Regan's Condition Worsens

[Joe the Revelator]

I'll with hold any comment...


Hollywood sources tell LA Weekly columnist Nikki Finke that former President Ronald Reagan's medical condition has suddenly worsened. "He really took a downslide today," the insider told Finke Friday evening. "Doctors are at the house. Things aren't good." At the start of the day, several news organizations chased down a rumor that the ex-president had died, but it wasn't true... Family members gathered at the Reagan's Bel Air home late Friday... Developing June suprise

http://drudgereport.com/

[Lou_C]

1. The timing is perfect for Bush isn't it

They will be doing stories on Reagan up until November.

[physioex]

7. He already died...

The day Hinkley shot him, atleast his brain. Just his body survived all these years. Will they bury him beside Bonzo?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. Nah...Bonzo's still alive and lives in the...

...White House.

[physioex]

22. LMAO...

HAHAHAHHAHA...That explains a lot.....

[Lou_C]

20. Bonzo's owner wouldn't want shit buried by his pet chimp

[saigon68]

38. They are going to stuff Reagan and put him in the Lincoln memorial

Kind of like Lenin's tomb

[Lou_C]

59. The whole town will be named after Reagan after he is buried

Reaganwood instead of Hollywood.

[doubleplusgood]

97. D.C. will be renamed to Reagangrad

/t

[Lou_C]

127. Why not name the USA after Reagan

:shrug:

[Astarho]

151. The Mississippi River will now be the Mississippi Reagan

gotta love the Simpsons

And Alcatraz Prison will now be the Ronald Reagan Re-Education Center.

[VolcanoJen]

49. GD Thread: Newsrooms have received notice that Reagan is close to death.

Newsrooms got the heads up...

Fascinating GD thread by DUer bld late Friday night, with many insights from DUers... adds gravitas to this LBN thread, I think.

[TankLV]

129. Naw - it's actually good timing for the dems if he croaks now.

All the orgy and fauning of his projected (as opposed to actual) record will be all done within a week after he mercifully gets his one way to hell.

This is perfect timing.

Only better would be if he croaked after Kerry is sworn-in.

I will be having a "ding dong the witch is dead" party when he goes.

2nd worst president ever, with * in first place for that title.

[UrbScotty]

138. Second worst?

Three words come to mind:

Richard Milhous Nixon.

[mountainvue]

157. Nixon

did as much good for the country as he did bad.

[w4rma]

169. Not. (nt)

[icymist]

153. Nah. "Timing" isn't the way Alzheimer's patients go out.

There is no easy end here. Once a patient has been diagnosed with this dreaded disease, they gradually go down-wards until the day, as we see now, that the end is near. People with this condition never get better, just the gradual slip away. My friends, the end of ex-President Reagan is near. Deal with it. This certainly wasn't up to Nancy or Bush. Please, and to some of you this is hard, think of this as a tragic family event. This is not a political staging for * re-election bid. This is a time for compassion and letting go of the Reagans.

P.S. If the Bush canpaign makes the demise of President Reagan a political issue far after it is clear that it needed to be, than anything goes!

Har!

[PaDUer]

160. waiting for announcement..

Urgent
^NN-ReaganHouse-KCBS-KCAL-Video
URGENT
Stations: Please Roll / Monitor

KCBS-KCAL/LA will feed TAPE / TAPE shot today from outside the Bel-Air home of Ronald and Nancy Reagan.

Video shows the home, a couple of cars coming and going, and members of the media outside.

COORDS: IA 6 / 1 F (digital / ku)
DL FREQ: 11732 Vertical
TIME: 1630-1640E (130-140pP)
NY REM: 802

http://www.newspath.cbs.com/index.php?cgi=story&story=AWI20040605011447&title=Urgent

[buycitgo]

2. what....his body temperature taking a nosedive?

leveling off at about 32 degrees or so?

[burrowowl]

12. Centigrade

Normal is 37 C

[UrbScotty]

139. That's like, 89 or 90 F, isn't it?

A few degrees below normal.

[icymist]

161. Um, normal Fahrenheit temp would be above 96.9 and below 99.0.

If his body temp is 89 or 90 F, then he is Waaay below normal! Maybe you guy's math is wrong.

[MikeG]

3. There will be a federal holiday coming up in the next week.

They did it for Nixon in 1994.

[aquart]

30. I'm betting Reagan dies June 6, 2004, 60 years after D-Day.

Forever cementing the illusion that he served in the war.

[crossroads]

71. I'm calling it the 8th... Venus conjuncts Sun on the 8th...

...but I bet the old bird would love to go on the 6th... wouldn't that be a fitting day for for a *pretend* *actor* hero? I was kinda hoping he would hang on a bit longer and maybe go June 30th or July 4th and take some of the press spotlight away from shrub on either of those days.

[physioex]

88. Hmmm....

When is it not a federal holiday?

[bluestateguy]

4. Yep

what better what to motivate the conservative base. If you think the Wellstone memorial went over the line, you ain't seen nothing yet. Kerry will be bullied into taking his negative ads off the air. Mind you, I don't think the Gipper would countenance the big fuss the Right is planning for his farewell, but that's the way it will likely play out.

[juajen]

43. I really don''t think Nancy would countenance that.

N/T

[candy331]

5. He is for all practical purposes already dead

just waiting to be buried so how in the world can his condition worsen. He is putting up a good fight I should say though.

[gmoney]

6. Let's watch Bush politicize THIS.

If Ronnie passes before election day, the BushMongers will turn it into some sort of referendum or endorsement or some total perversion to get out the right-wing vote.

Almost forgot... this will kick-start the "name everything after Ronnie" movement. The dime, every street, and slap his mug on Mr. Rushmore.

[AntiCoup2K4]

72. The day Reagan's face is on Mt Rushmore is the day it comes down

And same with either Bush :nuke:

[General Discontent]

8. Wow, right on cue....

Time to thaw out the Ronsickle. Who picked Reagan in the October Surprise pool, anyway? :shrug:

DWolfman

[fujiyama]

90. Or what abiot

the Ronnybean, didn't he like Jelly beans.

Ah, welk, 'm not sjhrprinsed about the timing. It's very convenient anyqays.

[jfxgillis]

9. I won't withold comment

If Reagan dies in the next couple of weeks, combined with Clinton's book tour, that will pretty much neutralize the ex-President factor in favor of either Kerry or Bush, and that's a good thing in the long run.

