Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness

[seemslikeadream]

Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness
Jeanne Lenzer
New York


A sweeping mental health initiative will be unveiled by President George W Bush in July. The plan promises to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing "services in the community, rather than institutions," according to a March 2004 progress report entitled New Freedom Initiative (www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html). While some praise the plan's goals, others say it protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of the public.

Bush established the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health in April 2002 to conduct a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system." The commission issued its recommendations in July 2003. Bush instructed more than 25 federal agencies to develop an implementation plan based on those recommendations.

The president's commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children. According to the commission, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviours and emotional disorders." Schools, wrote the commission, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.

The commission also recommended "Linkage with treatment and supports" including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions." The commission commended the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."

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http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458

Thanks so much to OneBlueSky in GD for posting this

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. Perhaps he should volunteer to be the first one tested....

And release the findings to the public.

[mia]

82. maybe this is the test

AUDIT: Alcohol Use Disorders Identification Test

http://www.dianexus.org:8080/index.jsp


Lot's of 'interesting' tests here.
Be aware. Most people, if they're honest, will see themselves in some of the questions, especially in this test:
SCID II (v. 2.0) - Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV

:grouphug:

[Seabiscuit]

99. Sounds like a real - life case of...

the loonies taking over the loony bin.

:silly:

[Richard D]

2. Wow

This is scary.

[Richard D]

3. Wow

This is scary.

[Beaverhausen]

5. You can say that again.

:crazy:

[seemslikeadream]

28. OK I will THIS IS SCARY American Psycho

[Just Me]

35. OF COURSE,...all political officials MUST be subjected to testing,...

,...the most thorough testing BEFORE they are allowed to even run for office.

Whaddya' think?!?!?!?!? :bounce:

<on edit - ALL appointees must be subjected to the same thorough testing!!!!>

[mia]

86. absolutely!

:thumbsup:

[bahrbearian]

4. They managed to slip into the W.H.

"despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed"

[soothsayer]

6. They should start with him

He's nutty, as are his cronies.

[Jim Sagle]

7. Pot. Kettle. Black.

[74dodgedart]

8. You will be assimilated...

Something about the "Texas Medication Algorithm Project" that sounds a little creepy..

[TankLV]

79. Sounds like a band from the 60's

nt

[montana_hazeleyes]

123. lol

!

[tridim]

9. "specific medications for specific conditions"

Cha-ching!! Meds for everyone! and his base makes (more) bank.

I wonder if "Liberalism" and "homesexuality" will be defined as a mental illness under his plan?

[Don_G]

58. Of Course

Remember Eli Lilly contributed $1.6 million to his 2000 campaign?

This is just another payback for the Drug Industry to boost their sales of Prozac and other mind-numbing drugs.

[lostnfound]

94. And paranoia and suspicious ideas...

UFB.

[laylah]

10. And he'll be the first one

screened, right? What an asshat! "The New Freedom Commission"??? GAWD, I hate that dumbass! :mad:

Jenn

[Pale_Rider]

11. The Reagan legacy lives on ...

... since Reagan emptied the mental institutions in California as Governor. He wanted the mentally ill integrated into the community. Instead the ranks of the homeless swelled.

[daa]

22. That was a democrat innitiative

they did the same thing in Ohio in the 60s. Grand failed experiment - but this one isn't the Gippers's fault.

[TankLV]

81. Just because you say so, doesn't make it true.

SURE I believe you!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[daa]

121. Is that right?

Hey ass munch, I worked at the state mental hospital in Athens and saw it happen.

[Art_from_Ark]

91. If they did it in Ohio in the '60s, then

it was probably under the watchful eye of James "Sic the National Guard on Unarmed Students" Rhodes (R; 1963-71)

[havocmom]

108. The 'Gipper' slashed $ to the State Hospitals in CA and the State U

so he could lower state expenses and cut taxes. Then counties had to raise property taxes to provide services the state didn't any more. That WAS the gipper's fault. He used 'deinstitutionalism' as a cloak for gutting services.

[notadmblnd]

49. I'm sure the homeless will be rounded up

and "provided" for. Looks like they'll be opening up those "camps" sooner rather than later.

[leesa]

101. Not to mention crime. This is a Reagan coattail move

One of the most devastating things Reagan did domestically.

[burrowowl]

12. A work for cure program?

and drugging the population. Who profits?

The commission also recommended "Linkage with treatment and supports" including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions." The commission commended the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."

[asjr]

23. I wonder if he will put out an APB

for Dr. Mengele to run the operation?

[KittyWampus]

85. Better CONSUMER Outcomes????

screening CONSUMERS???

