Flynt-y investigation (Bush girlfriend abortion)

[TheWebHead]

Hustler publisher Larry Flynt has been threatening for months to reveal in his new book that President Bush once arranged for a girlfriend to have an abortion. "I've got the story nailed," he claims.

Having gotten an advance look at Flynt's "Sex, Lies & Politics," we can tell you he hasn't. Flynt writes in his polemic/memoir that four years ago, he received a tip that Bush had, in 1971, impregnated a woman who lived in "the same singles apartment complex in Houston." According to the tipster, Bush turned to a family friend, who steered the woman to a doctor who performed the procedure, which was then illegal.

more...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/200421p-173026c.html

[Momof1]

1. KKKarl getting the story out there....before its a story

WELCOME TO DUMP BUSH'S SHIT WEEK!!!!

[displacedtexan]

13. Another Non-Denial Denial

they don't seem to be disputing the facts; they appear to be disputing the source of the facts.

[truthisfreedom]

2. stuff like this doesn't MEAN anything. rethugs are masters of denial and

revisionist history. look at oxycontin rush dildohead limbaugh. he hasn't lost his base even though he was a hillbilly heroin junkie. what would happen if this story had legs? nothing, basically. bush's base doesn't CARE.

[Mike Niendorff]

4. re: "Bush's base doesn't CARE"

Now you're catching on. They can't violate "principles" they don't have.

(note: as to Limbaugh, I believe the technically-correct term for him is "multi-millionaire celebrity drug addict". For example, when speaking with one's right-wing friends, one might casually observe: "You mean you're getting your daily political news from a multi-millionaire celebrity drug addict? Wow, that explains a lot." :evilgrin: )


MDN

[GoBlue]

3. Rush and Molloy are a joke, right!

George Rush grew up in a small Midwestern town, and then went on to Brown University, followed by Columbia University, where he received his master's degree in journalism. He wrote articles on weighty topics for national magazines, and a book, "Confessions of a Secret Service Agent." But after meeting Joanna Molloy, a fifth-generation New Yorker, Rush soon straightened out his life and began writing a gossip column with her. The couple, who have been married since 1992, have a little Rush.

[americanstranger]

8. Actually, they're pretty cool.

I got interviewed by Joanna Molloy about the 'Miserable Failure' Google bomb, and she's probably the most honest journalist of the lot who I spoke to - and I spoke to ABC, BBC, NYTimes, Newsday and a few other papers.


Molloy got it. And they aren't real big fans of Bush, believe me.

-as

[TheWebHead]

10. she had a daily radio show for a couple years

back in the eyada.com days '99-'01.. They were sort of an all-internet 'Air America'... liberal leaning comedy/gossip radio -- though the NY Post's Richard Johnson was on 1-hour a day.

[dbt]

5. It doesn't matter whether this is true or not.

After all, the truth never bothered the Clinton-haters. This simply needs to keep circulating, especially to church groups, VFW posts, etc.

:evilgrin:
dbt

[hayu_lol]

6. The story is different, but true. Has been documented by the operating

room nurse in the Houston hospital where the abortion was performed. The girl was 15 at the time. Bush was in mid 20s. Yes, abortions in the US were illegal at the time. The woman, now married to an FBI agent is understandably hesitant to get into this.

This is as I remember it from 2000 when it first surfaced.

[Voice_of_Europe]

7. 15 years old?

oh.. underage too... nice... very nice...

[havocmom]

25. 15 year living in a singles apartment complex?

yep, smells fishy

[mac56]

26. Where does it say that she "lived" there?

nm

[havocmom]

32. in the snip on original post?!?

"impregnated a woman who lived in "the same singles apartment complex in Houston."

[mac56]

33. oops - you're right -

Sorry.

[Redhead488]

11. So let's see if I have this right...

They performed an illegal abortion on a 15 yo girl in a Houston HOSPITAL. Seems odd that they would do something so illegal in such a high visibility location. Something stinks.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

12. Why does it stink?

Throughout history, money, influence and position has always trumped legality.

Is it more non-troubling and convenient for it to stink, in your opinion?

[Redhead488]

14. Nope, just doesn't quite ring true

Seems more implausible for it to have happened in a hospital vice a private doctor's office. Don't you think?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. You still don't get it, do you? Let me make it very simple for you...