[AP]

10. This is too early to help Bush. Bush just got a lawyer, so whatever's...

...coming from that isn't going to be upset.

Furthermore, I think people are going to be taking a hard look at Ronnie's legacy, and it's not going to be all good. It won't be bad, because that would be tasteless. But I think people will think critically about him.

[dolo amber]

11. Wow

I didn't know pure evil could die! :evilgrin:

[mike_c]

18. at the last minute it will leave his body...

...and briefly inhabit every bullet killing an innocent victim of U.S. foreign policy everywhere on Earth before returning to Hell with a smile on its face.

[physioex]

89. Exactly...I never thought Strom Thurmond would kick the bucket..EOM

[montana_hazeleyes]

136. I wonder if Ronnie will

have a secret black daughter too?

[psychopomp]

158. >ahem<

Biracial, please. Strom's daughter is not "black," nor is she "white," she is a bit of both.

/soapbox:hi:

[Cyrano]

13. One can only express compassion for what he and his wife have suffered

As human beings, they deserve everyone's empathy. The freepers will try to once again use his passing to get his face on Mt. Rushmore and further their own agenda's by deifying "The Great Man."

But whatever they do, don't gloat. Alzheimer's is a human tragedy not to be wished on anyone. And whatever animosity I have held toward Nancy Reagan in the past, she has gone through a living hell for the past 20 or so years. Leave it alone.

[Shadder]

24. You get what you deserve

An in the case of Nancy, Im sorry but she deserves every single thing she has had to deal with over these past 20 years. My Father -in-law just passed away last month after having Alzheimer's for the past 10 years so I have a pretty good understanding of whats involved. Yeah, it is a living hell not only for the person but for those in the family. I'll say it again, she got everything she deserved.

[bookman]

27. Agree..

...that's both the strength and weakness of liberals.

Compassion.

[Cyrano]

32. Reply to #24 and #27

If this is how you think, what makes us any better than the lowlife scum we're fighting against. Goddamnit, it's this kind of attitude that leads to an Abu Ghraib. Can't you make the connection??

[TankLV]

144. So we should be sorry for Hitler and Stalin?

Raygun was scum. I hope his Kharma hits him hard.

He made millions suffer.

Fuck the lot of them.

I'll save my compassion for those that deserve it, thankyou.

And we ARE better than the lowlife scum, of which the rayguns are.

I will have a "the wicked witch is dead" party.

[Senior citizen]

28. I find it difficult to express compassion

for the guy whose administration, in a move that hadn't been seen since the Nazi days, cut the disability benefits of a quarter of a million totally disabled U.S. citizens (it was declared illegal by the Supreme Court 6 years later, but without the possibility of redress for any harm done). Human beings deserve empathy, those who lack empathy aren't human beings and don't deserve any.

Do unto others as you would have done unto you, because what goes around comes around, and when it is their turn they won't have forgotten what you did.

[Kanary]

55. And many DIED from those cuts...... they couldn't live on air for 6 years

*THOUSANDS* died because of this man and his cutbacks. A direct result.

It's a little hard to have "compassion" for his "suffering", when he didn't give a rip about those who died as a direct result of his actions.

Kanary

[juajen]

50. Righto! Compassion is rarely misplaced

I think this thread is tasteless. So, I will leave it. Cheerio!

[Mnemosyne]

98. compassion

It has been stated by many that if we have no compassion for those that have none, then we be the one's with no compassion also. Thanks for your compassion Cyrano!!

[blackcat77]

155. My wrath isn't directed at Reagan himself, or Nancy

But rather at the ghouls who will use his death as a political tool for Bush. They are beneath contempt.

[MikeG]

14. I forgot: God Bless Ronald Reagan.

I never voted for him. I didn't like him. He still needs our prayers.

[DBoon]

39. It will take a lot of prayers

to keep him out of hell

[MikeG]

47. That's not up to me. How humane I am is.

[catzies]

52. I'm with you MikeG.

Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me.

If prayer lifts Reagan out of his suffering and into the next world, I would pray for him as I would pray for anyone. And I hope to be prayed for someday as well.

[DBoon]

147. His political legacy deserves it

What happens to Reagan as a person is beyond my control.

[SOS]

149. Agreed

Compassion must be extended evenly, whether Ronald Reagan or Karla Fay Tucker.
What angers some people is that the millionaire Reagan family has round-the-clock doctors and nurses to attend to him in the comfort of his mansion.

Those without health insurance or an expensive long-term care policy are treated like garbage. Perhaps if the Republicans (and their paid-off Democratic pals) had ever extended some compassion to the many who suffer and die in silence, they would be getting more in return.

My mother-in-law died of cancer in 1998. She was 84 years of age. She was also indigent. Her treatment by the "health care" industry was an absolute disgrace. The hospital even threatened to dump her on the sidewalk at 4pm, the exact minute her Medicare hospitalization ran out. At 4pm we picked her up from the ICU. She was incoherent and could not breathe. We asked what we should do. They handed us a prescription for morphine and told us to get out (unless we prepaid her "care" in cash). To be fair, they were somewhat compassionate in that they said "good luck" as we left. She died 4 horrifying weeks later in her tiny rented room.

People dealing with a dying elderly relative are deserving of compassion. Yet "compassion" is meaningless drivel without a civilized health and nursing care system (for all) to make it a reality.

[peterh]

15. Watch….he’ll go on Sunday….

And we’ll have two friggin’ Easters…….:evilfrown:

[gauguin57]

my prediction has always been ...

that Reagan's death (and the conservative keening and moaning) would be the October surprise (along with Osama). Perhaps Bush will put Reagan on ice in the White House basement, just as he no doubt has Osama on kidney dialysis in said basement. Both will appear around Oct. 20th or so -- one in a casket, one in handcuffs.

[nolabels]

131. Or an extra 4th of July

Humanism, Morality and Social Justice
a sermon delivered by
Charley Barcelo
on Sunday, April 9, 2000
at Community Unitarian Universalist Church
in Daytona Beach, Florida

(snip)
I recently read a book entitled "Towing Jehovah". In the book God has died and the Vatican has arranged a cryogenic burial spot in the Arctic Circle so that he can be stored until such time as he comes back to life. The Vatican fears that if the population realizes that God is dead that they will no longer have a moral compass and humankind will fall into a state of immorality. They have contracted with a disgraced oil tanker captain, (who will probably not reveal his secret cargo), to tow God to the Arctic Circle. God incidentally is two miles long. There is a mate on board the ship who is a member of a "free thinkers" society. She has identified the cargo and notifies her boyfriend who is also a "free thinker". The free thinkers are afraid that the population will discover that there really was a God and that this will discredit them, because they had long maintained that there was no God. They contract with a re-enactment group, which agrees to bomb God's body to destruction so that he will not be discovered.