:wtf:

That this calls citizens/patients CONSUMERS is beyond contemptible... and points to WHO wrote this and WHY.

[Athame]

117. mental health patients are called consumers

I don't know why, and I always thought it was disgusting, but when my daughter was diagnosed with schizophrenia I learned this term. I believe it is an attempt to reduce the stigma of being a mental patient. Others here probably know more about the history of it.

[loyalsister]

130. meanings......

You're entirely mistaken in your understanding of the meaning of "consumer" in this context.
In disability circles people who take part in services are called consumers. That's because not everyone is permanently disabled. And, not everyone likes to think of themselves as disabled. To get around using words that seem defeatist, the more neutral "consumer" is used.
I know this from my work as an advocate.

[jus_the_facts]

13. WTF...so just because HE and his ilk are ALL INSANE......

.....and drugged to the TEETH....so should EVERYBODY else be as well?! :puke: They're tryin' their DAMNEDEST to MAKE everyone else CRAZY...sorry but I'll NEVER take anymore o'their *depression* medication m'self...that shit WILL cause severe chemical reactions within your brain that take a LONG time to wear off...already been there and done that once...NEVER AGAIN! :scared:

[TankLV]

83. Let's see - everyone else on this planet says I lie, cheat, steal and kill

I say I don't.

They cite numerous examples and have proof.

I just "believe" it.

Therefore, I am the only sane person on this whole planet, and all the rest of you are insane!

Yeah! That's the ticket!

Wash, rinse, repeat as required.

[Davis_X_Machina]

14. I wouldn't trust these people to find flies in an outhouse...

...but the idea is worth a second look.

My school-aged kids have their eyes and ears screened annually, and no one assumes that it's a put up job by the hearing aid manufacturers, or the chain optometrists.

My daughter is screened for scoliosis -- a potentially crippling condition, but not one that kills a fair proportion of its sufferers, as depression does.

I work in a medium-sized school that averages a suicide a year, and if my school nurse, and her colleagues, want to screen for depression, I say 'have at it'.

I'm tired of burying student suicides, or the drunk- and drugged drivers, some of whom are self-medicating, because there's precious little mental health care in the community, and massive stigma, especially among the boys, attached to accessing it.

Even a blind pig -- and pigs come no blinder than this administration -- finds an acorn occasionally.

[R Hickey]

63. This is no blind pig finding an acorn... this is preying on children.

Now the drug-pushing companies want to systematically prey on children. The same people who want to stiff the elderly with wildly over-priced medications.

Maybe you are tired of burying "student suicides," but what makes you think these magic pills are going to save any student's lives? I believe one of the Columbine student shooters had been drugged with these pharmaceutical mood-altering drugs.

Furthermore, most drug deaths in America are caused by over-prescribed pharmaceutical-company drugs. Testing children in order to find any excuse to addict them for life, is on the same moral level of evil as Bush's recent attempts to de-regulate the Geneva Convention.

This is no blind pig finding an acorn. This a draconian plan to have corporate pharmacies addict as many little children as they can. Eventually, I bet, they will discover that every child needs one of their drugs or another. Perhaps, just to enhance the children's performance, their advertising will explain.

This is the identical motivation as the when the Big Tobacco companies are directing Joe Camel cigarette advertising to your children. Addict them young, so profits role in until the kid dies of lung cancer or goes on a tranquilizer related killing spree, depending on whether the corporation has addicted the kid to cigarettes or their highly profitable, magic little pills.

[disinfo_guy]

92. this must be some kind of payoff to Big Pharma

we can only assume this will make it easier to push pills onto schoolkids. Your son rowdy and doesn't like to sit still during class? Drug him!

[wickerwoman]

98. Couple this with the story a few weeks ago

about a school calling social services because a parent refused to give their child Prozac and you have a really nasty perfect storm.

And eye, ear, and scoliosis tests are hundreds of times more reliable than psychiatric ones.

I was depressed in high school (and I was treated in my mid-20s when I had insurance and time and motivation to work on my problems.) I would have been caught by this screening. And they would have put me on meds which I would have resented taking. And my parents would have gone ballistic about the diagnosis and forbidden me from taking the pills. (They were in denial about my allergies for 24 years.)

No way are they going to spring for genuine counselling for these kids. They'll drug them and pass them on, and if their parents don't like it, they can only take them out of school or pay exorbitant amounts to one of Bush's McSchool designing friends at the Edison Project.

OK, possibly you can screen for schizophrenia or psychosis (although those kids tend to screen themselves). But you can't help depressed people until they are ready to face their problems. It's like screening for alcoholics and forcing them to take AA. What percentage of people who were court ordered into AA go back to drinking as soon as their sentence is up?

