9/11 Tapes Reveal Ground Personnel Muffled Attacks-Rummy changed procedure

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp

What’s more, the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense had been changed in June of 2001. Now, instead of NORAD’s military commanders being able to issue the command to launch fighter jets, approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. This change is extremely significant, because Mr. Rumsfeld claims to have been "out of the loop" nearly the entire morning of 9/11. He isn’t on the record as having given any orders that morning. In fact, he didn’t even go to the White House situation room; he had to walk to the window of his office in the Pentagon to see that the country’s military headquarters was in flames.

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For literally years, I've been questioning why NORAD behaved completely contrary to what everyone who'd been associated with it for the previous 50 years would have expected in a situation like this. Yes, the media reported NORAD never trained for this scenario, but others tell me NORAD trains for UFO landings (and was not attempting to be making a joke). That they train for every conceivable situation. But what was the other explanation, then?

The explanation is that Rumsfeld changed the procedures so that fighter launches went through him. And ONLY HIM. Meaning that when Cheney tried to relay Bush's orders to get fighters in the air (btw: I don't easily buy the 'technical problems' stuff - it really sounds like Cheney simply tried to take over the chain of command with Bush's highly misguided blessing), they were either not believed, or blatantly disobeyed because they did not come from either the President, or Rumsfeld himself.

[Kagemusha]

1. Okay.. just so no one's confused, the commentary is mine

It's part of my GD thread on this.

I see Atrios has picked up on it *just now*. Me? I just got lucky and saw it on a Salon forum thread that was linked to in the wee morning by a DU'er and it was still fresh in my mind when I woke up after 6 hours' rest.

And someone figured this was breaking news and that's A-OK with me. Just wanted to clear things up

[seemslikeadream]

2. Very very sorry Kagemusha

When I read your post I just wanted to get the info here. Should have checked my post better and given you credit for it. Please forgive me. This is important thanks for posting it.

[Kagemusha]

7. Seriously, not a problem. It's important stuff.

Hope lots more people see this before the day's done.

[radwriter0555]

3. rather like when bush senior took over the chain of command from reagan..

like reagan was useless and bush wanted total control.

The boy king as a puppet.

[Beetwasher]

4. LIHOP or Worse

W/ every new revelation, every new layer that gets peeled away it only gets worse. Rummy changed the fucking procedure for no damn GOOD reason. It's almost becoming undeniable now.

[dansolo]

15. Arrogance and incompetence will also explain it

While I am a believer of LIHOP, I am willing to believe that Rumsfeld took over control of the procedure purely because of his arrogant god-complex, where he feels like he should be in control of everything. He probably never conceived of being out-of-the-loop. It is a much harder sell to convince people of LIHOP, but the facts clearly show that by taking control, the responsibility for updating procedures fell solely on Rumsfeld, and on that count, he failed miserably. I know that the 9/11 comission is not looking to "place blame", but clearly this is one instance where Rumsfeld is at fault, and he should resign.

[maryallen]

16. If this is the case, then WHY did Rummy ...

Not make himself available to the Pentagon command center for 45 minutes? Even if Rummy was unnerved by the crash, he HAD to remember that a military response was his call, due to HIS change in policy.

Tori Clark, former Pentagon spokesperson, was asked this on CNN yesterday and you should have heard her stutter: It was a deliberate attempt to mislead and confuse.

[Beetwasher]

20. I'm Not Trying To Convince Anyone Of Anything

But this is just another link in a long chain that says at least LIHOP to me...

[KittyWampus]

25. WHY DIDN'T RUMSFELD GET TO SITUATION ROOM?

What the F*CK was he doing helping people out of the Pentagon.

He was the one needed to give the command.

DERELECTION OF DUTY.

Instead of hightailing it to the White House, after seeing the Pentagon attacked, he sticks around?

His job was to protect America's population (millions) which was OBVIOUSLY under attack... not extract a few people from the Pentagon.

Further, how did he manage to be out of reach after the first plane hit WTC?

He wasn't able to be reached? You mean he doesn't carry a cell phone or pager?

[Occulus]

26. I'm not so sure.

The $64,000,000,000 question is: was his inaction intentional?

[ElementaryPenguin]

21. Yet another fucking SMOKING GUN!!!

LIHOP at the very least - MIHOP seems much more likely. The "coincidental" training runs at that time. Chimpy's trip scheduled less that 2 weeks before - Jeb's Sept. 7th national guard order for terrorist attack response...etc., etc.,...is there really much doubt? Didn't the evil Busheviks show their hand in the illegal Iraq war? The U.N. had put fucking weapons inspectors in there - and they were going to be an imminent threat then?? To the world's most powerful nation? Fuck! People now forget that those U.N. inspectors had to evacuate - flee for their lives before they were killed by Rummy/Cheney/Bushler's monstrous Shock & Awe operation!!!

These remorseless murderers are ruthless WAR PROFITEERS - period!! And 9-11 was merely a part (perhaps the most important part) of their war profiteering scheme!

:puke:
:argh:
:mad:

[Occulus]

23. Holy Shit.

So, Rummy put himself in a responsible position, then failed to act responsibly in the moment of truth.

Let's put this in a different context. Suppose I'm the director, of, say, a Savings & Loan. I change the rules so that this or that decision regarding the ultimate disposition of funds is routed through either me or my one, single, direct superior. Then both he and I fail to act when the money starts to disappear from the bank.