Although this is a novel and suffers from the usual novelistic nonsense, (you know sex and some other sort of sensational activity), the basic question is a profound one. Does Morality exist without a God or at least a God concept? Can humankind develop a morality without God? The novel does not answer the question although you might feel you are led one way or the other. The question is one to which Humanism attempts to present an answer.

Just what is morality anyway and just how is it formulated in the first place. Theism, the belief in an anthropomorphic God, presents the idea that God knows what morality is and it is only through the knowledge of God that a person can be moral. Humanists believe, however, that morality begins at home, so to speak, with humankind. Since the beginning of time humans have gathered in societies and have defined morality, the right and wrong ways to live together, by their common experiences. The most effective moralities generally survive by virtue of natural selection. That is the societies that are most successful in living together tend to survive and to flourish while those that do not live well together tend to disappear.

It has been postulated that we cannot have morality separate from a belief in God. Yet Humanists, particularly during and after the Renaissance have pointed out that morality and religion do indeed exist separately. Religion on the one hand, has tended to be concerned with worship, structures, liturgies etc. and have focused on these items plus redemption, Atonement, Heaven and Hell, rather than on the ills of humankind. Most often the criteria for acceptance to heaven is to go to church and perform religious sacraments. I have been told numerous times that works will not get me into heaven, only faith in God and acceptance of Jesus will.
(snip)
http://www.dbcuuc.org/sermons/000409.htm

[gumby]

17. this a preview...

of the Real October Surprise.

It's gonna be all emotions, emotions, emotions.

It's gonna be all about gut reactions from the "gut" resident.

Get Mr. Hankey out now, 'cause you're gonna need him.

[Straight Shooter]

19. I would die, too, before watching my legacy go all to hell

Don't get me wrong, I can't say Reagan's name without spitting a couple of nails, because he started this whole sh*tball rolling.

Not that Ronnie is even aware of what's happening. But it is ironic.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

21. I'll never get over the irony of this photo...

...three inches away from a story about family members gathering at Reagan's bedside after a turn for the worse. Drudge, you give us a little of everything, don't you?

What a ridiculous frigging world.

[dflprincess]

23. It will be interesting to see how the Reagans treat Bush at the funeral

Supposedly, there is no love loss between the families. Maybe they'll ask him not to attend.

[madrchsod]

44. nancy hates the bush family

the west coast right wing had no use for the eastcoast one world-neocon republicans. bush was forced on the ticket-the reagan people thought george bush was the anti-christ-remember the bohemnian grove? nancy fought these bastards for years and in fact she still is..

[Bridget Burke]

94. She hasn't forgotten John Hinckley

Who almost succeeded in giving Pa Bush an early promotion to President.

Whose brother Scott was scheduled to dine with Neil Bush the next day.

[Judi Lynn]

96. You know, the longer I hold that thought, the stranger it looks.

It's a fact so late in coming, isn't it?

Suddenly it hits you that this is completely wierd. Completely.

What ARE the chances?

[Virginian]

77. Dubya doesn't do funerals.

He can't quit smirking long enough to look solemn.
Same with Sen. George Allen (R) VA.

[PartyPooper]

25. But, we all know, Junior just doesn't do funerals.

:evilgrin:

[Cyrano]

26. Damn it. You're all sounding like freepers.

Stop gloating over a human tragedy.

Yes, he sucked as a president.

Yes, he was either a criminal or was too stupid to realize the criminals around him.

But don't ever wish this kind of death on yourself or anyone else. Leave it alone and let this thread die.

When the freepers try to turn him into St. Ronnie, that's the time to respond. For right now, leave it alone, for the sake of decency if nothing else.

[MikeG]

29. I agree. Now is the time for prayer if you have them.

[Dinger]

142. My Grandma Died From Alzheimer's, but Let's Remember To Be Careful . . .

rOVER and Co. definitely have the ability to take advantage of that goodwill, instead of accept it in the spirit in which it was meant to be given.

P.S. If it was *, I might not feel as charitable. . . might not.

[lapfog_1]

63. I agree with you about leaving this alone

but... what do you mean "when the freepers try to turn him into
St. Ronnie"? They have been doing that for years now. Reagans
name is being glued onto just about anything that the feds build,
preserve, occupy or float. There is a carrier, an airport, a huge
federal office building (which I find ironic to the extreme), and
I'm sure some sort of national park or preserve. Now they want
to add his image to money, add a bust of him at Mt. Rushmore, place
a memorial to him somewhere on or near the Mall. If they could,
they'd probably rename a state after him...

We should fight the deification with phrases like "well, not enough
time has passed to properly place him with other great Americans"
and "lets let history judge him as both a President and an American"
and "if we name all of these things after him, it will tend to
cheapen his name and message".

[TankLV]

145. Get over yourself.

Every single person who hates this piece of scum and could care less that he's suffering has ample justified reasons for doing so.

Get over it.

Deal with it.

[IMOK_UROK2]

171. Drunk and passed out by the side of the road.

I saw him in the snow, and it was his fault, he shouldn't have been drinking. It was his fault that he passed out. His fault he fell and hit that rock. I should have just "got over it" and let it be, since he was more or less asking for it. But I went and got a blanket and covered him, and tried to keep him alert.. I called 911 and waited for the help to arrive. OK, so I'm patting myself on the back. My point is, its irrelevant that he was put in that situation by his own decisions and actions. Any maybe I should have just got over it. Or learned to "deal with it" and let him be. But Oh well, I just felt a bit of compassion was more important than judging weather he deserved my help or concern. Thats what being a liberal is about... Concern for others, regardless.

Opps, I'm ranting. Sorry :) I hurt my back pretty bad the other day and I think my pain pill just kicked in.

Happy trails..
IMOK
P.S. Lift with your legs, not your back :)

[kskiska]

31. I must have seen that headline 3 or 4 times

but this one sounds more serious than the previous ones. Maybe this is IT.

[htuttle]

33. Grandma's on the roof and we can't get her down...

[LizW]

34. How much worse could he get?

I assumed he had been comatose for some time. I wonder what the change in his condition could be. If this is true, it could be just a matter of days.