This has nasty Foucauldian social implications as well.

[Trillo]

125. Allergies: many people don't realize the effects of allergies

goes far beyond a runny nose and itchy eyes. Allergies have many behavior-related effects. That your parents were in denial about your allergies is sad, and would be even sadder if your parents were 'professionals.'


Be on the alert for possible allergies if your child has bouts of irritability, temper tantrums or decreased ability to concentrate in school. These are all signs of "allergic irritability syndrome" often caused by nose, ear and sinus symptoms in allergic children. Sometimes allergic children manifest overactive behavior and usually, their schoolwork suffers. This should NOT imply that attention deficit disorder is caused by allergies!
http://allergy.mcg.edu/advice/chldrn.html
(bolding added by me)


All sorts of allergies are on the rise now.

[FlaGranny]

129. The concept doesn't SOUND bad, except

for what they could use it for - making profits for drug companies. This administration does NOTHING that does not profit their buddies. I trust absolutly nothing from them, even if, on first glance, at appears like a good thing.

[Journeyman]

15. Aldous Huxley's "Soma". . .

most disturbing. . .

[m-jean03]

18. My thoughts exactly n/t

[tkmorris]

32. Precisely what I was thinking

As an added benefit you can bet your Medulla Oblongata that all of us peons will end up with some mental defect or another in our medical records. This will enable all sorts of mischief, from denial of medical benefits, higher insurance rates, and instant discrediting of anyone when it's convenient.

[Cronus Protagonist]

52. Denial of voting privileges has to be one of the goals

Not to mention denial of access to healthcare and health insurance.

ANYBODY BUT BUSH

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[livinginphotographs]

16. Hmmm...

Where was his concern last week when his buddy Hastert was blocking mental health parity legislation?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/06/11/mental.health.ap/index.html

One could give Bush the benefit of the doubt and pretend like he actually does care about psychiatric problems in the US population. I'm not one of those people. This is probably just a plan to get as many people as possible on psych drugs, much to the delight of his buddies in the pharmaceutical companies.

[livinginphotographs]

19. Something else I thought of....

If you're mentally ill and commit murder, Bush will prescribe the death penalty for you...

[m-jean03]

17. Man, this just reeks

Very bizarre, and scary. Thanks for posting.

:scared:

[seventhson]

20. Socalled "Eugenics" has been promoted by the Bushes for a half century

or more.

see Tarpley.net (ther unauthorized Bush biography)

This is the next step on the way to a return to modern pharmaceutical gas chambers for those deemed "unfit" by the insane clown posse.

The reality is that those who promote this shit are crazier than shithouse bats and have designed or gamed the system to allow the MOST deviant and perverted killers and sadists like Rummy, Asscrack, Cheney et al to get away with murder.

This is truly frightening in the hands of the Bushes.

In the hands of a Dean or Gore it would possibly be a positive thing.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

21. The way things are nowadays

if you even raise a question about this crap you'd probably be classified AS mentally ill!
We're in a lose-lose situation with this stuff folks. Can't November hurry up and get here?

[Misunderestimator]

24. Not only does God talk to him, but now the ghost of Ronald Reagan?

:wtf: I guess his next idea will be to send them all to Mars.

[Gin]

25. Screening ...like charity.... begins at home....you first shrub!

g

[seemslikeadream]

26. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson

Implementation of Olmstead

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson established the Office on Disability to coordinate disability programs across HHS agencies.
The Department of Health and Human Services has awarded nearly $160 million in Real Systems Change Grants since 2001 to support community-based services for people with disabilities.
In FY 2003, the Department of Health and Human Services’ Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services funded a $6 million demonstration grant that enables state and community-based providers to test new strategies for recruiting, training, and retaining direct service workers.
The Departments of Justice and Health and Human Services have entered into an agreement under which HHS refers Olmstead-related complaints to DOJ’s ADA mediation program. To date, several complaints have been successfully mediated.

www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html

[Bluebear]

27. "New Freedom Initiative".... starting to sound like a cautionary novel

Only we're living it.

[Just Me]

29. Great. So the neocons will be "screened" into a psychiatric ward.

Dubya will finally take the anti-psychotic drugs he always needed.

And, the USA will live happily, ever after.

:freak:

[bif]

30. Hello Big Brother!

1984 here we go!