Does anyone here know how to spell "culpability?" :)

[Wednesdays]

5. June of '01?

How conveeenient...

[tlcandie]

38. Isn't this when they told asscrack to start taking private jets?

June '01?

[Th1onein]

6. WHY did Rumsfield change the procedure?

WHY? Under what or whose authority was this procedure changed?

This gives me even one MORE reason to think that they knew about it ahead of time and LET it happen.

[Kagemusha]

9. To me there's no difference if it was on purpose or not...

Changing the procedures clearly was a major contributing factor to letting it happen.

I mean, let's forget the WTC for a moment. Proper NORAD procedures would most definitely have protected the Pentagon. They did not. This is unacceptable, yet it has been accepted.

[Mokito]

49. With every revelation the line between LI- & MIHOP gets blurred

I mean, this is no longer just a matter of turning a blind eye here, is it? This is actively and knowingly setting the stage for LIHOP, so that it reaches the desired potential and impact.
It seems * and his cronies left nothing to coincidence, making it to let it happen on purpose (MILIHOP?).

[teryang]

8. Are UA and AMR are finished?

<A Freedom of Information Act request has confirmed that the F.A.A. sent a dozen warnings to the airlines between May and September of 2001. Those 35 pages of alerts are being exempted from public disclosure by a federal statute that covers "information that would be detrimental to the security of transportation if disclosed." Most rational people would say that the non-disclosure of the alerts was what was detrimental to the security of transportation on Sept. 11. >

Or will the government refuse to disclose the information (that is alleged to exist) on the basis of classification and at the same time use it to blame the privately owned government subsidized corporations for lack of response on 911? Apparently, they are going to have their cake and eat it, too.

The assertion that Cheney wasn't in the situation room as flight 77 approached the pentagon is a bold face lie. He was informed of the aircraft's flight path all the way in and declined to give the order to shoot it down.

[johnnie]

10. This is all just so frustrating

It's so hard to believe that people aren't freaking out about all of this. The information that has already come out is only the information the public is allowed to hear, I don't even want to imagine that of which is being suppressed.
I have serious doubts that the truth behind all of this will never surface and some people who should have their asses in prison won't even face a day of questioning.
Oh well, it was just a few thousand people and a good reason to kill thousands more. No biggie.

[Just Me]

11. Meanwhile, in US news, the neocons plead total incompetence!!!

:bounce:

[seemslikeadream]

12. Comments from GD

JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:12 AM
Response to Original message

3. Something else to keep in mind

Not saying that the changes in procedure by Rummy don't sound suspicious and didn't play a role in delaying a response to the hijacked aircraft. However, another factor to be considered in all this (and a factor not addressed by the 9-11 Commission) were the various war games and exercises simulating hijackings taking place even as the real hijackings were occurring. These exercises caused NORAD resources to be diverted for the purposes of participating in the war games and also probably caused some confusion in identifying the real hijackings vs the simulated hijackings.

One war game scenario apparently involved a simulated air attack from Russia and allegedly caused fighter resources to be diverted north to Canada. Something of a coincidence, I guess, that Saddam's men just happened to plan their hijackings on the same day the US defenses were tied up in war gaming some of the very scenarios that the hijackers were implementing. Oh well, just more fodder for the coincidence theorists among us.


“I have an on-the-record statement from someone in NORAD that on the day of 9/11 The Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard B. Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack Field Training Exercise (FTX) which involved at least one (and almost certainly many more) aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner”.
Mike Ruppert – June 5, 2004, editor of FTW www.fromthewilderness.com

On September 11, 2001, Richard B. Meyers, the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has thus far claimed he was in a meeting with Senator Max Cleland, and was “unaware” of the ongoing 9/11 attacks until after the Pentagon was struck.

<snip>

On September 11, 2001, the Air Force was in its second day of annual wargame drills, titled VIGILANT GUARDIAN, designed to test national air response systems, which incidentally involved hijacking scenarios. In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated...

<snip>

It is possible that Phillip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, has classified certain wargames running on 9/11 so the Commission can’t address them publicly. The fact that the war games are open source, having been reported in mainstream publications including the Associated Press, UPI, and Aviation Weekly Magazine would make such a classification part & parcel to a cover-up. Hopefully the Commission will address, in public hearing, the impact these wargames apparently had on the NORAD response on 9/11.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387

Also check out this DU thread started by Minstrel Boy.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=...


Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #3

6. Those War Games Would Have Been Perfect Cover


It tied up necessary assets and it also gives them the "Would we be so stupid to be running these exercises and simulations of terror attacks on 9/11 if we planned 9/11?" cover story.


G_j (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #3

10. no doubt just a slip of course,

but a correction, it was not "Saddam's men" who attacked the US. Actually I don't think we have any idea whose 'men' they were, though no doubt somebody knows.

www.FireRumsfeld.org www.costofwar.com


nostamj (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #3

11. did you hear the hearing yesterday?

someone (probably from the families) was interrupting Gorelick (sp?) yelling out "Ask about the war games!"

he was shut down. I don't think any questions were asked.

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Cheswick (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:24 AM
Response to Original message

4. This is what Rummy says about it

Edited on Fri Jun-18-04 08:30 AM by Cheswick
Mr. Rumsfeld claimed at a previous commission hearing that protection against attack inside the homeland was not his responsibility. It was, he said, "a law-enforcement issue."

Why, in that case, did he take onto himself the responsibility of approving NORAD’s deployment of fighter planes?

