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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:45 AM
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UN Says U.S.-Led Forces Violate Rights in Iraq - May Be War Crimes
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=874061&tw=wn_wire_story

GENEVA (Reuters) - The United Nations' top human rights official said on Friday U.S.-led occupation forces have mistreated many ordinary Iraqis and called for appointment of an international ombudsman to monitor their behavior.

Acting High Commissioner for Human Rights Bertrand Ramcharand also suggested in a new report that U.S. soldiers accused of gross abuses in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison could be guilty of war crimes.snip

In a clear reference to the Abu Ghraib incidents after which several U.S. personnel working there have been detained, Ramcharan said "willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment" of detainees were a grave breach of international law.

Such acts, he added, "might be designated as war crimes by a competent tribunal."

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 07:49 AM
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1. Here is the same Reuters article intended for US consumption
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04441736.htm

U.N. says U.S.-led forces violate rights in Iraq

GENEVA, June 4 (Reuters) - The United Nations top human rights official said on Friday U.S.-led occupation forces had mistreated many ordinary Iraqis and called for the appointment of an international jurist to monitor their behaviour.

Acting High Commissioner for Human Rights Bertrand Ramcharand also suggested in a new report that U.S. soldiers accused of gross abuses in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison could be guilty of war crimes. (Robert Evans; Reuters Messaging: robert.j.evans.reuters.com@reuters.net))

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:36 PM
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10. Yep! Don't want the US public to know too much!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:01 AM
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23. WAR CRIMES --- there are no war crimes !!!
" Hey Lynndie wire that Electric Clip to that guys nuts over there "!!!!
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:00 AM
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2. There is a paper trail going to the top Administration
Bush will be forced to steal the november election to stay out of prison
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:24 AM
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3. forced... you make it sound like he doesn't enjoy his thuggery
I think he gets a big kick out of it, personally. Very little, if any, forcing involved.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:27 AM
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4. Who will try him?
Can't he pardon himself?

Can't he pardon all the neocon criminals in his cabinet?

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:34 AM
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5. What use would there be to have crimes against humanity,...
,...or war crimes if the perpetrators can pardon themselves from being prosecuted for breaching them?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:38 AM
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7. I may be wrong, but I don't think
a president can pardon himself. But, of course, that wouldn't stop this little piece of shit, asshole, bastard.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:38 PM
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11. I don't think anybody should be "pardoned" until after being convicted.

The Constitution didn't contemplate blanket absolutions: it contemplated the possibility that the executive could by pardon redress a miscarriage of justice.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:56 AM
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17. No Presidential "pardons" for "War Crimes"
War Crimes are defined by international law, and such trials are conducted at the International Court of Justice at the Hague, in the Netherlands.

Once convicted, no world leader, including no American president, can pardon those convicted.

Don't confuse The "pardon" Gerald Ford issued for Richard Nixon with these issues. A sitting president can't legally pardon himself for crimes committed in violation of U.S. laws, but can pardon a former/outgoing president for any crimes he may have committed, even if not yet convicted. That's what happened in the Ford/Nixon case.

The U.N. may indict Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, etc., on down the chain of command for "War Crimes" right now, and there's nothing any of these &#@*& can do about it.

OTOH, I'd like to see the Justice Department, under a Kerry Administration, prosecute all of those neocons for violation of numerous federal laws, once Kerry takes office next January.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 02:38 AM
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19. I remember Ford's "pardon" of Nixon.

I didn't like it, and I want to challenge the underlying legal theory.

I say the intent of the pardoning power is not to allow the President to immunize his cronies: that would clearly conflict with the principle that no one is above the law and would allow the President's gang to commit any crimes whatsoever without real fear of reprisal. Rather, the intent is to provide a mechanism for redressing serious miscarriages of justice by providing an option to set aside existing convictions.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:49 AM
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21. I totally agree with you
...and those of us in my generation (I'm 59 now) were infuriated and outraged at Ford's action. We had waited 6 long years suffering Nixon's grotesqueries and criminality and we thought that we'd finally gotten what we wanted - he was impeached by the House after a year of Senate investigations and House impeachment proceedings. And Nixon was definitely headed for conviction for "high crimes and misdemeaners" in the Senate when Alexander Haig convinced him to resign (and retain his pension and personal records, including the infamous tapes).

Ford made a lot of enemies among the American people as a result of what we all perceived was his abuse of power in granting that "pardon", and legal scholars were also fuming. But nothing was ever done about it! Except, of course, Jimmy Carter whipped him in 1976 in a landslide.