I imagine that this will in some way be a relief for the family. I watched my own father waste away with a degerative and painful illness, and it is very sad. You begin to wish for it to end for them.

[Davis_X_Machina]

35. Brace yourself for the Reagasm.

A week of 24/7 cable news coverage. Junta Boy could hold up passengers on the Metro under such circumstances, and it wouldn't even make the local news.

The state funeral ought to be particularly exciting. I'm particularly looking foward to Peggy Noonan demanding to be sealed up in the tomb to serve the emperor in the next world.

[gumby]

57. Do ya think

The Noonster would be WOMAN enough to do it?

[AlFrankenFan]

69. It ain't gonna be a week

It's gonna be a month and I won't hear the end of it when I visit my father...and it ain't fun to comfort a grown man who's one of your friends...

[notbush]

36. Yea, I disagreed with a lot of his policies

But I agreed with a few. He was the eternally optimistic about the United States.
R.I.P.

[madrchsod]

37. i have posted here many times about ronnie

since he was from dixon and my dad knew him when he was in school here. my dad bought booze from "moon" reagan! he was a nice guy who thru incredible circumstances made his way to president. he had alot of major faults and he was the perfect front man for the neocon right. he never had a clue what was going on after he was shot,my dad saw it right away as did alot of people their age..but the media refused to look.
my dad summed ronny up- "he`s was just a dumb mick` that made it out of the southside"

[PartyPooper]

40. This thread is sucking all of the oxygen out of all of the others in LBN.

What does that tell you?

:7

[Cooley Hurd]

41. "Regan's" condition certainly did worsen...

Donald Regan died last June...;)

[AlFrankenFan]

42. Uh oh...

I see me comforting my Republican friend some time next week and it ain't a good thought...

[Doosh]

45. Reagan's death will be symbolic of Bush and conservatism's downfall in Nov

[richmwill]

46. Prayers

I will pray for Reagan. Regardless of politics, he's suffering from a horrible disease.

But, if I hear ONE "Win This One For The Gipper!" comment if he should die this year, then I will be screaming and pointing out to everyone the scummy hypocrasy of the right-wing.

[saigon68]

48. When Joe McCarthy died in 1957 in Appleton Wisconsin

Legend has it my Uncle who lived near Appleton Wisconsin, got out his only thread bare suit, put on a white shirt and tie and went to the funeral mass for the man.

The reason he went, as he related to us years later, was to observe the coffin and to make sure "The Son Of a Bitch was really Dead".

Sums up my feelings for Ronald Regun

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

51. I hope the fucker is in severe pain, but I doubt it.

[LizW]

56. Cruel and hateful

Thanks for giving the freepers loads of ammunition.

[saigon68]

60. I don't think WJMS cares one good God Damn about the freepers

They can go Fuck themselves

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

164. 10-4 baby... you got that right

[Cyrano]

61. Totally agree

I never thought I'd see this kind of vicious, unadulterated bile, hatred and pure meanness of spirit on DU. Much of this is what you'd expect on FreeRepublic. Wake up people. If you think like this, you're becoming THEM.

[Syrinx]

65. just take a peek in here when any republican dies

It is unfortunate.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

163. Not any republican, just the ones who are scumbags

which, unfortunately is waaaay too many of them

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

162. I don't care. I am sick of worrying about what others think

This is the bastard that destroyed the US and set us on the track we are now on.

[Angelus]

53. Oh well.

If he dies, it's one less republican on this planet.

Yeah, so I may be an insensitive asshole. Sue me. :)

[Doosh]

54. wonder if it'll be open casket

can't be a pretty sight.

[notbush]

58. I'm off of this thread for the night

I can't stand the unadulterated hate dripping from the keyboards.
Hate and you will be hated....

[Cyrano]

62. I'm with you. I'm off this thread.

[gauguin57]

66. Sounds terrible, but ...

I hope he doesn't die on June 6. This will probably be the last "ends-with-a-zero" anniversary of the D-Day invasion that most of those WWII veterans will see ... and those veterans who helped save the world should have their one last day in the sun. Most of them will not be around in 10 years. They helped save the world. There are all kinds of tributes planned on TV, and these gentlemen (along with all World War II veterans, by extension) should have their day of honor. If Reagan dies, THAT's what's going to be on TV all day.

I didn't like Reagan's policies, but I do feel sorry that he got Alzheimer's. And I do feel sorry for Nancy (but it's so great that she's using her platform to push for stem-cell research on behalf of such a beloved conservative icon).

[crossroads]

74. Nice post... good thinking... ya got a kind heart!

:pals:

[playahata1]

108. Good riddance!

Who are YOU, or anyone else, to tell anybody what to think?

As an African American, as a woman, I have no love lost for Reagan. He did not care for people like me, so why should I give a fuck about him?

And who the hell CARES what the Freepers think?

[notbush]

165. You need to READ THE RULES and stop your namecalling!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

64. G'nite

The freepers never gave us a goddamn INCH when Wellstone died.
I'm tired of "taking the high road" all the time.
Especially when I've been kicked in the face for it so many times.

[jus_the_facts]

91. yeah that high road sure does seem to be a DEAD END...doesn't it?

....a neverending dead end in fact. :evilfrown:

[DUJunkie]

67. Fuck you raygun!

Many union members and their families suffered because of your intervention.I say good riddance to bad rubbish.:toast: :bounce:

[Tight_rope]

92. A few graves I plan to spit on if ever I get a chance!

Reagan
Bush Sir.
"Will piss on Duyba's grave"! :beer:

[IMOK_UROK2]

168. That may not be such a good idea....

The nitrogen contained in the urine will only make the grass greener and people may think you are trying to improve the grave site :hurts: Just like when you see the dark green spots on a lawn with pets. Try Roundup, its fast and lasts longer, and the spray is much easier to control, its hard to urinate a fine mist.

[IMOK_UROK2]

68. The mind is our most powerful weapon

If he is at the point of death, I hope and pray that it comes swiftly. No one regardless of what they have or haven't done deserves such a torturous death. May he go quickly and without pain.

Just because we don't agree with his politics doesn't mean his life is less valuable than anyone Else's. My best friends dad died from this vicious disease and the toll it takes on family is great.

This should not be a ploy for the Republicans to use as a political advantage nor should it be used by us to denigrate Reagan. That can only hurt our party. We have to many true issues that speak volumes against the other party. We don't need to use this mans horrible fate, in the long run it only makes our party and DU look bad.