This has LIHOP written all over it.
First in august Bush gets warning that Bin Laden is going to hijack planes and pilot them into buildings. Then they start warning people not to fly commercially. Then we have the put options placed and someone makes a huge profit off of predicting very bad business to AA and United.
Then Rummy says that only he can oder NORAD planes to be deployed. Then he is out of touch during a disaster. Then later he says it was not his job.
If this is LIHOP what the hell is it?

Dean for VP...Healthcare for the Nation (and we get Judy too)


Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:26 AM
Response to Original message

5. LIHOP

or worse. Instead of being assuaged, my suspicion only get deeper and deeper w/ each new revelation and layer that is peeled away...

Cheswick (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #5

8. yes and now the Putin defense

I wonder if Poppy has offered him a spot on the board of Carlyl.

Dean for VP...Healthcare for the Nation (and we get Judy too)


G_j (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 08:47 AM
Response to Original message

12. Did this come up at all


during the hearings yesterday? I wasn't able to hear all of it.
Too bad the hearings are over because it sounds like Rumsfeld needs to be brought back in for questioning.
Too bad also we have no transcripts of the Bush/Cheney interviews.

www.FireRumsfeld.org www.costofwar.com


Kagemusha (241 posts) Fri Jun-18-04 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #12

13. Rumsfeld has other misleading statements to Congress...


Unfortunately, that UN exemption given to US officials for war crimes committed in the course of the UN-authorized Iraqi occupation amounts to international immunity, so if he's not charged for stuff in the US he won't be charged at all, ever. But, just the same I mean... what kind of pictures does he have, that he was not sacked for this and allowed to run two wars? It baffles me. (and I'm not serious about the pictures, ideology goes further with some people than blackmail.)


motivated (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 09:31 AM
Response to Original message

14. Rumsfeld didn't change NORAD procedure......


He did add the NMCC in the "decision chain", but more significant was the fact the Rumsfeld changed the ROE (Rule of Engagement):

When Clinton's Penis was "destroying the moral fibre of our country" this was the established DOD ROE;

CJCSI 3121.01A
DISTRIBUTION: A, C, S 15 January 2000

b. National Self-Defense. Defense of the United States, US forces, and, in certain circumstances, US nationals and their property, and/or US commercial assets. National self-defense may be exercised in two ways: first, it may be exercised by designated authority extending protection against a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent to US nationals and their property, and/or designated US commercial assets ; second, it may be exercised by designated authority declaring a foreign force or terrorist(s) hostile .

...and....

6. Declaring Forces Hostile. Once a force is declared hostile by appropriate authority, US units need not observe a hostile act or a demonstration of hostile intent before engaging that force. The responsibility for exercising the right and obligation of national selfdefense and as necessary declaring a force hostile is a matter of the utmost importance. All available intelligence, the status of international relationships, the requirements of international law, an appreciation of the political situation, and the potential consequences for the United States must be carefully weighed. The exercise of the right and obligation of national self-defense by competent authority is separate from and in no way limits the commander’s right and obligation to exercise unit self-defense. The authority to declare a force hostile is limited as amplified in Appendix A of this Enclosure.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/dod/docs/cjcs_sroe.pdf

In June of 2001 the DOD changed things at bit and CANCELLED CJCSI 3121.01A which is linked above. How was it changed? Here....

a. Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) of Civil and Military Aircraft. Pursuant to references a and b, the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), has exclusive responsibility to direct law enforcement activity related to actual or attempted aircraft piracy (hijacking) in the “special aircraft jurisdiction” of the United States. When requested by the Administrator, Department of Defense will provide assistance to these law enforcement efforts. Pursuant to reference c, the NMCC is the focal point within Department of Defense for providing assistance. In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. DOD assistance to the FAA will be provided in accordance with reference d. Additional guidance is provided in Enclosure A.

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Basically, Rumsfeld turned over our National Defense to local "law enforcement".

Until I read an "official" transcript of bush* giving Cheney the authorization to use Military aircraft I call it bullshit. The procedure in place would have Rumsfeld giving that order. Assuming of course that the FAA contacted the NMCC (National Military Command Center), and the NMCC then, in turn, contacted Rumsfeld.

[eek]

13. Where does Barbara Olsen's phone call fit?

I'm not getting all this stuff as fine-toothed as so may of you are.

As I was listening to All Things (used to be) Considered last night and hearing the FCC/Norad timeline stuff I wondered about when Barbara Olsen's call to ted fit in.

Seems to me that came well before alotta the air traffic control stuff, the "invisible to conventional radar" , the "shoot down the plane that no longer exists" and so on.

And yet another cel phone that worked better than aWol's, to boot!

[seemslikeadream]

14. "know a hawk from a handsaw"

Thanks for the reminder I was looking for this thread. Strange coincidences.

"know a hawk from a handsaw"


Octafish and emad aisat sana, this is the most consequential thread on DU and I have to find it on page four. I hope you will continue to post.

I am just starting to read the offical "1992 Congressional Record Documents" of Henry B. Gonzalez, his longstanding investigations into a range of related dealings which included BCCI, Banco Nazionale Lavoro (BNL), Iraqgate, illicit arms dealings, and especially attempts by the Bush government to block his investigations.