...having lots of money can turn an entire hospital wing into a private doctor's office if needed. And the Bush family has LOTS of money.

[Name removed]

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[KansDem]

51. Actually, I think this was done for Richard Nixon...

When he was hospitalized in 1974 at Long Beach Memorial Hospital with phlebitis. I was living in the area at the time and heard that he had commandeered an entire floor when he was admitted. I don't know if this is true or just an urban legend, though.

I tried to find an article about this but was unable to. Here is a link to an obit about his chief physician (for what it's worth):
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:iNyp0wywPu8J:www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m4PRN/2000_April_7/61399051/p1/article.jhtml+richard+nixon+long+beach+memorial+hospital+phlebitis&hl=en

[starroute]

39. Probably a "therapeutic" d&c

In the 60's, I had a friend who'd had an abortion. She went to her family doctor, who said he'd diagnose menstrual irregularity and prescribe a therapeutic dilation and curetage, no questions asked. But that procedure is messy enough (and carries some risk of excessive bleeding) that it had to be done in a hospital.

Abortion was always available before it was legal. Ask any of your older female relatives. It was only frightened teenagers who didn't want anybody to know, or women who were too poor to afford the hospital procedure, who had to go to back alley abortionists.

[stanwyck]

52. not at all

lots of abortions done in hospitals during the '70's and '80's. Not sure what you're basing your supposition on here.

[KansDem]

23. I'm afraid I'm inclined to agree with you, TS...

A couple decades ago I never would've said this, but it does seem that religion and laws were set up to control the masses, not the political/economic elite.

I used to believe we all lived under the same law and beliefs. Not any more.

[Fovea]

40. I was working in a Kansas ER

when what might have been the last woman to die from
an illegal abortion died.

It is one of the experiences that I have never completely recovered from.

In the same ER, we had a woman from an anti abortion group
come in and pose as a woman needing a D&C even though she'd
had a hysterectomy. She was going to go to the press and tell all,
except of course that the proceedure's cuff is pretty easy to see in a cursory pelvic exam.

Kansas bled before the first civil war, and again before the second, the one that Reagan started in 1980. The one that is not yet over. The one that probably will split the US in two.

[KansDem]

50. That is a sad story...

Thanks for sharing it with us...

And I agree, we are in a second Civil War. I sense the US is splitting in two, and I'm not sure how much more we can endure and if it will eventually turn violent...

[papau]

16. The location of the abortion facility can be found by google -

not that it matters

The Doctor that performed is known, and the nurse is talking.

[Redhead488]

19. How about just providing a link?

[papau]

46. CNN link no longer works - but here are some others

http://democrats.com/search.cfm

With Bush Focused on Outlawing Abortions, Will the Media Report on Bush's Own Illegal Abortion?
23-Jan-03
Bush Abortion
In 2000, Bartcop reported, "In the winter of 1971 Bush was dating a woman named Robin Lowman (now Robin Garner). Miss Lowman became pregnant by Smirk and he arranged for her to have an abortion - which in the great state of Texas in 1971 was very illegal! The unnamed source of this story, was a friend of Robin Lowman's and the girlfriend of the man who arranged the abortion. His name is Robert Carl Chandler Miss Lowman's abortion at the Twelve Oaks Hospital in Houston, TX (now the Bayou City Medical Center). The source overheard the call by Mr. Chandler to arrange the abortion and the source visited Robin Lowman at the Twelve Oaks Hospital after the procedure. The source meanwhile, is afraid of coming forward, saying that she was threatened by Chandler and another Bush friend and supporter named Jim Bath. Bath has longstanding intelligence connections, and played a role in the BCCI scandal. Robin Lowman (now Garner) is married to Jerry Lee Garner who is an FBI agent."abortion doctor claiming GWB drove GF to clinic.