[short bus president]

31. The "commission" must be stacked with drugco reps.

Read this quote carefully:

"The president's commission found that 'despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed' and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for 'consumers of all ages'"

Here it is again with the important bit bolded:

"The president's commission found that 'despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed' and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for 'consumers of all ages'"

That is not Executive Branch Commission speak, in which the quaint term "citizen" is often used to refer to the citizenry. That is pharmaceutical industry speak, and it says a whole lot about who produced this recommendation and why. Lawd Jeebus hep us all.

[TahitiNut]

46. You got it. It's NewSpeak. Pretty soon we'll all be using it.

Defense.
Freedom.
Election.

These are all euphemisms.

[Nay]

56. That's what leaped out at me, too, Shortbus. Calling us "consumers."

WTF?? Isn't there any such thing as a "citizen" anymore? Do all programs for the supposed health and welfare of the citizenry have to make corporations richer, or they aren't implemented? I swear, many 'mentally ill' people wouldn't be so 'mental' if they had a steady job that paid the bills.

And not a word about how antidepressants are suspected to drive an inordinate number of children to kill themselves. . .

[Corkey Mineola]

119. Exactyly my point below...

This is all about profit. It's about freeing up the insurance companies, cutting their losses.
The goal is to sell FEWER drugs to the less-insured and MORE drugs to the more-insured.
But the worst-off go untreated and end up homeless, jailed, destitute, or worse.
PHN

[many a good man]

33. About time. There is an epidemic of Cognitive Dissonance

It is ravaging the country. About 50% of the population is affected. It is impairing our ability to make rational political decisions. International aid is clearly called for.

[parasim]

34. A counter argument to the New Freedom Commission's goals:

It's called the People's True Freedom Commission

http://mindfreedom.org/mindfreedom/bush_b.shtml

-snip

Satel is an American Enterprise Institute psychiatrist whose own web site, book, interviews and speeches directly attack the very idea of mental health consumers and psychiatric survivors organizing for self-determination and their human rights. Dr. Satel's plan? She promotes the involuntary psychiatric drugging of thousands of more Americans, including Americans living out in the community in their own homes.

-snip

The AEI rears it's ugly head once again...

[nolabels]

36. Dubya Dunce can stick Eli Lilly up his fat delusional ASS

I often thought some how "I" was the more crazy of the equation when it comes to claiming people to be nuts. I am happy to report flunking this part of the math quiz.

All them mental health folks should take note of this little development.

I only spent a few months in one them places, but can give the first hand account on people that do this (it's called tranferance, very classic)

Best hope for cures for such people, education with much emphisis on reading. The hopes for the poor example of the man named * are dismal, but the goat books are a start.



"Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans. Our military is powerful, and it's prepared. Our emergency teams are working in New York City and Washington, D.C. to help with local rescue efforts." (not)

What does he mean he had nobody to talk to? He could have talked to a mass of people if he'd wanted to. His job as president is to lead the United States with well judged decisions, especially in times of crisis. A well judged decision at this time would have seen Bush excusing himself from the class with a "sorry kids, but something's come up" so that he could find out exactly what was going on and act accordingly. Instead, he did nothing more than pose for photographs.
Bush's Confused Recollection
(snip)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html
(snip)
Bush's Confused Recollection

Bush's own recollection of the first crash only complicates the picture. Less than two months after the attacks, Bush made the preposterous claim that he had watched the first attack as it happened on live television. This is the seventh different account of how Bush learned about the first crash (in his limousine, from Loewer, from Card, from Rove, from Gottesman, from Rice, from television). On December 4, 2001, Bush was asked: "How did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?" Bush replied, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it."

There was no film footage of the first attack until at least the following day, and Bush didn't have access to a television until 15 or so minutes later. The Boston Herald later noted, "Think about that. Bush's remark implies he saw the first plane hit the tower. But we all know that video of the first plane hitting did not surface until the next day. Could Bush have meant he saw the second plane hit - which many Americans witnessed? No, because he said that he was in the classroom when Card whispered in his ear that a second plane hit." Bush's recollection has many precise details. Is he simply confused? It's doubly strange why his advisors didn't correct him or - at the very least - stop him from repeating the same story only four weeks later. On January 5, 2002, Bush stated: "Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida ... and my Chief of Staff – well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane..."

Unfortunately, Bush has never been asked - not even once - to explain these statements. His memory not only contradicts every single media report, it also contradicts what he said that evening. In his speech to the nation that evening, Bush said: "Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans." It's not known what these emergency plans were, because neither Bush nor anyone in his administration mentioned this immediate response again. Implementing "emergency response plans" seems to completely contradict Bush's "by the way" recollection of a small airplane accident.
(snip)

[seemslikeadream]

40. VENLAFAXINE HCI EFFEXOR XR

Have you heard of this med.? It seems docs have been dishin' samples out like candy. Bad bad stuff!