The Rostow Gang

Mr. Gonzalez. Mr. Speaker, today I will provide an update on the Rostow gang which will reveal that President Bush, his legal advisor, Boyden Gray, and National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, were all directly involved in the efforts to thwart the congressional investigation of the Iraq policy. I will also detail some of the more prominent exmples of why the President is continuing to thwart the Banking Committee's inquiry of the Banca Nazionale del Lvoro. These include new evidence that shows that 2 days prior to winning approval for a $1 billion fiscal year 1990 Commodity Credit Corportation program for Iraq-- those are taxpayer-guaranteed programs--the National Security Council and the State Department received a detailed secret CIA report on BNL indicating that BNL loans were used to fund Iraq's clandestine missle and nuclear weapons procurement program.

...The meeting was chaired by Nick Rostow, the individual referred to, the General Counsel to the NSC. Mr. Rostow's previous experience includes playing a key role in the White House efforts to cover up the Iran-Contra scandal and to obstruct a 1988 GAO invesitigation of then Vice-President Bysh's ties to Panamanian leader and drug lord, one Gen Manuel Noriega. Also at the meeting were President Bush's General Council, Boyden Gray, and the top lawyers for the Department of Justice, Defence, State, Treasury, Commerce, Agriculture, Energy and the CIA. Each of the agencies had received requsts for information from the Congress, and these lawyers were responsible for overseeing the collection and submission of the information. That is where I referred to this high-level legal team as the 'Rostow gang.'
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1992/h920707g.htm

There's just so much (sigh)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=610051

[eek]

17. if she had really called him

mightn't someone in his position had a dirsect line to, oh, the president (or bush? ha)?

Mightn't Ted have been getting NORAD or FCC or Asscrack or Rummy or someone on the line PD f'n Q?

Barbara Olsen's call was pretty detailed hijackers, one Stew killed,people herded to back of plane, boxcutters etc - where has that testimony fit in the 9-11 Commsion's report?

Feh.

[frylock]

27. fyi.. barbara's was the ONLY outgoing call from that flight..

the only one.

[DulceDecorum]

44. CNN now claims another Flight 77 call.

Friday, May 28, 2004
The government would not disclose and did not reveal in its letters to families what recordings will be played.
But the independent September 11 commission in a January staff statement highlighted 11 -- not a complete list -- calls from the planes to people on the ground:

On American Airlines Flight 11, the plane that crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 81 passengers and 11 crew onboard, flight attendants Betty "Bee" Ong and Madeline "Amy" Sweeney made calls.

On United Airlines Flight 175, which crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center with 56 passengers and nine crew onboard, flight attendant Robert Fangman and passengers Peter Hanson and Brian Sweeney made calls.

On American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon with 53 passengers and six crew onboard, flight attendant Rene May and passenger Barbara Olson, wife of Solicitor General Ted Olson, made calls.

On United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Shanskville, Pennsylvania, with 33 passengers and seven crew onboard, flight attendants Ceecee Lyles and Sandy Bradshaw, and passengers Todd Beamer and Jeremy Glick made calls.

The commission played an excerpt of one of these calls -- from Ong's taped 23-minute call to an airline reservation center -- but it was unclear whether the four other flight attendant calls, or any passenger calls, were preserved on recordings.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/28/911.calls/

I have said it before and I will say it again.
The September 11 story changes more often
than a chameleon walking across plaid.

[Just Me]

19. Details about who was involved in planning the "war games",...

,...and scheduling them would further define this wicked web of deceit. Yes, Meyers was a part of all that,...but, tie in the usual neocon suspects (Rummy, Wolfie, Cambone, Cheney, Perle & the lot) and BINGO they got exactly what they wanted: another Pearle Harbor. They even stated in writing that their PNAC would require such an event to get their imperialistic ball of wacko rollin'.

[Pastiche423]

24. Was that question asked?

Who scheduled the war games and when were they scheduled? That seems to me to be a very pertinent question.

Are the members of the investigation committee stupid, or were they given a specific outline of questions to ask?

What I would like to see, is the list of questions asked at unansweredquestions.org compared to the questions asked during the investigation.

[DulceDecorum]

45. White Hse connected to the National Military Command Center

The National Transportation and Safety Board auditorium had been quiet until an individual stood up and repeatedly questioned why the Commission was not addressing the issue of 9-11 war games--specifically Operation Vigilant Guardian--wherein fighters were already in the air during the attacks, some just minutes away from New York City. The legitimate questions were ignored and the petitioner was removed by secret service and FBI agents.
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

On September 11, at least five different "war games" were being conducted by the military and intelligence agencies that simulated 9/11 type events which paralyzed the air defenses, apparently ensuring the success of the "attacks." The British Navy was conducting exercises in the Indian ocean. A biowar exercise was also about to start in New York City. Who has the power to coordinate all of these exercises? Dick Cheney and the White House.
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

Real touchy subject.

[Vitruvius]

34. Sending loyal troops far away on "drills" is part of how theCIA rigs COUPS

in the third world. Send the loyal troops far away on "drills", move your hand-picked units into the capital to do the dirty work & install the dictator.

In this case -- presumably -- the bulk of the USAF was tied up in drills so bin Laden's hijackers could do their dirty work on the WTC and the Pentagon.

It's very possible. And it's right out of the CIA/BFEE playbook. As is changing procedures to hinder any effective response (e.g. require any response to go thru a bureaucrat -- like Rumsfeld -- then make sure the bureaucrat is 'unavailable').