But thats just My 2 cents, well, looking back I guess its more like several dollars.

[DUJunkie]

73. would you think the same, let say

if it were bush* on his death bed. Man I lived the 80's and heated every fucking year it had to offer. And now it's time to celebrate, and everyone is worrying about what the freepers think. Fuck them too.:wtf:

[IMOK_UROK2]

76. Life is a two way street, sometime you have to drive the wrong direction.

Did I say I care what people from other message boards think? I said I have compassion for ANYONE who is suffering reguardless. If you can't grasp that concept, than you are being consumed by your anger and have lost your ability to care. Bush, Clinton.. Dose it matter? Should it matter? No, it shouldn't. No one deserves the horrible fate of such a disease. Its that simple. Don't read into my message something I didn't say. Like I said, I've seen it first hand and the toll it takes on family. I'm sorry if my compassion bothers you but thats just what way I am. I don't base my understanding or empathy on what I think of someone.

[DUJunkie]

78. I'm sorry IMOK_UROK2, part of my message was directed

at you and part was directed at this thread in general.

[IMOK_UROK2]

79. Subject? What subject?

No problem. A good argument is what makes this place fun. If people don't speak their mind, it would just be a bunch of blank pages :)

[DUJunkie]

81. IMOK_UROK2 nice to meet you,

I'm glad were on the same side.:hi:

[IMOK_UROK2]

167. If you're a middle of the road kind of guy, you may just get run over.

So many people who say they are "centerists"... I don't think they are being honest. You have to have an opinion and commit to an idea or issue. Or like that saying, if you are middle of the road, you're eventually going to get run over. Thats the way life is. You take a stand or take a hike :evilgrin:

All that aside, I'm glad that Reagan's suffering is over, no matter what his issues. My best friend took care of his father for years with Alzheimer's and it takes more patience than most people can ever know.

So anyway, glad to chat with you. Now I'm off to jump in the swimming pool. I just cleaned it and need to cool off, I earned it :hi:

P.S.
Thanks for the friendly fight, errr I mean discussion.

[tilsammans]

70. I hated the man's policies, but . . .

have empathy for what people go through with this illness. R.I.P.

[TOhioLiberal]

75. not seeing any info on any national site...

...confirming it. Checked msnbc and cnn, no mention of it at all. This would be a big story, no? Until a better source than drudge has it, I'll wait on any 'celebrating'.

[UrbScotty]

143. CNN

www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/reagan.health/index.html

[lebkuchen]

80. I hope Rumsfeld doesn't carry the longevity gene

Poppy isn't looking too good these days. Think Sonny Boy is wearing him down?

[peterh]

82. A little remembrance of Raygun….

"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged,"

"There is a mandate to impose a voluntary return to traditional values."

Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.
Facts are stupid things.

I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting.

My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.

We don't have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven't taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much.

"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."

"Well, I learned a lot....I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised. They're all individual countries"

"I don't know. I've never played a governor." –asked by a reporter in 1966 what kind of governor he would be

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."

"They say hard work never hurt anybody, but I figure why take the chance."

"The state of California has no business subsidizing intellectual curiosity." –responding to student protests on college campuses during his tenure as California governor

"We are trying to get unemployment to go up, and I think we're going to succeed."

"As a matter of fact, Nancy never had any interest in politics or anything else when we got married."

"How are you, Mr. Mayor? I'm glad to meet you. How are things in your city?" –greeting Samual Pierce, his secretary of Housing and Urban Development, during a White House reception for mayors

"My name is Ronald Reagan. What's yours?" –introducing himself after delivering a prep school commencement address. The individual responded, "I'm your son, Mike," to which Reagan replied, "Oh, I didn't recognize you."

"What does an actor know about politics?" –criticizing Ed Asner for opposing American foreign policy

"What makes him think a middle-aged actor, who's played with a chimp, could have a future in politics?" -on Clint Eastwood's bid to become mayor of Carmel

[librechik]

83. "insider response" from the newsroom alert

Mike Reagan said Ronald had to miss his knee appointment today. Now we are on deathwatch. It has to come someday, folks. Brace yourselves. Nobody turned a hair when I sounded the alarm today.

Nice distaction for the Shrub, sadly.

[Lorien]

84. This will give the conservative corporate media

all it needs to roll out special after special on "Reagan; the greatest president of all time!" or some such BS. Then of course they'll compare him to *, and that will be enough to motivate the millions of disenchanted repugs to leave home and vote in Nov.

Personally, I think he's been on ice for a while now.

[peterh]

85. The horror….Reagan B-movies….

24/7 on the family channel….:hurts:

[calimary]

172. Hey, look. Better it happens now. Any later in the year would make it

a little fresher in the wavering voter's mind, too close to THEIR convention and the general election. No. We WANT the time separation that this allows. It's early June. July and August and November are still a way off. PLENTY of time for people to forget, for the war to remain nasty, for flakes and flukes with the "turnover of power," and for the presidential debates and other campaigning upcoming. You do NOT - repeat - DO NOT want Reagan's mountain of obit crap to by vying for airtime during Kerry's coronation week.

And this juuuuuuuuuust might get a few of the oldtime party faithful to reexamine things a little. Reagan was their zenith. The high point of their years' worth of hoping for the big power grab. He brought in the whole newt gingrich nightmare and everything else, not to mention the rise of the religious fundamentalists and other assorted American ayatollas. They think Reagan walks on water. Always have. Always will. And NOW, as a country, we've come to this. Everything that's going on now, with the bush name all over it. In their minds, as the obits play out over the next several who-knows-how-longs, they'll unconsciously be comparing their finest hours - Reagan, with their very lowest - bush two. And they won't like what they see. I GUARANTEE you there will be some of the old guard who look again at the fiasco in Iraq and the lies and the needless carnage and they'll be thinking "Ronnie wouldn't have let that happen." Or "Reagan wouldn't have done that." Or "Reagan would have done this the right way." Or "We'd have been in and out of this by now." Some of them might in closed company over brandy or something even say it aloud. To add insult to injury, there will be others, probably those in various stages of "the inside" who may be well aware of the enmity Nancy Reagan had for the bushes, and they'll feel a lot more likely to cluster around her protectively. Many of them may agree with her about it. Because bush's star is NOT rising, more of the fair-weather types among them may be more favorably predisposed toward doing this now. At any rate, Reagan's passing and all the retrospective dreck will definitely have some people thinking back ruefully on those '80's "Glory Days." It will be painfully clear that those are NOT what we're enjoying, these days.