[nolabels]

54. Some twenty five years ago, I have since transgressed :-)

No but it appears to be one of those Upper / downer deals to work on the brain chems. All drugs for your head are bad stuff, this one does sound in the really bad class though.

Remember the CIA helped get some of this better minds through chemistry invented so it only goes to figure. There are accounts of using these types of drugs in torture, so what ever else they have to say about how good they are for anything I would be skeptical.

My cousin has been on many different kinds of psychoactive drugs from doctors for years and she has went down hill on her treatment using that crap. Some of it might be okay for acute short durations, but as a rule for long term medications for mental illness I am guessing it's going to be a loser.

Got to go to work but here is a B.S. promo for it
http://www.athealth.com/Consumer/mcabinet/EffexorXR.html

[loyalsister]

132. whatever mr. armchair

I have little patience with people like you but had to comment because I knew a 27 yr old Schizophrenic kid who might have lived quite a few more years if he could have gotten on a maintenance med.
GET a CLUE! you don't know what you're talking about.

[gatlingforme]

37. This is truely sick and scary.

[radfringe]

38. been through this in Massachusetts

mental institutions were closed and people sent to privately run rehab homes/half-way houses/sheltered workshops

sounds like a good idea, until you find there are no support services in the communities -- like emergency intervention when someone goes off the wall. Local hospitals may have psych wards, but they aren't equipped to deal with someone for a long period of time -- they just stabilize them on some drugs and ship'em back out.

I've worked in all these places, from the wards of mental institutions to rehab houses and sheltered workshops. What they end up being is a mini-institutional warehouses.

Pay for the employees sucks, no training, no support services -- and always operating at minimum staffing levels. I got all my training by working these places, there was no school or courses to take and no miniumum experience/training levels required.

as far as saving tax payer dollars - ferget it - costs alot more

I'm all for "rehab" into the community -- but if you are going to do it -- it better be done right with appropriate support services and TRAINED staffing.

[kegler14]

39. And if Clinton had proposed something like this

the Freepers would be going crazy right now. But they're too busy calling for us to nuke the Middle East and jail all Muslims in the U.S.

[iconoclastic cat]

41. So, can we look forward to "Liberal=clinically deranged" soon?

Why not?

[Nadienne]

44. And not only that,

they'll be able to give us "happy pills" to make us sane.

:scared:

[Nay]

57. Why not? That's exactly what the commies did for years. All their

opposition languished in mental hospitals.

[Mandate My Ass]

116. It's already here and it's called oppositional defiant disorder

meaning you refuse to submit to authority.

[Walt Starr]

42. REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO THEIR TESTS!

Seriously, how many think that liberal leaning WON'T red flag you as being "mentally unstable"?

[smirkymonkey]

43. Here come the V-chips...

[cosmicdot]

who is Digital Angel Corporation selling it's Veri-Chip to?

http://www.digitalangel.net/

:scared:

[smirkymonkey]

75. Hmmm.... The plot thickens.

V-chips, they're not just for the military anymore!

[Minstrel Boy]

45. The "special" psychiatric hospitals of the Soviet Union,

to which political dissidents were committed.

Why am I reminded of those?

[seemslikeadream]

48. I don't know I just don't know

[GingerSnaps]

47. Everyone is Nuts

The Bush family are the only ones that are normal :crazy:

[Kadie]

50. Medicate the masses

yeah, thats the ticket.

Scary stuff.

"Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviours and emotional disorders."

My son's pediatrician was just telling us that many kids diagnosed with ADHD are found to have enlarged adenoids and sleep apnea. They just are not getting enough sleep.

But hey, why fix it when you can medicate it.

[seemslikeadream]

51. sleep apnea

My daughter just got her machine today. Now she will not wake up 36 times a night!

[Cronus Protagonist]

53. I'm so glad they have all this extra money available

But shouldn't they be giving it back to us instead of spending it on bigger government?

(that's the first time I've ever posted a Republican talking point intended as sarcasm that isn't)

ANYBODY BUT BUSH

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[tlcandie]

55. Snipped from the bmj linked article...

<snip>
But the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, sparked off controversy when Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, revealed that key officials with influence over the medication plan in his state received money and perks from drug companies with a stake in the medication algorithm (15 May, p1153). He was sacked this week for speaking to the BMJ and the New York Times.

The Texas project started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas, and the mental health and corrections systems of Texas. The project was funded by a Robert Wood Johnson grant—and by several drug companies.