For more information on the mechanics of coups, see Edward Luttwak's excellent book 'Coup d'Etat'. Much of the information is directly applicable to 9/11; in a coup, the CIA disables the bulk of the target country's military, while their relatively small force targets the presidential palace; in LIHOP/MIHOP, the BFEE presumably took steps to disable the bulk of the relevant military so a relatively small strike force could target the WTC and Pentagon.


Finally, if the 4th plane that went down in PA had wiped out Congress, Bu$h would be absolute dictator today. If Congress was indeed the target (as many media reports have suggested), 9/11 was a failed coup; the WTC and Pentagon being distractions while Congress was the principal target; a strike at Congress alone -- with Bu$h-the-unelected as beneficiary would have aroused far-too-much public suspicion, anger, and resistance. But wiping out Congress as one-of-many terror strikes would have probably been accepted...

I wonder if the likes of Tom DeLay will ever figure out that backing Bu$h is dangerous to their health?

[seemslikeadream]

36. I wonder if I may quote you on this?

I would like to repeat it as often as I can.


Should we wrap some yellow tape around this crime sceen?

And now I'm going to translate this


La crainte d'un coup d'État
Pourtant les faits sont têtus : quels que soient les auteurs de ces attentats et les buts qu'ils poursuivent, ils connaissaient les codes secrets de la Maison-Blanche et d'Air Force One permettant d'authentifier les ordres présidentiels. Ils l'ont fait savoir par téléphone au Secret Service chargé de la protection présidentielle (cf. White House Said Targeted, The Washington Post, 12 septembre, et Aides Say Bush Was One Target of Hijacked Jet, The New York Times, 13 septembre, voir aussi Zones d'ombre sur le ciel de Manhattan sur Amnistia.net). Cet appel, dont le contenu reste secret, ne visait pas à revendiquer la responsabilité des événements, mais à poser un ultimatum, à forcer la main au président des États-Unis. Pendant une dizaine d'heures, le président Bush a été contraint de fuir Washington et de se rendre personnellement à l'US Strategic Command (Offutt, Nebraska), à la fois pour prendre le contrôle direct des armées (ce qu'il aurait pu faire depuis Washington) et surtout pour que personne ne puisse usurper son identité et déclencher le feu nucléaire. Pendant ce temps, des tireurs d'élite et des roquettes sol-air furent déployés aux alentours de la Maison-Blanche pour empêcher un assaut par des commandos aéroportés. La Maison-Blanche et le Capitole, siège des institutions démocratiques furent immédiatement évacués.

C'est le propre des empires maintenus par la force que de craindre les coups d'État militaires. Pourtant cette dimension n'est pas intégrée dans notre représentation de l'Amérique. Quoi qu'il en soit, nous avons cherché quelles pouvaient être les factions susceptibles d'inquiéter le président Bush. Nous présentons dans cette livraison une étude sur les Special Forces Underground (Forces spéciales clandestines), un réseau terroriste qui s'est développé au sein du stay-behind et qui entretient des relations entre autres avec Ben Laden. Ce réseau n'en est pas à son premier coup contre l'État fédéral puisqu'il est impliqué aussi bien dans l'assassinat du président John F. Kennedy que dans l'attentat terroriste d'Oklahoma City. Il est bien connu de la famille Bush et du milieu des pétroliers texans qui l'ont soutenu financièrement par le passé et ont eu recours à ses services.

On observera d'ailleurs qu'au lendemain du 11 septembre, aucun des dirigeants des quarante agences de renseignement US n'a été sanctionné malgré la faillite patente des services. Au contraire, une batterie de nominations et de mutations a été annoncée à l'état-major. Aucun officier supérieur n'a été arrêté pour trahison au profit des Islamistes ou conjuration avec eux, mais un compromis a été trouvé : ils voulaient un nouvel ennemi, ils voulaient leur guerre : ils l'auront. Et dans cette guerre, les agents d'hier seront les cibles de demain.

Ces mécanismes n'ont pas échappé à l'agence Reuters : si celle-ci n'a pas relaté les conflits internes de l'appareil militaire US, elle a décidé de ne plus employer dans ses dépêches le mot " terroriste " pour désigner les frappes et leurs auteurs. Car ce mot induit à tort l'idée que ces auteurs et commanditaires seraient tous extérieurs à l'État.

more
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/article7608.html

The fear of a state blow Nevertheless do them are stubborn: whatever the authors of these attempts and the goals that they follow, they knew the secret codes of the White House and of air Forces One allowing authenticating the presidential orders. They made known it by telephones the Secret loaded Service of the presidential protection (cf. White House Said Targeted, The Washington Post, September 12, and Help Say Bush Was One Target of Hijacked Throw, The New York Times, September 13, see also shadow Zones on the Manhattan sky on Amnistia.net). This call, of which it contained secret remainder, did not aim to claim the responsibility of the events, but to put an ultimatum, to force the hand to the president of the united States. During about ten hours, president Bush was constrained to flee Washington and to go personal to the us Strategic Command (Offutt, Nebraska), at once to take the direct check of the armies (this that it could have done since Washington) and especially for that person cannot usurp his identity and release the nuclear fire. During this time, marksmen of elite and roquettes ground air were deployed to the surroundings of the White House to prevent an assault by airborne commando units. The White House and the Capitole, sit democratic institutions immediately were evacuated.

