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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:57 AM
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Democrats Seek to Subpoena U.S. Torture Memos
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top Democrat on the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) asked the Republican-led panel on Thursday to subpoena Justice Department (news - web sites) memos on U.S. torture policy of enemy combatants in the war on terror.



The request by Patrick Leahy of Vermont, made at the start of a scheduled committee meeting, triggered a spirited debate. Some Democrats admitted it was unlikely Leahy could muster the votes to issue a subpoena, but they at least wanted to put the committee on record.


A vote was expected later on Thursday.


Chairman Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican, opposed the proposed subpoena, saying it was excessively broad. But he said he had already talked with the White House about trying to reach a compromise to obtain some of the sought materials.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/security_torture_congress_dc

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jay-3d Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:59 AM
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1. Can we
petition?
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:08 PM
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2. of course
i'm not sure what good it will do but the repukes can't stop us from trying

welcome to DU by the way :hi:
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:14 PM
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3. That should be front page news, "Hatch opposes subpoena in
torture memos" and then a nice little editorial about how the only people that are proteced in this opposition are Asscrack and Dumbya.

It is not in our nations best interest to sweep this under the rug. The republicans are desperate for that to happen. That is obvious and it saddens me that we have to speak the obvious these days.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:19 PM
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4. Hatch is a swine....
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 12:21 PM by LeftHander
he was really effing quick to jump all over Clinton's shit with complete zeal now when we encounter a real crisis in American leadership and he is brown nosing ass kissing lap dog. This torture crisis rips to core of values shared by ALL Americans. People will see old Hatch as another NeoCon facist and is really part of the problem.

Torture for christ sake!

(On edit...."complete veal") lol
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:30 PM
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5. Way to go, Orrin! There's nothing like seeking to know ...
part of the truth!

And the partial truth shall make you partially free.

Just another Hatch-et job.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:21 PM
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10. Exactly right!
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 01:22 PM by benfranklin1776
"Half a truth is often a great lie." I think that quite applicable in this instance. The whole memo and nothing but the whole memo. Such a demand should be nonnegotiable as the Executive Branch seeks once more, ala Nixon, to hide its criminality behind the cloak of Executive Privilege. Orrin of course eagerly agrees to surrender Congressional oversight and lets petty party politics triumph over the principle of constitutional checks and balances. He would be Bush's ideal Supreme Court choice, a rubber stamp justice for the executive branch, so long as it is a Republican executive.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:50 PM
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6. If I were a defense lawyer for Lyndie England or similar
I'd be demanding the memos too. Any legal argument coming from government lawyers saying that it wasn't torture would surely be valuable evidence in their client's favor.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:55 PM
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7. Well, at least it's on the record (for future reference). n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:10 PM
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8. How could Orrin talk to the WH when his lips are attached to Bush's butt?
I would think at the very least he would be very difficult to understand.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:14 PM
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9. Hatch is a freakin' Moonie pawn
http://www.tparents.org/UNews/unws0103/50-Tour-NJ.htm

excerpt:

The video "We Will Stand" presented the hope, expectation, tears, sorrow, suffering and ultimate joy of Father and Mother’s life in America. It highlights how the Christians came together when Father went to prison in Danbury . It shows Senator Orrin Hatch standing up to proclaim with the full authority of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee that Rev. Moon was innocent. It concludes with the American Clergy Leadership Conference and the Christian leaders at the DMZ praying for peace. Dr. Hycel B. Taylor, Pastor of the 2nd Baptist Church of Evanston, Professor of Applied Theology at Garrett United Methodist Seminary and former National President of Operation Push gave the prophets call at the DMZ. "As we gaze across this damnable, demeaning, demoralizing wall of the DMZ we, like Moses cry out, "Let My Korean Children Go". He goes on to say like Jesus, Rev. Sun Myung Moon was inspired by God to bring a movement of peace. <snip>

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http://www.unification.org/rev_mrs_moon.html

excerpt:

In the meantime, protests were being made all around the nation over the injustice Reverend Moon was suffering. Many Christian leaders who never knew or cared about him began to realize that the government had made a serious assault on religious freedom. Altogether, Christians and non-religious groups representing over 160 million Americans came to his legal defense. A Senate subcommittee, chaired by Senator Orrin Hatch, conducted its own investigation into Reverend Moon's tax case and published its findings in a report which concluded:

We accused a newcomer to our shores of criminal and intentional wrongdoing for conduct commonly engaged in by a large percentage of our own religious leaders, namely, the holding of church funds in bank accounts in their own names. Catholic priests do it. Baptist ministers do it, and so did Sun Myung Moon.

No matter how we view it, it remains a fact that we charged a non-English-speaking alien with criminal tax evasion on the first tax returns he filed in this country. It appears that we didn't give him a fair chance to understand our laws. We didn't seek a civil penalty as an initial means of redress. We didn't give him the benefit of any doubt. Rather, we took a novel theory of tax liability of less than $10,000 and turned it into a guilty verdict and eighteen months in a federal prison.

I do feel strongly, after my subcommittee has carefully and objectively reviewed this case from both sides, that injustice rather than justice has been served. The Moon case sends a strong signal that if one's views are unpopular enough, this country will find a way not to tolerate, but to convict. I don't believe that you or I or anyone else, no matter how innocent, could realistically prevail against the combined forces of our Justice Department and judicial branch in a case such as Reverend Moon's.

...more...


Hey folks, these are Moon's own website's links. How much plainer can it get?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:39 PM
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11. Lie about BJ in Oval Office vs. Torture of Human Beings
...Hmmmm....which is worse Orrin?

:grr:
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