A "pardon", is, as you mentioned, something that should legally be limited to an executive power (whether a Governor or President) to forgive and free someone *wrongly* convicted of a crime. Nixon was never formally convicted at the time of Ford's "pardon".

I've never personally researched the legalities surrounding Ford's unusual "pardon" of Nixon, but I suspect that Ford over-stepped and abused his power in pardoning Nixon.

Back then, we all wanted to see Nixon in handcuffs.

Just as now we all want to see Bush and his cronies in ankle chains.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:37 AM
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6. If they are not war crimes
It begs the question of what is.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 08:52 AM
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8. I'm confused. I thought the U.S. had an agreement that their military
actions (soldiers/officers) were immune from criminal charges and the Geneva convention. That agreement ends at the end of June, if I'm remembering accurately, and is now a big point of contention.

Not sure how to search DU on that topic, but the posts discussing this issue were not more than 10 days ago.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 02:42 AM
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20. Try this one:
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 02:44 AM by struggle4progress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=572853

To search, hit the search icon. For archived material (more than a few days old), use advanced search (available to you as a donor). The interface is user friendly.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:33 PM
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9. NYT: U.N. Says Abu Ghraib Abuse Could Constitute War Crime

<snip>
In an apparent reference to the incidents of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison and to cases where Iraqi prisoners have died in detention, Mr. Ramcharan said that "willful killing, torture and inhuman treatment" represented a grave breach of international law and "might be designated as war crimes by a competent tribunal."

He said it was a "stark reality" that there was no international oversight or accountability for the thousands of detainees, the conditions in which they were held and the manner in which they were treated.

To correct this situation, he said, the coalition authorities should immediately appoint "an international ombudsman or commissioner." That person would be charged with monitoring human rights in Iraq and producing periodic reports on "compliance by coalition forces with international norms of human rights and humanitarian law."
<snip>

The report also comes at a moment when the United States has been hoping to obtain a Security Council resolution shielding American troops serving in United Nations-approved operations from prosecution before the International Criminal Court. The multinational force remaining in Iraq after the transfer of power to Iraq at the end of this month will be such a United Nations-sanctioned force.
<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/04/international/middleeast/04CND-NATI.html


Looks like the diplomatic community may consider in some detail the context of the resolution "shielding American troops .. from .. the International Criminal Court."
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:03 PM
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12. Ramcharan's Report
Human Rights in Iraq (doc format).

Linked on the front page of the UNHCHR.

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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:13 PM
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13. Paragraphs regarding US War Crimes in Ramcharan's Report
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 05:44 PM by gottaB
§52. Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, if committed against detainees protected by international humanitarian law constitute a grave breach under the Geneva Conventions and therefore of international humanitarian law and is prohibited at any time, irrespective of the status of the person detained. The above-described acts might be designated as war crimes by a competent tribunal. The requirement that protected persons must at all times be humanly treated is a basic pillar of the Geneva Conventions. The detaining authorities are bound to put in place all those measures that may pre-empt the perpetration of torture as well as any inhuman and degrading treatment. All State Parties are obliged to exercise jurisdiction to investigate, prosecute and punish perpetrators.

§116. In addition, reports mention the occurrence of cases where Coalition Forces have detained family members of alleged “insurgents” in order to compel their cooperation and exert pressure on the “insurgents”; where Coalition Forces have allegedly destroyed the houses of families of “insurgents” and the crops and houses in a given area as a retaliation for attacks by “insurgents” against Coalition Forces in that area. It should be emphasized in this respect that under International Humanitarian Law, occupation forces are prohibited from carrying out reprisals and collective penalties against civilians and from taking hostages, which acts are considered as war crimes.

(footnotes omitted)

***


The heart of the matter is Section IV, The treatment of persons during arrest, detention and release from detention. Ramcharan cites the IRCR Report (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Iraq-Prisoner-ICRC1feb04.htm ) and the Taguba Report (in footnotes, AI is mentioned Memorandum on concerns relating to law and order). Section D covers human rights law. I reproduce that section with one footnote (the others seem pedestrian to me at the moment).