This is the same CNN that "disappeared" the Crossfire transcript containing Larry Flynt's allegations of Shrub's knocking up and procuring an abortion for a women in the early 1970s.



http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8722518%255E401,00.html
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=916439 Bush 'paid for abortion'. President Bush faced an extraordinary claim last night that he once paid for a girl-friend to have an abortion, Daily Telegraph, February 18, 2004: "The pro-life president arranged for the procedure in the early 1970s, according to porn publisher Larry Flynt. ... The controversial publisher of Hustler magazine told the New York Daily News he will make the claims in a book coming out this summer. ... 'This story has got to come out,' said 61-year-old Flynt. 'There's a lot of hypocrisy in the White House about this whole abortion issue. I've talked to the woman's friends. ... 'I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion I got the story nailed.' ... But Flynt would not disclose if he plans to name the woman."
(these links now dead? - a censored internet?)

see articles by Joe Conason


Now the incorrigible Larry Flynt says he plans to market a Bush abortion story as genuine - in a book to be published this summer by Kensington Press.

"This story has got to come out," the wheelchair-bound Hustler magazine honcho told the Daily News' Corky Siemaszko. "There's a lot of hypocrisy in the White House about this whole abortion issue."

Flynt claimed that Bush arranged for the procedure in the early '70s.

"I've talked to the woman's friends," Flynt said. "I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion," Flynt said. "I got the story nailed."

Flynt wouldn't disclose whether he plans to name the woman.


http://www.rense.com/general49/paid.htm

President Bush faced an extraordinary claim last night that he once paid for a girl-friend to have an abortion.

The pro-life president arranged for the procedure in the early 1970s, according to porn publisher Larry Flynt.

The controversial publisher of Hustler magazine told the New York Daily News he will make the claims in a book coming out this summer.

'This story has got to come out,' said 61-year-old Flynt. 'There's a lot of hypocrisy in the White House about this whole abortion issue. I've talked to the woman's friends.

'I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion I got the story nailed.'

But Flynt would not disclose if he plans to name the woman.

The allegation comes after pop star Moby raised Republican hackles last week when he told a New York gossip columnist that he thought Bush's enemies should cause some political mischief. He said: 'For example, you can go on all the pro-life chatrooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.'

There was no hint that 38-year-old Moby believed his abortion suggestion.

The White House had no immediate comment on the claim.

Republican National Committee spokesman Yier Shi said: 'The Democrats will do anything in this election, judging by their campaign tactics, to smear without any evidence or background. This is just another one of those cases.'

The abortion claim is the first hint of serious scandal that has emerged to harm the president's re-election chances.

Having won his party's support and the endorsement of family and conservative groups with his strong pro-life stance, it is certain to come under close scrutiny as the election in November draws closer.

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=9 16439





more on new book:

... Larry was writing a biting book called "Sex, Lies & Politics: The Naked Truth." ...Now the book is in my hands. Kirkus Review has given it a rave, and it will be published July 4 after Larry kicks it off at a press conference at Chicago's BookExpo America, where Bill Clinton will have made the opening remarks the night before. Larry will have a 20-city book tour, but he is already fighting to get himself heard on network TV. I look forward to seeing Larry in these broad venues speaking his mind, and I hope he gets that chance! In his impressive, well-researched book, Larry outlines the philosophical underpinnings of how our government got into the state it's in today. You better believe it is not a love letter to George W. Bush. The people recommending this work on his book jacket are Molly Ivins, Erica Jong, Greg Palast, Catherine Crier, Cody Shearer, Robert Scheer, Oliver Stone and Milos Forman. Scheer calls Larry "the Tom Paine of our time, skewering the pompous who dare to presume that they know what's best for us." And now that we see from the headlines every single day that "they" don't seem to know what's best for us, I double dare you to read Larry Flynt, and I double dare the TV media to give him his say.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/165209p-144622c.html

[Redhead488]

47. I meant a link with

facts about what happened. Not circular links that just repeat Flynt's claims.

[papau]

48. I'd suggest a phone call to the lady - just to confirm everything.

personally I will be buying the Flint book - and then seeing what back-up he has for the event via reading the book.

Last I looked, the girl friends of the lady were talking, the Bush friend that found the name of the clinic and visited is talking, and the nurse is talking.

and others are not.

A true GOP'er will not believe anything bad or evil about Bush, OR will go the born again route where what happened in the past is not of interest (unless it is a Dem we are talking about).

Folks have dropped the statements by the college friend of Bush about he and Bush going to under age girl "houses" in Mexico - because the fellow wants no more visits by Bush friends.