Mr Jones told the BMJ that the same "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that generated the Texas project was behind the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission, which, according to his whistleblower report, were "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab" (http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf).

Larry D Sasich, research associate with Public Citizen in Washington, DC, told the BMJ that studies in both the United States and Great Britain suggest that "using the older drugs first makes sense. There's nothing in the labeling of the newer atypical antipsychotic drugs that suggests they are superior in efficacy to haloperidol . There has to be an enormous amount of unnecessary expenditures for the newer drugs."
<snip>

[tlcandie]

59. More about Mr. Jones...

<snip>
Mr Jones filed a suit on 7 May against his supervisors charging that the OIG's policy of barring employees from talking to the media was "unconstitutional." Mr Jones claims, in the complaint filed in the Middle District Court of Pennsylvania, that he is being harassed by his superiors and Pennsylvania governmental institutions in order to "coverup, discourage, and limit any investigations or oversight into the corrupt practices of large drug companies and corrupt public officials who have acted with them."

Mr Jones had been earlier removed as lead investigator on the case after being told by a manager that "drug companies write cheques to politicians on both sides of the aisle."

In July 2002 Mr Jones was appointed lead investigator when he uncovered evidence of payments into an off-the-books account. The account, earmarked for "educational grants" was funded in large part by Pfizer and Janssen Pharmaceuticals. Payments were made from the account to state employees who developed formulary guidelines recommending expensive new drugs over older, cheaper drugs with proved track records.

One of the recommended drugs was Janssen's antipsychotic medicine risperidone (Risperdal)—a drug that has recently been found to have potentially lethal side effects. The Food and Drug Administration issued a warning letter to Janssen on 27 April saying that Janssen's "Dear Healthcare Provider" letter about risperidone was "false or misleading" because it failed to disclose or minimised risks of the drug relating to "serious adverse events including ketoacidosis, hyperosmolar coma, and death."
<snip>

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7449/1153

[cosmicdot]

60. should we avoid Lounge anti-depressant polls and questions?

is that you Ashcroft?

someone can always be bought to sell us out?

double agents are SOP


First they came for the depressed

after which there were not many people left .......

[Q]

61. Wow...the potential to bring in billions for his drug industry cronies...

...which equates to more campaign cash for Bush* and Republicans.

- How transparent can they get? It obviously doesn't bother them to be caught red-handed doing 'favors' for their supporters. What's next? Large federal grants for their religious supporters?

[tlcandie]

62. Not only are the drug companies going to make oodles and boodles..

someone has designed the software program that will be used for this computerized service! The name of the program is CompTMAP and I'm trying to find who designed and owns this software program. Some here are so good at those things and I'm floundering it seems :/

[Lars39]

64. I may have found out who owns it...

HarrisLogic,Inc. Scroll to the very bottom. Lovely. BORG?!?!?
http://www.mhsip.org/2003%20presentations/Wed350/JTheis%20BORG%20Whitepaper%20Draft.pdf

[tlcandie]

66. Well, their program, BORG, is able to interface with the program..

CompTMAP, but they didn't design it...I don't think. It seems that it was designed by Dr. Kenneth Altshuler of University of Texas and is called University of Texas Southwestern CompTMAP System.

According to some notes I did locate he does have financial interests/conflicts with Eli Lilly and Janssen Pharmacuticals. Still looking :/

[Lars39]

71. ohh, you're good!

:)

[cosmicdot]

70. HarrisLogic sure has an unusual link to its site

http://stlqp1.edapt.us/QuickPlace/harrislogic/Main.nsf/h_Toc/4df38292d748069d0525670800167212/?OpenDocument

[tlcandie]

77. this would not upload for me ..

:shrug:

[cosmicdot]

100. hmmmm ...

maybe the webmaster noticed too many 'hits' ???


http://www.harrislogic.com/
Ballwin, MO

HarrisLogic = William E. Harris

cached - Ad Hoc Task Force on Electronic Health Record-Public Health
Craig Caesar
CIO, Community Health
HarrisLogic, Inc.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:lFCWnw9HnD8J:www.phdatastandards.info/about/committees/ehrph.htm+HarrisLogic&hl=en

~snip~ from an online CV

Employment History

September 2002-Present
HarrisLogic - St. Louis, MO / Chicago, IL
Systems Architect / Developer

http://www.harrislogic.com/

http://www.edapt.us/


-Integration of Lotus Domino back-end data with Websphere Portal Server.
-Development of custom Portlet Applications for data entry and data access, including workflow and collaboration (Sametime integration).
-Software architecture of CORBA implementation (IIOP) between Websphere and Domino.
-Application design for HIPAA compliancy.
-Web-enablement of existing applications

http://www.burnpc.com/website.nsf/all/67172CDC193D2F1E85256B03007171BF

[tlcandie]

72. Okay found personal info on Dr. Altshuler...

Take note of the very bottom paragraph...last sentence where I took the liberty to highlight..

