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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:06 PM
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Sudanese tell of mass rape
The pro-government Janjaweed Arab militia has been accused of using systematic rape, as well as killing and destroying the villages of black Africans, in the conflict in Sudan's western Darfur region.

Behind the closed door of a classroom, in the school compound where she has been living for the last two months, 35 year-old rape-victim Khadija, spoke of her ordeal.

"The Janjaweed arrived one evening in February in our village near Kaileck, they had guns," she says in a quiet voice.

"They followed us when we tried to escape. The group of people I was with was forced back to Kaileck. They had surrounded the whole town."

Sudanese tell of mass rape....

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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:13 PM
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1. Doesn't this gov't sponsored pogrom
have something to do with clearing the region out so that a Canadian Energy company, Talisman, can drill for resources?

I am asking, so if I am incorrect, please do not flame me. ;^)
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:22 PM
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2. I don't believe so
The Sudanese hardliners are not doing away with a million black Africans to make room for roughnecks. It's a campaign of ethnic cleansing, simple as that.

Most of the proven oil reserves are in the South, which is also where Talisman has interests. Darfur may have oil, but it's not as clear. The rebel groups and the government have reached a peace agreement to cover the Southern provinces. All of the parties have an interest in the regular flow of oil, and that's one reason they have chosen peace instead of war.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 02:41 PM
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11. It's a race & religious war
In the north, you have a government run by Arab religious fundamentalists. In the south, you have a black population that's a mix of Christian and pagan (specific religion varies by tribe and area).

The Muslim Arabs see the black pagans as "subhuman", and the black Christians as only slightly better, and they're trying to drive the blacks out of lands that they've held since LITERALLY the dawn of mankind. It's genocide, pure and simple.

But more than that, it's a proxy war. The Arab north is being supported by fundamentalists across the middle east who see the norths actions in that country as a stepping stone to the eventual Islamification (and arabification) of the entire African continent. They see it as a part of the continued expansion of the Muslim world.

Surrounding black nations, on the other hand, are providing funding, training, weaponry, and logistical support to the black Sudanese rebel groups. The surrounding nations know that if the blacks fail in Sudan, they are next in line for a takeover. They are supporting the fight in Sudan as a way to keep the war off their own soil.

IMO, the ONLY way to really resolve this is to split Sudan into two nations, or at least two autonomous federal states, in order to guarantee the rights and freedoms of BOTH groups. This will never happen, though, because:

1) Even though the Arabs control the north, much of the nations oil is in the south. The Arabs will not give up control of those oilfields and the wealth they generate.

2) The Arabs are there for conquest, not compromise. The Arabs are hardcore fundamentalist Wahabbi Muslims who take the Korans directives to kill pagans and spread Islam VERY seriously, and who have so combined both religious and racial hatred that they don't even see the blacks as equal humans.

And so here's the problem with Sudan, and the reason that nobody wants to touch it: There will never be a negotiated end to the war while the Wahabbi's are still in power and see this as a religious war...the only permanent solutions they will accept are those that turn Sudan into a Muslim state, and the southern blacks will never accept that. If we attack and/or depose the northern Arabs, however, much of the Middle East will perceive it as an attack against Islam, with the "West" taking the side of the pagans. It would inflame Arab hatred of the West at a time when those flames are already burning pretty damned high.

If you can think of a solution to this problem that will mollify both sides, you'll win the Nobel Peace Prize. For now, most people are simply satisfied to keep the war low level...no WMD's or large scale military maneuvers, just the occasional village burning or mass rape scenario.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 03:21 PM
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12. very insightful--question for you, Xithras
I have suspected that the conflict has had a racial dimension for many years, but that the religious conflict has obscured this fact. The genocide in Darfur reveals this starkly.

On the other hand, there may be a sectarian difference that matters to the Janjaweed.

Can you shed any light on that?
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CharlesGroce Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:25 PM
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3. Don't bother the American government or media with such tales...
they're too busy 'mourning', if that's what you call it, a war criminal.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:44 PM
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5. Nicely put (n/t)
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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:59 PM
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7. You're right
We let 800,000 people be slaughtered in tribal warfare in Rwanda and Burundi and didn't do a damn thing. No oil and no one cares about Black people.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 03:02 AM
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17. How rude! CharlesGroce you go too far this time!
We've been ignoring this for a much longer period than the Reagasm would excuse.

:D
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:27 PM
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4. I saw a headline the other day that quoted Kerry as saying that
the world needed to give it's attention to Sudan immediately. There is an ongoing crisis there, but does anyone know what policies Kerry would enact there?
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 01:37 PM
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8. not exactly, but in his own words
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 02:25 PM by gottaB
On edit: Typo

Statement from Kerry on the Situation in the Darfur Region of Sudan and the Lessons of Rwanda, from last April.

Statement by Senator Kerry on the Crisis in Darfur, the most recent statement.

John Kerry Blog on Darfur--lots of offtopic posting, but relevant links and comments as well.

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 02:12 PM
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9. Thanks!
eom
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 12:56 PM
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6. More people who think and act like Bush !! n/t
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bspence Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 02:14 PM
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10. that's a little too far there
I mean, I don't think W would rape anybody. At least not while he's sober.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:06 PM
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13. Not all rape is done with a penis
chimpy has raped the entire world.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 12:37 AM
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14. Well, the woman suing W for rape "committed suicide."
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 01:25 AM
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15. where have all the freedom lovin cowboys gone? n/t
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 02:04 AM
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16. Rape a tool in conflict pitting Arabs against black Sudanese tribes
KAS, Sudan - Hawa Hussein's eighth child has been growing in her belly for three months, but it's hard for her to love this child.

The baby brings flashbacks. Of four horsemen from an Arab militia called the janjaweed. Of the March evening when they swept into her quiet village, and dragged her down a red dirt path into the wilderness.

Of the gang rape, again and again, for 10 days.

"They tortured me because I was a Fur," said Hawa, 35, referring to her black African tribe, her soft voice falling to a whisper. "This baby doesn't belong to me. It belongs to the janjaweed."

Rape a tool in conflict pitting Arabs against black Sudanese tribes....

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