D. The legal framework



1. International humanitarian law


§50. The situation in Iraq involves a military occupation to which international humanitarian law as well as The Hague Regulations of 1907 are applicable. Both the Third and the Fourth Geneva Convention are applicable to the conflict. The United States of America ratified the Geneva Conventions of 1949 on 2 August 1955. The vast majority of POW and civilian internees captured during major military operations have since been released. In case of doubt about the status of an individual, a detainee’s case has to be considered by a competent tribunal as required by Art. 5 Third Geneva Convention. Those individuals who commit criminal offences in Iraq, including those suspected of anti-Coalition activities, are normally detained as “criminal detainees”. Those held by the Coalition Forces fall within a process that requires a probable cause determination by a military attorney within 21 days of every detention. The Coalition Forces provide a second procedure that demands that the criminal detainee be brought before a judge as soon as possible and in no instance later than 90 days from the date of detention. A criminal detainee has to be distinguished from a civilian internee who has not been guilty of any infringement of the penal provisions enacted by the Coalition Forces, but has been detained for “imperative reasons of security”. There has to be an individualized decision which links the detainee to a threat of security. According to the Commentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention “there can be no question of taking collective measure: each case must be decided separately”. As a procedural safeguard in order to ensure that principles of humanity are respected, a security detainee should have the right of appeal and any decision upholding detention should be reviewed every six months.

§51. The use of torture and other forms of physical and psychological coercion against any detainee to extract confessions of intelligence related information is a violation of international humanitarian law1 and is prohibited. According to the Third (Art. 17, 87, 99) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (Art. 5, 31, 32), evidence that has been obtained through coercion can never be used as such by the Coalition Forces.

§52. Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, if committed against detainees protected by international humanitarian law constitute a grave breach under the Geneva Conventions and therefore of international humanitarian law and is prohibited at any time, irrespective of the status of the person detained. The above-described acts might be designated as war crimes by a competent tribunal.* The requirement that protected persons must at all times be humanly treated is a basic pillar of the Geneva Conventions. The detaining authorities are bound to put in place all those measures that may pre-empt the perpetration of torture as well as any inhuman and degrading treatment. All State Parties are obliged to exercise jurisdiction to investigate, prosecute and punish perpetrators.

2. International human rights law


§53. The prohibition of torture laid down in international humanitarian law with regard to situations of armed conflict is reinforced by the body of international treaty law on human rights. These laws ban torture both in time of peace and armed conflict.

§54. Any practice of torture or other cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment violates international human rights standards to which both the US and UK are a party, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT). There is an absolute prohibition of torture applicable in times of conflict as well as in times of peace. CAT defines torture as any act that is intentional, that causes severe pain or suffering, that is used to obtain information or confession, to punish, intimidate or coerce, and that has been authorized by someone in an official position. In addition to article 7 of the ICCPR, which prohibits torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, article 10 of the ICCPR specifically provides that all persons deprived of their liberty shall be treated with humanity and with respect for the inherent dignity of the human person.




*Notably, under international law, “inhuman treatment” includes “not only acts such as torture and intentionally causing great suffering or inflicting serious injury to body, mind or health but also extends to other acts contravening the fundamental principle of humane treatment, in particular those which constitute an attack on human dignity”. Similarly, “willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health includes injury to mental health and includes those acts which do not fulfill the conditions set for the characterization of torture, even though acts of torture may also fit the definition given”; Kemal Mehinovic, et al., v. Nikola Vuckovic, a/k/A Nikola Nikolac, US District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, Atlanta Division, 198 F. Supp. 2d 1322; 2002 US Dist. April 29, 2002.

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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:55 PM
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14. Noose starting to tighten around BushCo's neck!
:hurts:
:spank:
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 06:11 PM
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15. Only "might"? n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:46 AM
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16. kick
:kick:
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 02:20 AM
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18. Anybody remember American Exceptionalism?
12/12 *did* change everything. Ramcharan's report is merely one of many confirmations to come.

The Bush administration's policy of torture spells the end of US credibility on human rights, a loss of honor, authority, implicit trust and the capacity to lead. It has translated into a substantial loss of power-- real, exercizable power. Our capacity to act in our own interests abroad has been severely curtailed.

Ugh.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 06:05 AM
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22. These war crimes also relate to Bush's policy in Iraq
and as Bush was swarn into office taking an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States, violation of Geneva Conventions to which America is a party is also a violation or the Constitution and laws of the United States. As such, it is an impeachable offense, as his oath of office is a constitutional duty, and high crimes and misdemeaners apply to offical consitutional duty.

Problem is, with neocons controlling the House and Senate, and time running out before the election in November, there's no chance in hell Bush and his cronies will be impeached, as they should be.

Our only hope is to work to help Kerry clobber him in a landslide in November. Once they're gone, they can't "pardon" anyone. They can be tried in American courts under federal law (by someone other than Ashcroft, of course), and tried in the Hague for their violations of International Law.

TAHT's what I'd like to see unfold.
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