Seems a reasonable approach to take.

For me I do not care if he dies a Saint in the eyes of the mis-informed public - ala Reagan - heck - to some that deny the stories - the stories themselves may make Bush more manly - esp. after he did the gay review dress up plane landing on the ship to tell us Mission Accomplished - indeed, I hear that he now denies liking CATS (a new flip/flop) and we are told he does not hum show tunes while riding a bike - or at least was not doing so when he fell down last week!

:-)


I just look to the future for my grandkids, and I just want the war on the poor to end, and the rich to start paying their fair share.

[seemslikeadream]

20. Hey na dbt

I could swear I read
"It doesn't matter whether this is true or not."

from you elsewhere earlier this morning.

It seems DU has gained a few people lately that are very concerned about "legit" sources and whatnots.

I figure it's safe to use what ever means necessary when the country's been run by a bunch of fascists.






edit whatever peaceful means necessary.

[dusty64]

9. Hypocritical

repukes will NOT care. Now John Kerry's wife once considered having one, that is what they will focus on, nevermind that she didn't and is prochoice. There has got to be something fundamentally wrong with the brain chemistry of rightwingers, thats the only explanation I can come up with.

[wabeewoman]

43. There is

Whenever they run into a fact they turn right to avoid it. Makes them go in circles but I don't think they even notice. :}

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. I bet the NY Daily News "advance look" doesn't have all of the facts...

...that will be included in Flynt's final version. Either that, or they're lying.

I remember reading an article about this story some time ago, and Flynt has ALL of the names of the people involved.

[Soopercali]

21. You're missing the point.

The wingnuts won't care because IT HAPPENED BEFORE HE FOUND JESUS. So no harm, no foul - his sins are forgiven.

Except the war crimes, of course.

[Redhead488]

22. If this is true

It is SO hypercritical as to be unbelievable, and EVERY American needs to know about it. This is reason enough ALONE never to vote for *

[mac56]

24. Welcome, Redhead

I think that even if every American knew about it, Soopercali's point is still valid. The wingnut base will claim that the statute of limitations expired because he hadn't found Jesus yet, and how dare we criticize a great 'Murican who's savin' us from terra. Terra. Terra.

[Geo55]

28. The wingnut base will claim that the statute of limitations expired

I agree....won't bring the fence sitters into the tent...
any way GOD talks DIRECTLY to him...and he is TRANSFORMED from his former evil self.

[Redhead488]

29. While the SOL may have passed for the CRIME

it has not passed for being a hypocrite.

[mac56]

30. Couldn't agree with you more.

But watch and see. It won't bother the wingnuts one little bit. Bank it.

[Geo55]

31. hypocrite ?

The way the game is played ...."BORN AGAIN"...GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD ISSUED

[seemslikeadream]

35. Let me guess. I bet it bothers you that

"President George W. Bush's increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood swings"

now has 508 hits on google.

[Redhead488]

37. No, but it bothers

me that you seem to be making veiled accusations. Try spelling what you are accusing me of and don't hide behind Momma's skirts. Be a man.

[seemslikeadream]

41. GEE!!

on edit I didn't think it was that veiled!

[Redhead488]

42. You could have stopped after

"...think." Since that appears to be what happened.

[seemslikeadream]

44. And you could have stopped before you brought your

predijudices here.

[Redhead488]

45. What prejudicies?

Please elaborate. Or do you just prefer that everyone agree with you?

[dansolo]

56. Does God have a statute of limitations?

The illegality is not the issue. It is the immorality (at least, to the anti-abortion crowd).

[President Jesus]

27. Flynt's campaign contributions since 1979

looks like Clinton turned Flynt around in a big way...
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=CA&last=Flynt&first=Larry

[KansDem]

34. Flynt made this accusation on CNN...it was later scrubbed from transcripts

The following has been removed from the CNN transcript
Mr. Novak : Mr. Flynt, NEVER let it be said that we CENSOR any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE -- and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say.

Mr. Flynt : Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others, and we have continued this investigation -- and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background.

And we've found out in the early 1970s, he was involved in an abortion in Texas -- and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's aware of this story, won't ask him that question, when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all -- and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue.

Mr. Novak : Well, you're ...