This is the clean one empires maintained by the force that to fear the blows military states. Nevertheless this dimension is not integrated in our representation of america. Although it in be, we looked for which could be the likely factions to worry president Bush. We present in this delivery a study on the Special Force Underground (clandestine special Forces), a terrorist network that developed within the stay-behind and that maintains relations between other with Bin Laden. This network not some is at his first blow against the federal state since it is implied just as well in the assassination of the president John F. Kennedy as in the terrorist attempt of oklahoma City. It well knew family Bush and environment of the oil Texan one that the supported financially by the passed and had recourse to its services.

One will observe besides that to the day following September 11, none of the leaders of the forty piece of information agencies US was not punished despite the obvious bankruptcy of the services. To the opposite, a battery of nominations and of mutations was announced to the état-major. No superior officer was not stopped for treason to the profit of the Islamic or conspiracy with them, but a compromise was found: they wanted a new enemy, they wanted their war: they will have it. And in this war, the agents of yesterday will be the targets of tomorrow.

These mechanisms did not escape the agency Reuters: if this one did not relate the internal conflicts of the military device US, she decided of not more to employ in its dispatch the word " terrorist " to designate the strikes and their authors. For this word induces to wrong the idea that these authors and backers would be all exterior ones to the state.

[seemslikeadream]

37. just some interesting reading - more from that link

La mondialisation de l'information
Manichéisme
Les frappes du World Trade Center de New York et du Pentagone et leurs conséquences ont été suivies en direct, non seulement par les Américains, mais par une bonne partie des téléspectateurs occidentaux. Nous pouvons vérifier ce qu'est la mondialisation de l'information dans des sociétés démocratiques : toutes les informations sont disponibles en temps réel, nous pouvons tous en prendre connaissance, et pourtant nous ne voyons pas du tout la même chose.

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27 septembre 2001



En fait, l'information est devenue un vacarme continu dans lequel le citoyen ne perçoit plus rien distinctement, hormis une vision univoque qu'on lui impose à l'échelle nationale. Ainsi est-il étonnant de constater que des informations indispensables à la compréhension, ressassées par le Washington Post et le New York Times, ne sont pas mentionnées par la presse française. Tandis que nos " experts ", venus nous dire sur France-Télévision ce que nous devons penser des événements, ne sont pas invités à s'exprimer dans la presse anglo-saxonne.

Plus nous voyons et revoyons les images spectaculaires de ces avions kamikazes s'encastrant dans les tours de Manhattan, moins nous comprenons leur signification. Plus nous communions avec la douleur des victimes, moins nous relativisons le désordre du monde. La représentation que nous nous faisons des événements est le fruit de cette répétition permanente des images du choc des avions sur les tours, du commentaire qui les accompagne, des sous-titres et des surtitres : " Les attentats terroristes ".

Nous avons retracé pour nos lecteurs la chronologie exacte du 11 septembre. Chacun constatera que, de 10 heures à 20 heures approximativement, les officiels américains ne pensaient pas que ces frappes étaient le fruit de groupes terroristes moyen-orientaux, mais qu'ils manifestaient une tentative de coup d'État militaire par des extrémistes américains capables de provoquer la guerre nucléaire. Cette hypothèse était sérieusement étayée. Elle est oubliée aujourd'hui parce que l'exposer pourrait nuire au moral du peuple américain et inhiber l'engagement des alliés dans la guerre à venir.

The globalization of information Manichéisme hit with Them the New York World Trade Center and Pentagon and their consequences were followed in direct, not only by the Americans, but by a good party of the western viewers. We can verify this that the globalization of the information in democratic corporations: all the news are available in real time, we can all some to take knowledge, and nevertheless we not at all see the same thing.

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September 27 2001

Indeed, information became a continuous vacarme in which the citizen does not perceive anymore nothing distinctly, except a vision univoque than one imposes on him the national ladder. Thus is it astonishing to note that of essential the news to the comprehension, dwelled on by the Washington Post and the New York Times, are not mentioned by the French press. While our " experts ", come to say us on France Television this that we must think about the events, are not invited to express itself in the press anglo-saxonne.

More see us and review the spectacular pictures of these airplanes kamikazes sinking itself in the Manhattan turns, less we understand their meaning. More we communions with the pain of the victims, less we put into perspective the disorder of the world. Representation that we are done events is the fruit of this permanent repetition of the pictures of the shock of the airplanes on the turns, commentary that the accompanies, subtitles and surtitres: " The terrorist attempts ".

We redrew for our readers exact chronology of September 11. Each will note that, of 10 hours at 20 o'clock approximately, the official Americans did not think that these strikes were the fruit of terrorist eastern average groups, but that they showed a blow attempt of military state by extremist Americans able to provoke the nuclear war. This hypothesis seriously was supported. She is forgotten today because to expose it could harm the morale of the American people and inhibit the engagement of the allies in the war to come.

[Vitruvius]

40. By all means.

We're all in this together. No attribution necessary. Your posts are always interesting -- and thanks for starting this thread.

[seemslikeadream]

39. Rookie In Command Of National Mil. Command Ops Center On 9/11

Tom Flocco: Rookie In Command Of National Mil. Command Ops Center On 9/11

Nat. Military Command Center ops director asked newly-qualified substitute on Sept. 10 to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11

by UnansweredQuestions.Org Co-Founder Tom Flocco

For Full Story See…
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

WASHINGTON -- June 17, 2004 Posted 11:45 pm -- Tom Flocco.com -- According to the personal written statement of Navy Captain Charles J. Leidig, Jr., entered into the record during today’s hearings before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Leidig revealed that on September 10 he was asked by Brigadier General Montague Winfield to stand a portion of his duty as Deputy Director for Operations for the National Military Command Center (NMCC), which would require supervision and operation of all necessary communications as watch commander.

