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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:17 PM
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Bush Defends Limits on Stem Cell Research
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&ncid=584&e=10&u=/nm/20040615/pl_nm/bush_stemcells_dc

Bush Defends Limits on Stem Cell Research

Tue Jun 15, 7:31 PM ET By Caren Bohan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush on Tuesday defended his policy of strictly limiting stem cell research, despite pressure to reconsider after former President Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) died of complications from Alzheimer's disease.

Reagan's death on June 5 has galvanized an effort to allow stem cells to be used to seek a cure for Alzheimer's, a brain-wasting illness. His widow, Nancy, has become a powerful spokeswoman for the push to broaden the use of stem cells in medical research.

Bush, speaking to an audience of core conservative Christian supporters, underscored his opposition to most embryonic stem cell research.

"Life is a creation of God, not a commodity to be exploited by man," Bush told the Southern Baptist Convention via satellite. The group's convention was held in Indianapolis. <snip>


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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:28 PM
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1. but it's okay to play god by deciding such things? does he not see
what a hypocrite he is by even believing he has a right to decide such things? If there were a god, he'd strike this buffoon down, what an arrogant piece of crap he is.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:32 PM
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2. C/F
there are no words to describe the self-serving arrogance of this horrid cabal.


nice nick! :hi:
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plumbnsquare Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:29 PM
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9. Who should decide?
"what a hypocrite he is by even believing he has a right to decide such things?"

Who do you believe should decide such things?
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AtTheEndOfTheDay Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:34 PM
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10. Someone with a brain for starters.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:32 PM
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3. So the creation of life is off-limits, but murdering people is a-okay?
What a fucktard.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:35 PM
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4. I've been attempting to educate myself on this issue....
....here are some links I have found helpful:


Bush Rejects Calls on Stem-Cell Research
(AP) - The White House rejected calls Monday from Ronald Reagan's family and others to relax President Bush's restrictions on stem-cell research in pursuit of potential cures for illnesses. Bush signed an executive order in August 2001 that limited federal help to financing stem cell research on 78 embryonic stem cell lines then in existence. Because day-old embryos are destroyed when stem cells are extracted, the process is opposed by some conservatives who link it to abortion. More ...

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=science&cat=stem_cell_research

<another site>

STEM CELL RESEARCH
All sides to the dispute.
Quotations:
"...research involving human pluripotent stem cells...promises new treatments and possible cures for many debilitating diseases and injuries, including Parkinson's disease, diabetes, heart disease, multiple sclerosis, burns and spinal cord injuries. The NIH believes the potential medical benefits of human pluripotent stem cell technology are compelling and worthy of pursuit in accordance with appropriate ethical standards." National Institutes of Health news release. 1
"...it is ridiculous for people who have already decided that it is moral to kill babies in the womb to show some squeamishness about destroying human embryos in a petri dish. Hell, man, once you decide to become a child-killer, their ages no longer matter. Or the numbers. Damnation of your soul is completed with the first one." Charley Reese 2
"Cal Thomas' article against stem cell research....is not particularly useful, because it does not deal with his fundamental belief that human person hood begins at conception. Similarly, articles by medical groups that promote stem cell research are not helpful, because they do not touch on their fundamental belief that embryos are not human persons. If there is to be any hope of resolving these issues, we must debate when human person hood begins. If we can reach a near consensus on this, then abortion, in-vitro fertilization, stem cell research and other debates will neatly resolve themselves." Comment letter to the Jewish World Review
The web site of CovenantNews.com on 2001-AUG-28 featured articles about stem cell research. Headings were:: "Murder by Abortion," "Get Your Human Sacrifice Grant Here," The file name is murder.htm.