<snip>
Dr. Altshuler received his B.A. from Cornell (1948) and his M.D. from the University of Buffalo (1952). He was board certified in Psychiatry in 1961 and certified in Psychoanalytic Medicine by Columbia University in 1962. He is currently Stanton Sharp Professor (2000 - ), and former Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas (1977 - 2000). Prior to this appointment, Dr. Altshuler was Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons, where he was also Director of Medical Education (Psychiatry) and a Training Analyst at the University's Psychoanalytic Clinic for Training and Research. He has written over 140 papers and books, and researched in such varied fields as genetics, geriatrics, early total deafness, psychoanalysis, sleep and dreams, and services research.

He received the Thornton Wilson Award in genetics and preventive psychiatry in 1961, the Merit Award of the Association for Psychoanalytic Medicine in 1963, an Honorary Doctorate of Science from Gallaudet College in Washington, D.C. in 1972. He also received a Certificate of Significant Achievement from the American Psychiatric Association (Hospital and Community Division) in 1976 and again in 1995. He was Principal Investigator of "Essential Aspects of Deafness," which combined international research and the establishment of nationwide services for the deaf in Yugoslavia. Dr. Altshuler was a founder and Vice President of the Association of Directors of Medical Student Education in Psychiatry, and was made an Honorary Life Member in 1981.

He has been a Training Analyst and moving force in establishing the Dallas Psychoanalytic Institute; a Director of the National Board of Medical Examiners, and chair of its Psychiatry Test Committee; a Director of the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology (1989 - ) and President in 1996; and President of the American Association of Chairmen of Departments of Psychiatry (1990-1991). As Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Southwestern Medical School, he raised over $50 million dollars, including funds for ten named chairs and two research centers in psychiatry. In 1983 he became the first holder of the Stanton Sharp Chair in Psychiatry and in 1989, Zale Lipshy University Hospital named its psychiatric unit in his honor.

Programs he established have twice won the American Psychiatric Association's Certificate of Significant Achievement, and he has twice been given the Dallas County Mental Health Association's award for Distinguished Community Service, the second time (1992) for conceiving and having obtained a legislative line item to fund Mental Health Connections, a $9.2 million public-academic partnership providing new community services and carrying $750,000 annually for research aimed at improving service effectiveness. In 1993 the State University of New York at Buffalo honored him as a Distinguished Alumnus, and in 1996, the Dallas County MHMR Center named its Trail Blazer Award after Dr. Altshuler and installed him as its first recipient. In 1996, he was given the Psychiatric Excellence Award by the Texas Society of Psychiatric Physicians, and Alumnus of the Decade (1950-59) Centennial Award from Columbia University and the New York State Psychiatric Institute. In 1997, Dr. Altshuler received the Texas Star Award from the Mental Health Association of Texas for outstanding community service in mental health. He was also honored by Dallas County MHMR when they renamed a clinic in his honor. In 1999, then Governor George W. Bush appointed him a member of the Board of Directors of the Texas Department of Mental Health and Mental Retardation.

http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/findfac/personal/0,2358,10141,00.html

[cosmicdot]

105. wonder where he was born ...

[NashVegas]

65. "consumers of all ages" ????

We aren't citizens anymore?

[Bluebear]

67. Only if you have money

[monobrau]

87. That's all you need to know

Have we got amedication for you!

[geek tragedy]

68. I love the fact that

this thread is right next to a "Cheney says Al Qaeda and Saddam had close ties" thread.

[Pastiche423]

69. It is a society where drugs

are dispensed by the government in order to further pacify the citizens.

The population is distracted and sedated by a combination of wall to wall interactive television and mind altering drugs.

A future in which independent thought is discouraged.

Although the words above are from a review of the movie, Fahrenheit 451, isn't it already happening in this country?

[mia]

73. Be brave - take an online diagnostic test

The commission commended the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."


For more info on TMAP, visit the Forum on the Intigration of Technology and Quality Mental Health Service Delivery.
http://www.omh.state.ny.us/omhweb/institute/postconference/Videos.html


Especially interesting is Session 301 - "Web Enabling Complex, Multi-Lingual, Structured Interviews Using Dialogix"


Take a look at the range of Dialogix online tests.
http://www.dianexus.org:8080/index.jsp

I took this one for amusement
Automated Morningness-Eveningness Questionnaire (AutoMEQ-SA)

and this one for enlightenment.
SCID II (v. 2.0) - Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV



It's a Brave New World, indeed,

[tlcandie]

76. will check that out! Also, found that Dr. Altshuler's wife is a * pioneer

http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/newpioneers/all_pioneers.html

:wow: Check out this little number of Mrs. Altshuler...

http://www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers/pioneers_view.jsp?id=502

KKK mentioned here.