…. Snip…

The National Transportation and Safety Board auditorium had been quiet until an individual stood up and repeatedly questioned why the Commission was not addressing the issue of 9-11 war games--specifically Operation Vigilant Guardian--wherein fighters were already in the air during the attacks, some just minutes away from New York City. The legitimate questions were ignored and the petitioner was removed by secret service and FBI agents.

Commissioner John Lehman offered that while Air Force Generals Richard Meyers, Ralph Eberhart and Larry Arnold (Ret.) had been questioned, no one had asked any questions of the "only sailor in the group," Captain Leidig.

Lehman asked Leidig about the controlled phone bridges or conferences held during the attacks, which the Captain confirmed were classified and secure phone lines while also indicating that "the President can be included" in such teleconferences.

… Snip ….

Immediately at the close of testimony by Myers, Eberhart, Arnold and Leidig, this writer quickly walked to the head table to individually question Leidig before his aides could escort him from the auditorium. The Air Force generals had left quickly.

When asked "Can you tell me the approximate time when you commenced your supervision of the phone bridges," Leidig told TomFlocco.com, "You’ll have to look in the records and Commission staff statements. I can’t recall the time."

… Snip ….

All of which raises questions regarding why the experienced Winfield left his watch after the attacks had begun, what prompted Winfield to request Leidig to assume his watch the next morning, why Winfield chose 8:30 am to have Leidig relieve him, why the Commission never addressed these issues, and whether Winfield had access to intelligence from the CIA and FBI which foretold a "spectacular attack, designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning." (CIA Intelligence Report for White House, July 5, 2001--60+ days prior to 9-11, Newsweek, 5-1-2003 / The Hill, 5-1-2003)

… Snip ….

For Full Story See…
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65


althecat

Rear Admiral (Select) Charles J. Leidig, Jr. - Biography and picture




Rear Admiral (Select) Charles J. Leidig, Jr.
United States Navy
Commandant of Midshipmen
United States Naval Academy


http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/people/flags/biographies/leidigcj....

Rear Admiral (Select) Leidig became the 80th Commandant of Midshipmen in September 2003. He graduated with distinction from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1978 with a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics.
His operational tours include service in both attack and ballistic missile submarines. He served as Reactor Controls Assistant and Communications Officer on USS Henry L. Stimson (SSBN 655), as Engineer Officer on USS Sam Rayburn (SSBN 635), as Navigation and Operations Officer on USS Stonewall Jackson (SSBN 634), and as Executive Officer on USS Pogy (SSN 647).

His command tours include service as Commanding Officer of USS Cavalla (SSN 684) from 1994-1997, where he led the Navy’s first unclassified science mission to the Arctic Ocean, and twice deployed to the western Pacific. Under his command Cavalla set the Pacific Fleet endurance record of 63 consecutive days of Arctic under-ice operations, earned two Meritorious Unit Commendations and in 1996 was awarded the Navy Battle Efficiency ‘E’, Engineering Excellence ‘E’, and Tactical Operations Excellence ‘T’. He subsequently served as Commander, Submarine Development Squadron Five from 1999-2001 where he was the operational commander for the Navy’s Deep Submergence Program and the Tactical Development Authority for the Submarine Force’s off-hull sensors, Arctic warfare and submarine rescue and escape programs.

Rear Adm. (Sel.) Leidig’s staff assignments include service as an instructor at the U.S. Naval Academy, as Material Officer on the staff of Submarine Squadron Eleven, as Senior Member of the Nuclear Propulsion Examining Board for Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Atlantic Fleet and on the Joint Staff as Assistant Deputy Director for Regional Operations in the Operations Directorate and as Executive Assistant to the Director of the Joint Staff. He served as the Deputy Commandant of Midshipmen from June to September 2003.

Rear Adm. (Sel.) Leidig received the David Lloyd Leadership Award and the L.Y. Spear Award upon completion of the Submarine Officer Advanced Course in 1985. He earned a Master's Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies from the Naval War College, graduating with distinction in 1994, and subsequently completed the National Security Management Program at the Syracuse University Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs in 2001.

Rear Adm. (Sel.) Leidig has been awarded the Defense Superior Service Medal, the Legion of Merit (two awards), the Meritorious Service Medal (two awards), the Joint Service Commendation Medal, the Navy Commendation Medal (four awards), and the Navy Achievement Medal along with other unit and service awards.

Effective: 19 April 2

loudsue

And once again, DUers get to read about what was really going on


while the rest of America is kept in the dark as to how insidiously connected are all of the dots.

I could just SCREAM when I see how the 9/11 commission has wasted taxpayer dollars on this cover-up. SOOOOO many heads need to roll on this, but instead, free-passes are being printed faster than paper money at the Fed.

Thanks for posting this, Althecat. Once again, you're on top of it!


donhakman
This reads like "Seven days in May"


donhakman

General Winfield got a promotion...

EXECUTIVE SESSION -- (Senate - April 29, 2004)


GPO's PDF
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EXECUTIVE CALENDAR

Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate immediately proceed to executive session to consider the following nominations on today's Executive Calendar: Calendar Nos. 644 through 653, and all nominations on the Secretary's desk.