Overview:
A stem cell is a primitive type of cell that can be coaxed into developing into most of the 220 types of cells found in the human body (e.g. blood cells, heart cells, brain cells, etc). Some researchers regard them as offering the greatest potential for the alleviation of human suffering since the development of antibiotics. Over 100 million Americans suffer from diseases that may eventually be treated more effectively with stem cells or even cured. These include heart disease, diabetes, and certain types of cancer.
Stem cells can be extracted from very young human embryos -- typically from surplus frozen embryos left over from in-vitro fertilization procedures at fertility clinics. There are currently about 100,000 surplus embryos in storage. However, a minority of pro-lifers object to the use of embryos. They feel that a few-days-old embryo is a human person. Extracting its stem cells kills the embryo -- an act that they consider murder. Stem cells can now be grown in the laboratory, so (in a pinch) some research can be done using existing stem cells. No further harvesting needs to be made from embryos. However, existing stem cell lines are degrading and will soon be useless for research.
Stem cells can also be extracted from adult tissue, without harm to the subject. Unfortunately, they are difficult to remove, are severely limited in quantity, and appear to be limited in usefulness.
Research using stem cells had been authorized in Britain, but was initially halted in the U.S. by President George W. Bush. He decided on 2001-AUG-9 to allow research to resume in government labs, but restricted researchers to use only 72 existing lines of stem cells. By 2003-MAY, most of these lines had become useless; some of the lines are genetically identical to others; only 11 remain available for research. Research continues in U.S. private labs and in both government and private labs in the UK, Japan, France, Australia, and other countries. On 2002-SEP, Governor Davis of California signed bill SB 253 into law. It is the first law in the U.S. that permits stem cell research. Davis simultaneously signed a bill that permanently bans all human cloning in the state for reproduction purposes -- i.e. any effort to create a cloned individual.
Following former president Ronald Reagan's death due to Alzheimer's in 2004-JUN -- a slow, lingering death that took a decade to kill him, Nancy Reagan and family have mounted a campaign to encourage President Bush to relax restrictions on embryo stem cell research. Fifty-eight senators, almost all Democrats, sent a letter to President Bush, urging the same action.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/res_stem.htm

<more links on Stem Cell topic>

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/

http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/

http://www.stemcellresearchnews.com/

http://www.aaas.org/spp/sfrl/projects/stem/main.htm

http://www.aaas.org/spp/cstc/briefs/stemcells/index.shtml

http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/stemcells/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010809-2.html

http://www.isscr.org/
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:53 PM
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5. Why then doesn't Bush outlaw in-vitro sterilization?
Obviously god has reduced sperm counts so he doesn't want people to have babies.
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Miss Marmelstein Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:09 PM
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6. Every time I read something about stem cells....
I remember the South Park episode with Christopher Reeve. So gross and yet so funny.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:15 PM
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7. Did Lil George say it right to Nancy's face?
Or is he too scared of the 75 lb. widow?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:41 PM
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8. Life is a "creation of God" but it's ok to flush embryos, deform babies
with depleted uranium, massacre civilians, execute retarded people and schizophrenics, destroy the earth, assassinate opponents, steal, lie, cheat..... Aren't we lucky that morality has been restored to the White House!
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:41 PM
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11. Life is a "creation of God"?
But "God" has "created" a biological system that results in mass numbers of eggs and sperm being destroyed constantly. For every birth there are thousands--if not millions or billions--of eggs and sperm that are destroyed. And that's GOD'S DOING.

Funny thing is I don't expect the Fundies to get the irony of that situation.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:52 PM
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14. Well said.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:23 PM
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12. Bush defends breaking wind.
This guy is such a screw up, he's going to be defending his bodily functions soon.

If I had a dime for every headline where he is defending his latest escapade, I would getting some of those tax cuts I keep hearing about. Being single, no kids and middle income, I don't think I have gotten squat from the squatter...
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:29 PM
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13. what does a stupid man like Bush know about how l,ife begins?
He only thinks or believes in a magical beginning which, in his stupidity, attributes to an invisible god who wishes to cause suffering up0on his own creation because, well because they have not waged war and suffering upon the infidels, the muslims, enough to WIN for the baby Jesus and his religion.

Right

and he purports, in his stupidity, to force it upon an entire nation, in his stupidity and in his magical beliefs, in order to make citizens of that country suffer MORE.

Religion is indeed the opiate of the masses.
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