Unfortunately, there WILL be some snotnose speaker at the gop convention who dares to declare: "let's win one more for the Gipper." Just have your barf bag handy. But this could wind up working to our advantage. There are many people out there, and people have posted here, frequently, about having encounters with them, who are wavering now. Some of them are those "true conservatives" who hate how much he's spending and the nation-building crap from hell in Iraq and how government on his watch is bigger than ever before, and this will only serve to illustrate how greatly things have gone wrong. bush literally pales by comparison. As Ronnie Junior said awhile back (paraphrasing), "my father craps bigger than george bush."

Reagan's dead. The "glory days" of the gop are GONE. Over. Dead as he is. Lots of people are gonna read this as a metaphor. A very painful one. MANY heavy hearts in republi-CON (and Republican) circles this night. Guaranteed.

[happynewyear]

86. well I guess that rumor that Ronnie was out riding horses wasn't true

I heard that one about 1 year ago and found it impossible to believe. I was told it again a couple of months ago.

I seriously doubt that Ronnie even knows what a horse is anymore.

I hope he doesn't linger for too long. I am certain it is very hard on his family and Nancy as well. *sigh*

:dem: :kick:

[Judi Lynn]

87. Here's a hot one!

Altered Statesmen: Ronald Reagan


Thursday May 27 at 9.40pm

Drug addiction, chronic depression, alcoholism and senility - just some of the things you need to be a world leader... or so it would seem. Altered Statesmen reveals the extent of Ronald Reagan's shambling senility while he was in power.

Reagan's supposed intellectual inadequacies were seized on by a generation of satirists from Spitting Image's 'the President's brain is missing' sketch to countless Steve Bell cartoons. But the truth about the President's mental condition proves just as strange as fiction.

In this documentary, Louis Gottschalk, America's top Alzheimer's disease specialist, reveals that he detected signs of mental impairment in Reagan in 1980, months before he took office. Plus, Reagan's miraculous recovery after his 1980 assassination attempt left him with the deluded belief that he had been 'chosen by God' and made him utterly unwilling to brook any opposition to his plans. His former Deputy Chief of Staff Michael Deaver describes the chaos that ensued in the Oval Office.

Reagan attended the July 1981 G8 summit in Ottawa. He could only take part in discussions by reading from prepared cards and when British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher suggested a more 'free wheeling discussion' he launched into a bizarre and disconnected anecdote. A similar performance on the following day sent the Japanese premier to sleep. After the conference Reagan collapsed on Air Force One and was described by his biographer as "exhausted to the point of incoherence" unable to remember anything at all about the discussion at the summit.
(snip/...)

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_story_skin/427664?format=html

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You might want to amble on over to google news, and take a look at the headlines on Ronald Reagan:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=Ronald+Reagan


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Early political career

Nancy and Ronald Reagan married in 1952. Nancy became a powerful background figure in Reagan's rise and roles as governor and president.Ronald Reagan began his political life as a liberal Democrat, supporting Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his New Deal. He gradually became a staunch social and fiscal conservative. He embarked upon the path that led him to a career in politics during his tenure as president of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG), aligning himself with Senator Joseph McCarthy and cooperating with the House Un-American Activities Committee to "expose Communist influence in Hollywood". He turned in several of his allegedly Communist co-workers, although unlike many anti-Communists of the time he was strongly opposed to the formal banning of the American Communist Party. His employment by the General Electric company, delivering anti-communist speeches on radio broadcasts and speaking tours, further enhanced his political image in the anti-Soviet climate of 1950s America. By the 1964 election, Reagan was an outspoken supporter of conservative Republican Barry Goldwater.
(snip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan

Ronald Reagan chopping wood

[Disturbed]

93. I hated his policies

I hated Reagan's policies even when he was Gov. of the state I live in. He has been mentaly dead for a year or more, so I am guessing he feels no pain. It must be difficult for his wife. I don't know much about her and can't say I dislike her. It is great that his wife is using her platform to push for stem-cell research on behalf of such a beloved conservative icon. Also, she put down the idea of having his likeness on a coin. The fact that she consulted an astrologer made me smile and that "Just say no." made me laugh. Yeah, I will cringe when he passes and the Right Wing elevate him to near God status.

[Rationality]

95. There is no other source of this info

It is possible that this happens to be the case, but I suspect Matt Drudge is using the playbook before the game starts...

[Zynx]

99. Raygun is responsible for the deaths of thousands.

His policies towards the dictatorships in Central America with constantly supplying them with arms and supporting their murders were deplorable.

[snippy]

100. Republicans will accuse all democrats of celebrating Reagan's death.

Republicans also will say that anyone who liked and admired Reagan and who does not vote for Bush is supporting the terrorists.

[Deja Q]

102. Why didn't we say repukes celebrated Wellstone's death?

Lots of them wished him dead. One of them helped kill him. Lots of them now have bumper stickers saying "Wellstone's dead, get over it".

Turn the tables. I'm waiting for my "Reagan is dead, get over it 30 years ago. (next line in microprint: 'Remember when they had their bumpersticker saying 'Wellstone is dead, get over it.''"

[Beaker]

106. in my case, they'd be right.

btw...what will be the proper ettiquite for visiting his eventual gravesite...?
Do you piss on his grave before you dance on it- or vice-versa?

[peterh]

152. For the sake of the soles....dance first, then piss….

:silly:

[Deja Q]

101. Breandead for decades, let his body snuff it in October...

That way, the Dems won't do what the repukes did, as usual as the only way you can beat a repuke is to beat 'em by their own game, and Bush will win via cheap sympathy votes.

[Shopaholic]

103. I have no compassion for him

as he had no compassion for millions of citizens in this country during his administration. I remember those days all too well. So Nancy's had it rough? Yeah, right. I tell you who has it rough-people who have no one to help them take care of their loved ones stricken with Alzheimer's. People who don't live in mansions in Beverly Hills. People who have no health insurance-they're the ones who have it rough--not Nancy. I didn't like him when he was president. I don't like him now. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and start expressing sympathy and compassion for him at this late date.

[KG]

104. fuck ron reagan and every one of his neo-con acolytes

satan is building a new circle in hell for him and his cabal for the misery they've unleashed upon the world.