Mr. Flynt : You know, the guy ADMITTED he was a drunk for twenty years, and if the abortion issue is true, then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton!

Mr. Novak : Mr. Flynt, you said IF it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong ...

Mr. Flynt < smiling, mind you> : THE HELL WE DON'T HAVE PROOF!

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bush-abortion.html

also...

Larry Flynt, owner and purveyor of the Hustler pornographic magazine, was interviewed October 20, 2003 on CNN's political talk programme, Crossfire, where he made the accusation, but refused to offer proof. Said Flynt, "The young lady does not want to go public, and without her willingness, we don't feel that we're on solid enough legal ground to go with the story." Apparently this did not deter Flynt from scandal mongering, a mainstay of Flynt's livelihood for thirty years.

CNN later removed the transcript of the interview from their website. But Flynt has reasserted his claims, telling the New York Daily News yesterday: "I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, I tracked down the Bush people who arranged for the abortion. I got the story nailed." He says he will publish the information in an upcoming book.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/feb/04021804.html

CNN censored itself in order not to offend the Bushistas!!! So much for "journalistic integrity" but what should we expect from the network that brought us the "yawning boy" lies...

[JoFerret]

36. Robin Loman (from BartCop

In the winter of 1971 George W. Bush was dating a woman named Robin Lowman
(now Robin Garner). Miss Lowman became pregnant by Bush and he arranged for
her to have an abortion - which in the great state of Texas in 1971 was very illegal!
Not to mention that George W. is running as a pro-life candidate for the presidency.

The unnamed source of this story, was a friend of Robin Lowman's and the girlfriend
of the man who arranged the abortion. His name is Robert Carl Chandler. Chandler is
a Bush friend and supporter from way back and he made the arrangements for Miss
Lowman's abortion at the Twelve Oaks Hospital in Houston, TX (now the Bayou City
Medical Center). The source overheard the call by Mr. Chandler to arrange the abortion
and the source visited Robin Lowman at the Twelve Oaks Hospital after the procedure.

The source meanwhile, is afraid of coming forward, saying that she was threatened by
Chandler and another Bush friend and supporter named Jim Bath. Bath has longstanding
intelligence connections, and played a role in the BCCI scandal. Robin Lowman
(now Garner) is married to Jerry Lee Garner who is an FBI agent.

So, that's the story: an illegal back room abortion arranged by the
Republican party Presidential candidate who is running on a pro-life ticket.
http://www.bartcop.com/bushabortion.htm

[tlcandie]

38. Don't forget to add that it our own FBI and such are using illegal

means/strong arm tactics to keep this under raps via their connections and actually threatening this woman!

[mistertrickster]

54. Wasn't this Bath guy the name of the National Guardsman that

was blacked out in Bush records because he did mega-deals with the Saudis?

Weird connections, aren't they?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

49. Other review comments on upcoming Flynt book are at Flynt website

http://www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=31

[Hekate]

53. W sinned. He repented. Jesus is now his co-pilot.

If you're looking for wingnut outrage, you forget that being "born again" means it's all wiped away.

A woman I used to be friends with had an illegal abortion as a scared college kid; 30 years down the road her way of dealing with it was to become a Roman Catholic and participate in "crisis pregnancy counseling." She feels enduring guilt, I think. In any case, she's not a hypocrite, and what I think of it doesn't matter, although when she found out I am pro-choice she backed across the room looking like she'd just seen Satan.

W is a different kettle of fish. First and foremost, being Bush means never having to say you're sorry. Second, being W means being a sociopath and not feeling sorry at all. Third, being a born-again president who caters to the evangelical Christian vote means all past sins are forgiven.

This so-far unsubstantiated rumor may not hurt him with true-believers.

Hekate

[crossroads]

55. Denial is not only a river in Egypt...

but a mainstay of the Repuk Party... I will hand it to Flynt, he has class... no matter what people think of him... when he smoked out La. Sen. Bob Livingston's affairs and forced him to resign (after offering $1 million bucks reward to women who came forward to tell all on Repuks--when Starr had it in for Clinton)... he was compassionate enuf to not pursue the story and publish it for the sake of the Livingston family... betcha Rush (the scum) wouldn't have done that for a Dem. if the shoe would've been on the other foot!!!
:eyes: