f-word simply because he's a conservative Christian, well, they're going to be shocked I guess.

And heck, I make more money than I used to. I don't have to answer the paparazzi's questions either. Fuck them.

But folks, this ain't Bill Bennett's gambling.

Yeah the man made "Kill Christ." And he made money that he should have done nice Christian things with like give to the poor, fight for the rights of the imprisoned and so forth. And yeah, his father is an anti-semitic looney, but let's get some perspective here.

Give him a pass on this one.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:41 AM
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47. I just think it is funny in an ironic sort of way
could care less about the swearing. But the basis is... I made a heck of a lot of money doing it (again not a problem) is sort of Ironic... given how it suddenly makes the endeavor sound a little like the money changers in the church (capitolizing on the Church and taking advantage, and thus acting profanely) ... which is the scene which is the one major outburst of anger demonstrated by Christ in the Bible.

Forgive me, not going to bash him, but I am going to find the whole scene deliciously humorous (and telling) given the irony.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:41 AM
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48. I Think It's Great - Here's Why
Disclaimer: I haven't seen The Passion and have no plans to. To say he and I are on different pages, politically, would be a huge understatement.

However. My hat's off to him for this outburst. For some (probably most) creative people, there is nothing more frustrating than trying to explain yourself or your to someone who demands answers and explanation, especially when you'd rather they just take your work at face value (see: "God Shuffled His Feet" by Crash Test Dummies).

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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:44 AM
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49. Actually, I kinda agree...
I wish I could say it more in more of my own business endeavors, come to think of it.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:50 AM
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51. Here
those lyrics

Crash Test Dummies God Shuffled His Feet lyrics
After seven days
He was quite tired, so god said:
"Let there be a day
Just for picnics, with wine and bread"
He gathered up some people he had made
Created blankets and laid back in the shade

The people sipped their wine
And what with God there, they asked him questions
Like: do you have to eat
Or get your hair cut in heaven?
And if your eye got poked out in this life
Would it be waiting up in heaven with your wife?

God shuffled his feet and glanced around at them;
The people cleared their throats and stared right back at him

So he said: "Once there was a boy
Who woke up with blue hair
To him it was a joy
Until he ran out into warm air -
He thought of how his friends would come to see;
And would they laugh, or had he got some strange disease?"

God shuffled his feet and glanced around at them;
The people cleared their throats and stared right back at him

The people sat waiting
Out on their blankets in the garden
But God said nothing
So someone asked him, "I beg your pardon:
I'm not quite clear about what you just spoke -
Was that a parable, or a very subtle joke?

God shuffled his feet and glanced around at them;
The people cleared their throats and stared right back at him


not that I'm comparing Mel to god, but it's something creative people have to put up with, from time to time.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:18 AM
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64. My God, we've been had by Mel again...

snip--

Mel Gibson shocked some attendees during a 20th Century Fox event at the posh St. Regis Monarch Beach Hotel in California last week.
The star was there to speak to the nation's biggest home DVD and video sellers as "The Passion of the Christ" went on sale online before its Aug. 31 release to retailers.

--
This was a P.R. EVENT. And Mel knows P.R., what better way to sell than to drum up controversy. I can't believe how many on here are defending Gibson, leads one to believe there are very few Jewish people online this a.m.. I was raised a fundie and my feelings about what he did are extremely strong, using people's ingrained bigotry to sell a movie and risking causing people harm who suffered through hell on earth just 60 years ago. You folks don't see anything wrong with that? God help us all.

And for those who claim he didn't own this piety, whose hand is driving the nails into Christ in the movie? He whored his spiritual convictions on the tube everynight to sell this piece of trash, so apparently nothing is sacred to St. Mel. Some people actually BELIEVE what they practice with regards to God, and I'm disgusted by Mel Gibson...there's a line, and he's crossed it.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #39
102. Well yeah...
I dislike him for all the other reasons you states, not for saying, "fuck."
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:33 AM
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44. Love those Christian values!
At least Mel is honest that he was only in it for the money.

But don't worry, the ignorant Jesus Crowd will forgive what he said!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:07 AM
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60. Honest? I remember when them Jews in Hollywood were going to
make a martyr out of poor Mel so he just had to screen it privately to the RW crowd (Coulter, W & al) and ask for their blessing....Where was his honesty when he was crying 'wolf" and inflaming ugly feelings that didn't exist? he didn't just make money of the crucifixion, he made money of the ugliest after-effects of the cristianity.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:48 AM
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50. It was just a fucking joke people
Man, some of you people have to lighten up a bit and not let this kind of shit effect you so much.
Why does it bother people that there are hypocritical people on this planet. Hello!!?? Welcome to life.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:03 AM
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58. True. The "serious " thing is : torture rules! It's "exemplarary"
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 08:03 AM by robbedvoter
But people who love this movie think Abu Grahim is the fault of porn!


It Was the Porn That Made Them Do It
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/arts/30RICH.html
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:08 PM
Original message
big brush strokes.
I liked the movie.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #58
110. big brush strokes.
I liked the movie.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:15 AM
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73. A mega blockbuster Hollywood snuff film about Jesus is the joke
I can't believe any Christian who really understands the message of Jesus could take this movie seriously. Jesus would roll over in his grave. If he had one.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:33 AM
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79. Unfortunately
In my opinion, 80% of what today's mainstream Christians are taught is a completely water-downed version of what Jesus taught.
I don't think there are many Christians who really understand Jesus' teachings.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:57 AM
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54. Andy Rooney is vindicated.
He hit the nail on the head when he looked straight into the camera at the beginning of this mess and addressed Mel, asking "How much money are you going to make off the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?"

Got all the hate mail, but now Mel has proved him right. Anyone truly seeking to tell a holy story wouldn't have made this movie so purposely anti-semitic and offended and insulted so many for no other reason than to drum up publicity.

I'm really surprised that so many of Mel's minions here missed the point, for his response is equally offensive if you delete the profanity. He seems to be divesting himself of the piety he displayed during the making of the movie by saying, "oh, that Passion b.s., well, forget that, I'm rich now, onward and upward." Get your on your camel, Mel, there's a needle waiting with your name on it.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:39 AM
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72. Just like Eric Alterman had no problem
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 08:40 AM by CWebster
with standing at a Church podium - at a C-Span event, stating that it was the appropriate time and place to condemn Gibson's film?

Imagine a Christian standing up in a synagogue complaining of anti-Christian sentiment.

Christians do bad things but guess what? Jews are just as capable of doing bad things. Except to report bad things that, say Israel may do, like bulldozing homes everyday like it was business as usual, would be met with a hostile anti-semitic charge.
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:23 AM
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76. would you like some cheese with that?...

yeah, yeah, the jews always get away with everything, and nobody can ever say a word about them...it's just not fair!...

I suppose nobody ever says anything about Israel bulldozing homes (everyday according to you), you just know about it because a little birdie told you...

if you make an intelligent valid point about jews or israel and someone says you are antisemitic, they look stupid...but if you quack like a duck, and someone calls you a duck, suck it up...

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:30 AM
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78. cantwealljustgetalong, or so you say...
I guess a 'lil birdie told someone about the camps in their midsts--(the ones mentioned in a small blurb on the back pages of the NYTimes)--otherwise the good Germans stated "we didn't know".

But that damn UN and their anti-semitic representitives that have condemned the bulldozing of homes--that same lil birdie tod them too?

You think American nationalism is ignorant knee-jerk reactionary jingoism? Why is any other kind of nationalistic allegiance any different?
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:42 AM
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80. you mean like...
palestinian nationalism?...
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:46 AM
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81. Sure
when it becomes "my country right or wromg".
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:58 AM
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55. Origins of fuck...
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 08:02 AM by tlcandie
The Genesis
Did you know? . . .
In ancient England single people could not have sex unless they had consent of the king. When people wanted to have a baby, they had to get the consent of the king, and the king gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F. U. C. K. (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Hence that's where the word Fuck came from. Now, aren't you glad you learned something new today?

http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.htm

EDIT: this is actually false according to snopes, BUT it makes interesting reading... :hi: And who knows, it could have some truth..
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:09 AM
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61. Ya think FCC might allow it now that it's so venerable? ;-)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:19 AM
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75. "It's good to be the king." - Mel Brooks History of the World eom
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:01 AM
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57. Oh, how surprising. Yawn.
Now who thought this guy didn't do it for the money but for his "passionate Christian beliefs?"
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:20 AM
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66. Every headline sending people to see this pious S&M fest!
It was sold as an act of faith... f*ing sold! ;-)
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:26 AM
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69. Yup.
But, I also recall a lot of DUers claiming Mel was just making something that he believed in to the very core of his soul...the true reason Christians love Jesus! He died a horrible death for their sins!

And my God! He spent MILLIONS OF HIS OWN MONEY making the movie!

I only wish the hard-core Babtists round here would see that quote. They won't, because Faux won't carry it.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:12 AM
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62. A gruesome religious movie, a free pass for saying fuck you.
Today's passage is from Melvin 7:2. Verily I say to thee, in presenting the Lord through images on a screen, do not let the sheep of the valley see your inner bank account, for it will be rewarded ten-fold when the tome of the DVD comes. It is then the Fuck You is the reward of your labours.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:26 AM
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68. Any of this "free pass" b.s. sound familiar?
What it reminds me of is how the repukes will go to any length to defend W. no matter what manner of treason he commits.

So far it's the Plame affair/ showing war plans to Bandar/giving Afghanistan $$ to Iraq war/ war intel to Chalabi...

Forgive me if I've left out any of the documented high crimes, but whenever you bring any of these up, the Bushites just get a faraway look in their eyes and say "well, aw shucks, but he's a likeable guy, and a good and moral man, and blah blah blah soundbitesloganblurb..."

And Mel has really arrived, he's getting the same treatment now. There must be some serious subliminal psy-ops going on during television commercials now.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:18 AM
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65. I love this thread.
I wish everyone could see that article, but i know there won't be any mainstream press over it.

Last time there was something negative about Mel (I think it was when he told MSNBC his wife was going to hell because she isn't Catholic), the replies I got were that the sourceof the material was wrong and they were just trying to smear saint Gibson.

Finally, though, he admits that it's his money that he's made off off Jesus' death and the RW's obsession with his movie and screw everyone.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:22 AM
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67. You need to see the South Park episode on it - best commentary!
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:30 AM
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71. I saw it and was crying laughing.
The end, with a Mel "Daffy Duck" jumping around the screen deficating was satire at it's finest.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:18 AM
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74. Obviously, the Passion fans haven't seen the rest of Mel's movies
I believe he says the f word hundreds of times in the "Lethal Weapon" movies.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:23 AM
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77. WILL YOU PEOPLE LEAVE GIBSON ALONE!
One day he'll die for all our sins.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:00 AM
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83. A thought
Maybe Gibson is trying to keep Fahrenheit 9/11 from stealing his own movie's monopoly on the controversy market.


Want to buy this sticker? Send me a private message!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:49 AM
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117. Derby..just noticed your bumpersticker....
Yes, I'd love to buy your bumper sticker..
actually, a whole lot of them.

re: Gibson..

Mel may be alot of things but GREEDY he is not..
when you think about it. The Passion was released pre Abu Graib.
Many people associated the Passion with the inhumane abuse inflicted by US contractors and certain military sycophants.

If anything, Moore's film compliments Gibson's movie.
Fahrenheit 911 illustrates in spades how the Iraqis came to be abused. Moore succinctly demonstrates how Iraqis have come to be victimized by the sociopathic minds of deranged religious zealots namely, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's lust for power. Their psycho Crusade to impart the 'Love of Freedom' with whips and dehumanizing degradation. A tiny window into the minds that are running this country and perhaps a prequel as to what is in store for us...those that refuse to bow down and kiss the toe ring of the delusional self appointed imperialists.

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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:00 AM
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84. This is consistent with the teachings of Supply Side Jesus. n/t
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:10 AM
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85. WWJFU
Why Would Jesus say Fuck You.

:shrug:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:50 PM
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93. Summed up the BFEE motto - admirers beware
" F-- you! I don't mean f-- you; I mean "f-- you" in general. I don't have to answer any of these questions anymore. I'm a hell of a lot wealthier than I once was."
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galaca1 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:53 PM
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99. What's the BFEE?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:59 PM
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104. Bush Family Evil Empire
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galaca1 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:07 PM
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106. Thanks. I've seen that alot here
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:05 PM
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100. Can't imagine why he'd say that.
Could it be...hmmm...oh, I don't know....

SATAN?

(Apologies to Dana Carvey) :evilgrin:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:07 PM
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105. Geeze, it's so simple- Mel likes to Bust B's...
he possesses a brilliant satirical mind..

You know, like when the "leaper" wanted to jump off the ledge of the building in LWI and the leaper started whining...heh!

"you want crazy...

I'll show you crazy.."

(or words to that effect)




Mel Gibson joins the joking at Harvard

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9702/18/mel.gibson/index.html
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:56 PM
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108. Is Mel
on Jesus Juice?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:13 PM
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111. one wonders what mel will do for his encore...
...he's already beaten jesus to shit and then killed him. I can see it now "Passion, the sequel."

By the way, did anyone here purchase one of the trendy nail adornments, The Passion Nail??? Just curious...

http://www.sharethepassionofthechrist.com/jewelry.asp#Nail
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:54 AM
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118. I should think what he would do next would be obvious!
"The Resurrection", of course..
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 11:38 AM
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121. I get it!...instead of merchandising "passion nails"...
...perhaps they'll be hawking fake wounds... press-on faux nail punctures...

calvin klein could do a tie-in...<sultry euro-model overdub>"Resurrection, the cologne... for the martyrs among us..."
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GaryL Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:53 PM
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113. Too many head blows in his road warrior movies.
Finally caught up with him.
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