[peaches2003]

105. They will hold the news of his death

The White House will put a hold on the broadcast of any news Reagan dies (I believe he already has or will in the next few hours) until our little Emperor has his Normandy photo-op. Then he can play the grieving moron and rush home. He is already practicing his contorted w/ grief facial expressions. But be sure Bush will NOT have his Normandy/D Day moments taken away with any news of Reagan's passing.

[Cooley Hurd]

107. I'll bet you're right...

...about the WH putting a hold on the story, but only for the reason that the Chimpo wants to be the one who breaks the news to the American people.

Here's the MSNBC link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5144264/

<snip>
The Associated Press
Updated: 8:44 a.m. ET June 05, 2004PARIS - Former President Ronald Reagan’s health has deteriorated, the White House has been told.

The White House was informed that the 93-year-old former president’s health had changed significantly in the past several days, a person familiar with Reagan’s condition told The Associated Press Saturday.
</snip>

[Beaker]

111. why is the 60th anniversary of D-Day such a big deal?

i could undestand 50, 100, even 75...but 60?
is there something signifigant about the last anniversary ending in "0" that the remaining D-Day vets will probably be alive for? if so, what and why?

[arwalden]

113. Bush* Has A "Grief-Face" That's As Believable As Joey Tribiani's (Friends)

IOW: Comically unbelievable.

[arwalden]

109. Reagan Dime, Reagan Quarter, Reagan $10.00, Reagan Nat'l Monument

BARF!

-- Allen

[kerrycrat2k4]

110. Oh great

A summer filled with VRWC wingnuts explaining how communism was somehow evil and how reagan singlehandedly defeated it while the media chants USA USA in the background.

[underpants]

112. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for relishing this

He's an old man going through what a lot of people are going through.

Okay so you may not have liked him politically but that is no reason to want him dead or take joy in his passing. Whatever you think of THEM there is no doubt that he and Nancy loved each other very much and had a long loving life together.

I expect to see some of these responses read on the RW media as an example of how "deluded" DU is.

He is a human being whose time has come, let him pass in peace and wish he and his family well.

[Cooley Hurd]

114. Jeebus... isn't it embarassing?

Compassion evidently isn't a common trait amongst DUers (and before I get flamed with "but, why should we have compassion for him - he didn't have compassion for anyone else," let me just say that if you fault him for a lack of compassion, and then show a lack of compassion for him, that makes you a hypocrite).

[underpants]

118. Very well said alg-EVERYONE READ THAT POST

Hate doesn't create anything and it won't right past wrongs. Let the man have his peace.

[Maeve]

126. Compassion is a common trait here, but sometimes it goes into hiding

For many of us, the Reagan years were among the worst of times and the worship the man has been given is grossly misplaced. As a result, tremendous anger comes out, even at somewhat inappropriate times. Some of the more compassionate avoid painful threads like this--knowing what speen will be vented and prefering not to enter in.

My grandmother suffered that long twilight of Alzheimers--I feel for the families that have to endure it and am sorry for their pain and loss. It is a sad and sorrowful ending for good and bad alike.. I'll save my anger for those who continue to hold the reins of power.

[Beaker]

115. Fuck them both.

he showed no compassion for others in life, and deserves none in death.

[Cooley Hurd]

116. Read my post, Beaker...

:shakeshead:

[Beaker]

120. i repeat- Fuck them both.

i never claimed to be a compassionate person, now did i?
i've never been in the position of being leader of the free world, and then shitting over the population of the planet...but if i ever do get into that position, and then show the same lack of compassion as ex-president drool-cup, then you can climb up on your high-horse and call me a hypocrite...but not until.

[Cooley Hurd]

122. And from my position on my "high-horse..."

I shall look down on you and feel compassion for you and your insatiable hate.

[Beaker]

124. ummmm...ok-a-a-y...

:eyes:
(sorry- i forgot about your shit not stinking and all...)

[Cooley Hurd]

125. And roses really smell like poo-poo-poo...

;)

[calimary]

173. LOL! I wondered if that's what they were singing...

I love these guys!

[Merlin]

119. C'mon, don't get your undies in a bunch. We hate his policies.

I really don't see a lot of disrespect for the human condition here. What I see is a lot of anger directed at him and his policies for what they did and continue to do for our country. That is legitimate.

As for what the freepers may do with our comments, who gives a rat's ass?

[underpants]

130. Merlin and playa-points taken

Merlin I am reading some here that are espousing hate towards him personally but then that just might be me. In retrospect (as I grew up and ate up the Reagan era-sorry) never really blamed him because I never really saw him as the actual leader. One of his bios is entitled "The Role of a Lifetime" which I think it was, he just read the script (a precursor to W and the post Nixon Repub model).

Playa-I do. I like DU, I like it a lot and I don't want to see it become some pariah of politics. I will say that any publicity is good publicity and as people read threads here that we do espouse ideas/comments/theories wise and otherwise but on the hole it is pretty rational. The excerpts that the RW HAS chosen often come from DU'ers I am not familiar with and threads that didn't hit my radar.

I just think that when someone passes let them have their day and after that the discussions (though they surely will be fawning) will remind people of what actually happened. With Reagan eventually the OBL/Saddam connections will come up and the spin I can smell coming down the road - "A vote for Bush is a vote for the memory (spirit) of Reagan" surely they are polling on this as I type- with create a bit of a cringe factor in many and many people will reevaluate the Reagan era, though they aren't going to get much real perspective from the lazy pack mentality American press.

[playahata1]

132. Undie, check out your last paragraph:

<<I just think that when someone passes let them have their day and after that the discussions (though they surely will be fawning) will remind people of what actually happened. With Reagan eventually the OBL/Saddam connections will come up and the spin I can smell coming down the road - "A vote for Bush is a vote for the memory (spirit) of Reagan" surely they are polling on this as I type- with create a bit of a cringe factor in many and many people will reevaluate the Reagan era, though they aren't going to get much real perspective from the lazy pack mentality American press.

Question for you (and all other DUers): How can Dems and other progressives effectively counter the possibility -- and God forbid, the REALITY -- of Reagan's passing/memory/legacy/spirit HANDING the Chimp a second term?

[underpants]

134. First of all I was trying to say that that would come over some time

Secondly if we ARE going to talk about how this effects the race......okay: My gut/first impression don't see this as a huge plus for W-aside from the lovefest that the Repub convention will become (if substantial numbers actually watch it) the juxtaposition of Regan and W is not what Rove really wants whether he knows it or not. When people are reminded of the image of Reagan -that of the outdoorsman chopping wood and riding a horse which was what he was- and then see the characature of W trying to reinact it the curtain will be pulled back. W can't run on Reagan without him being his own man and the fact that the election of any incumbent is a referendum on HIM.