For the information of Senators, these are military nominations and Foreign Service officers.

I further ask unanimous consent that the nominations be confirmed, the motions to reconsider be laid upon the table, the President be immediately notified of the Senate's action, and the Senate then return to legislative session.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


...................................................


He also directed the war college and Haiti affairs.
http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/CommandStaff.htm


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1810695

[seemslikeadream]

42. "What goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes."

So says former German Cabinet Minister Andreas von Buelow.


Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--

Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--

Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: "It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves."

Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.

...

Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work.

Von Buelow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html

[seemslikeadream]

48. Who has the power to coordinate all of these exercises

White Hse connected to the National Military Command Center


The National Transportation and Safety Board auditorium had been quiet until an individual stood up and repeatedly questioned why the Commission was not addressing the issue of 9-11 war games--specifically Operation Vigilant Guardian--wherein fighters were already in the air during the attacks, some just minutes away from New York City. The legitimate questions were ignored and the petitioner was removed by secret service and FBI agents.
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

On September 11, at least five different "war games" were being conducted by the military and intelligence agencies that simulated 9/11 type events which paralyzed the air defenses, apparently ensuring the success of the "attacks." The British Navy was conducting exercises in the Indian ocean. A biowar exercise was also about to start in New York City. Who has the power to coordinate all of these exercises? Dick Cheney and the White House.
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

[daleo]

18. How did the country survive the cold war?

The president's communications equipment doesn't work, because he is all the way down in Florida that morning.

The Secretary of Defense is "out of the loop" because he is all the way over at the Pentagon that morning.

Could things really be this bad? ICBMs were targeted at North America for over 40 years, that could wipe out hundreds of millions in half an hour. Given that history, does anyone really believe that control and communications with the President and Secretary of Defense were that shoddy?

[goforit]

22. Seemslike a dream?.....You give those boys too much credit.

This is clear evidence that 911 was a premeditated plan
of action. To purposely change this right before 911, is no
coincidence.(in addition to the other 1000 coincidences)

And the article says that press says that NORAD never trained for these situations is bullsh*&%.
They trained for these situations ever since Clinton was in office!!!

This IS no LIHOP!!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

28. For me, this is fucking IT!!!!!!!

Incredible that the mainstream hasn't brought this to light!! Evidently, our mainstream media approves of our government murdering 3,000 American citizens - or allowing it to happen!!

:puke:

[Gloria]

29. A BIG KICK!~!!!!

eom

[jus_the_facts]

30. I saw a clip on the news last night....the guy speakin' to the commission

....yesterday about the NORAD EXCUSES...he was tryin' to imply that because the transponders on the planes had been turned off...they couldn't track them....THAT'S A LOAD OF SHIT...they can track a flock of BIRDS with the RADAR they've got at NORAD....CAN'T THEY?! :eyes:

[JPZenger]

31. Article Starts Slow, But Please Read It

There are many things in this article you will not read anywhere else.

[seemslikeadream]

32. feel perforations in their hearts

The families of the vanished bodies and unsettled souls of 9/11 are still waiting to have the dots connected. Until that happens, many continue to feel perforations in their hearts that even time will not heal.


WATCH THIS VIDEO


EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES
MORE TERRORISTS
MORE DANGER
MORE DEATH
AND REMEMBER...
HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...
BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE
IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE


http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html


Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!

Langston Hughes

[seemslikeadream]

33. you will not read anywhere else.

"I’d been with American for 29 years," Ms. Dillard said with embittered pride. "My job was supervision over all the flight attendants who flew out of National, Baltimore or Dulles. In the summer of 2001, we had absolutely no warnings about any threats of hijackings or terrorism, from the airline or from the F.A.A."


A Freedom of Information Act request has confirmed that the F.A.A. sent a dozen warnings to the airlines between May and September of 2001. Those 35 pages of alerts are being exempted from public disclosure by a federal statute that covers "information that would be detrimental to the security of transportation if disclosed." Most rational people would say that the non-disclosure of the alerts was what was detrimental to the security of transportation on Sept. 11.

Some of the relatives are keen to find out why, at the peak of this struggle, the tape suddenly stops recording voices and all that is heard in the last 60 seconds or so is engine noise. Had the tape been tampered with? When I put their question to Mr. Novak, the lead prosecutor on Flight 93, he said curtly, "I’m not going to comment on that, and neither should have they. They violated that nondisclosure agreement by telling you the contents of that cockpit voice recorder."

"One of the things that upset me was that they knew, 45 minutes before , that American Airlines had a problem. I put the story together myself ," Mr. Ballinger said. "Perhaps if I had the information sooner, I might have gotten the message to 93 to bar the door."

[ElementaryPenguin]

35. The whole enchilada, right here, folks!

Er, uh...it's nothing, I mean. Move along, folks, nothing to see here. Nothing at all.

:hurts:

[goforit]

41. And our beloved Congress will choose to twiddle their thumbs.....

See no evil , hear no evil, speak no evil!!!

Keep playing hide and seek boys!!!

[Lostnote03]

43. OJ Media vs/ 911 Media Coverage..

..........disgusting dichotomy.....

[DulceDecorum]

46. But we did get a beheading today

to distract us from all this.

And everyone dutifully issued a statement condemning al qaeda.
Remember them?
Or has Osama bin totally forgotten?
Him and his Citibank ID theft hijackers?

[seemslikeadream]

47. Yep there was one of those mercenary beheadin's today

distracted alot of people around here