I know I know they are masters of image (what else do they have?) but Reagan isn't running and I have faith in my fellow 'Murkans (the middle anyway) that they will see it.

We will see how it plays out but I really don't think this is the win-win that the right probably does. Just some random thoughts.

[playahata1]

148. You have a lot more faith in the middle than I do.

Most of them will look at Ronnie and Shrub, and see not a whiff of difference.

[playahata1]

121. Undie, I like you a lot,

but WHO CARES what the RW media says about DU and others who dislike/hate Reagan?

As another poster just said: why should anyone who has shown little compassion for anyone who did not fit his vision of what an American is (African Americans and other people of color, women, the poor and working class, union members, take your pick) be given compassion in return? Reagan has done nothing to earn any love and compassion from me.

[peaches2003]

117. Karl Rove is having an orgasm

Who doubts Rove is having the ultimate orgasm- planning the announcement of RR's death so that the link between RR/Chimp/D Day/'Bush is now a war hero announcing RR's death from Normandy on 6/6' will last until November. This will become a campaign commercial by 6/7.

[Merlin]

123. The timing of this actually works FOR us.

Far better it be now than, say, September or October. Of course, he may linger...

As somebody else mentioned, his passing may have a sort of metaphoric impact on the right wing; a sense of the passing of one era and opening of another; apropos of the current locust-like revival of liberalism inspired by GWB.

(The only thing wrong with comparing the frequency of the rebirth of liberalism to the cycle of cicadas is that cicadas revive more often.

My question is: How in the hell do we go about keeping our side energized for more than a couple of years at a time? We need a long-term commitment; a second Enlightenment.)

[playahata1]

128. Speaking on TIMING....

Has anyone considered the fact that this news comes at the end of a week during which there was a HUGE shake up in the CIA, and that shake-up does not reflect well on Bush and the Republicans? Just like every other ploy Bushco uses to distract people from digging at the truth.

[rasputin1952]

133. I think it is important to recall, that most of the "Reagan Decisions"...

came long before he came down with Alzheimers. He was a RW lunatic long before the scourge of Alzheimers began to take its toll.

I hope and pray that someday, Alzheimers will be conquered. But if I were to come down with that dread disease in the next few years, it would not excuse me from any poor decisions I had made in the past.

Alzheimers, (and many other diseases), need to be dealt with, but they cannot be used as an excuse for decisions that affected millions and crushed the poor into even worse circumstances. Reagan, long before he was afflicted, was a nasty, selfish, self-serving dud of a president.

[FlaGranny]

135. He wasn't

ALL bad. He helped raise Ron Jr.

[rasputin1952]

141. I'll give you partial credit for that one....

I think Ron Jr, had to raise himself most of the time...:)

[Nlighten1]

137. Change the subject!

This will give the media a reason to ignore...well everything...Tenet quitting...FBI letting 9/11 highjacker go...the pope telling * to get out of Iraq...Booosh and Cheney lawyering up...war crimes...you name it.

[cal04]

140. Update from Drudge Report

Reagan aide said that the former President has taken a turn for the worse. They don't think the end is imminent (not tomorrow). Staffers are being told to go about their business, to go on vacation if scheduled...

After Reagan dies, streets near the house in Belair will be closed. There will be NO annoucement of death from the house. Someone will call the news wires and announce where there will be an on-camera statement.... MORE...

[PROGRESSIVE1]

150. Please post this in the GD forum.

I hope that he doesn't go before November 3rd.

[Zomby Woof]

146. everybody dies

So he gets no special treatment from me. I will have a bottle of Jack ready to celebrate that fucker's death. The world will be a better place without that fascist fucker's presence to soil it.

Fuck anyone who says I lack compassion. The world should rejoice at the death of tyrants and tools. I save my compassion for those he fucked over, and all of the ones his disciples have fucked over, or anyone who is sympathetic to fascists and fascism.

Reagan will die, just like everyone else does. Where is it written that rejoicing in the inevitable is bad, especially when you consider what foul vermin he was?

The only thing that will sadden me about his death is the fucking lionization from the media. You will witness the biggest whitewashing of a president's life and career not seen since JFK.

Fuck Reagan, his supporters, his sympathizers, and his miserable existence upon the planet. Piss on his grave.

[Tight_rope]

154. All Living Things "MUST" Die!!!!!!!

This sentence was the first thing I read in my Biology book my first day in college. "Boy talk about a rude awaken"! It hit me like a ton of bricks. And after reading that I realized that I'm going to live my life the way "I WANT"!

Yes, I know that along the way I have and may make mistakes (willing to accept the consequence), but knowing that one day I too will die, I simply take it as an experience well learning.

I only wish more people would consider this concept.

People like Hitler and Duyba deserve no compassion.

snip ~"Bush is not an imbecile. He's not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. He has an inordinate sense of his own entitlement, and he's a very skilled manipulator. And in all the snickering about his alleged idiocy, this is what a lot of people miss."

snip~"He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence, when he's talking about revenge..."It's only when he leaps into the wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes."

snip~An example, Miller says, surfaced early in his presidential tenure.

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family," Bush was quoted as saying.

"That wasn't because he's so stupid that he doesn't know how to say, `Put food on your family's table' — it's because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the table," Miller says.

snip~"When he tries to talk about what this country stands for, or about democracy, he can't do it," he said.

This, then, is why he's so closely watched by his handlers, Miller says — not because he'll say something stupid, but because he'll overindulge in the language of violence and punishment at which he excels.

"He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy. He's much like Nixon. So they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes. They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would lose his temper."

snip~ I call him the feel bad president, because he's all about punishment and death," he said. "It would be a grave mistake to just play him for laughs."

More-----------> http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=9243

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

156. Out of respect for all the people who have this horrible disease...

I tried very hard to muster empathy for St. Ronnie.

Unfortunately, I failed. I wonder why.

[PatGund]

159. He can't die yet....

He has to hold out until September, so that the GOP can rally behind his memory, and use it to pimp Shrub's re-selection.

I'm sorry to see how the man is dying, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I can't say I'm sorry to see him die though.

[Tansy_Gold]

166. sorry, but he just did

n/t

[are_we_united_yet]

170. I'll say

Its safe to say you can probably lock this thread.