[ElementaryPenguin]

74. "Liburals" are considered mentally ill - may have lobotomy to correct!

Here it comes!

:puke:
:crazy:
:silly:

[Guaranteed]

78. No one is screening ME for SHIT, buddy.

R.P. McMurphy lives.

Go fuck yourself.

[Nancy Waterman]

95. I just saw One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest last night again

Very germaine to the conversation.
It gave me the creeps to see it again, given our current situation.

For those of you who don't know or don't remember, Jack Nicholson (McMurphy) is a small time crook with an aggressive streak who doesn't go by the rules. They take him out of jail and put him into a mental hospital to observe him. He is the only lively, creative guy there and tries to energize the others. He ends up with a lobotomy since the powers that be can't handle him at all. He isn't even remotely crazy.

I don't want anyone testing my kids. Blanket testing is ridiculous and expensive. Perhaps if a teacher recommends that a kid seems particularly disturbed or depressed or hyper, they could ask the parents if they are interested. But not blanket testing.

[leesa]

127. And why on earth would the 'small government' Republicans want

to invest in this extremely expensive program if not for some nefarious deed.

[Jose Diablo]

80. Animal farm

The pigs kidnap the puppies.

[CBHagman]

84. Has this clown priced prescriptions lately?

Those of us who don't have a prescription benefit and/or insurance are supposed to go marching off to the pharmacy? Or is this about...free drugs? Somehow that seems appropriate for a Bush family member...

[saigon68]

88. He's witless-- clueless

He's never really ever worked a day in his life

[seemslikeadream]

89. take a look at this saigon68

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=629950&mesg_id=631348&page=

[leesa]

128. Or be incarcerated.

[Hotler]

90. The goal of the neo-cons is to control the sheeple.

Period!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

93. That's what it's all about!!! These Nazis want to control us....

just as Hitler once did!

[seemslikeadream]

96. a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States

Racism is alive and well. It never went away. It only went underground.



How American corporate philanthropies launched a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States, helped found and fund the Nazi eugenics of Hitler and Mengele — and then created the modern movement of "human genetics."

In the first three decades of the 20th Century, American corporate philanthropy combined with prestigious academic fraud to create the pseudoscience eugenics that institutionalized race politics as national policy. The goal: create a superior, white, Nordic race and obliterate the viability of everyone else.
How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to legislated segregation and sterilization programs. The victims: poor people, brown-haired white people, African Americans, immigrants, Indians, Eastern European Jews, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the superior genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists. The main culprits were the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune, in league with America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, operating out of a complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island. The eugenic network worked in tandem with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the State Department and numerous state governmental bodies and legislatures throughout the country, and even the U.S. Supreme Court. They were all bent on breeding a eugenically superior race, just as agronomists would breed better strains of corn. The plan was to wipe away the reproductive capability of the weak and inferior.

Ultimately, 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized — legally and extra-legally. Many never discovered the truth until decades later. Those who actively supported eugenics include America's most progressive figures: Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

American eugenic crusades proliferated into a worldwide campaign, and in the 1920s came to the attention of Adolf Hitler. Under the Nazis, American eugenic principles were applied without restraint, careening out of control into the Reich's infamous genocide. During the pre-War years, American eugenicists openly supported Germany's program. The Rockefeller Foundation financed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the work of its central racial scientists. Once WWII began, Nazi eugenics turned from mass sterilization and euthanasia to genocidal murder. One of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute doctors in the program financed by the Rockefeller Foundation was Josef Mengele who continued his research in Auschwitz, making daily eugenic reports on twins. After the world recoiled from Nazi atrocities, the American eugenics movement — its institutions and leading scientists — renamed and regrouped under the banner of an enlightened science called human genetics.
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/



The Passing of a Great Race by American eugenicist Madison Grant


Against the mongrelization of the submerged tenth, the eugenicists posed the purity of the Nordic races. Peoples of the north, they held, had forged their superiority over generations through the struggle to survive in severe environments. The weaker members had long been eliminated by natural selection.


This was set out in texts like The Passing of a Great Race by American eugenicist Madison Grant, which Hitler read while imprisoned in the mid '20s for inciting mob violence.


(The German translation was published by Hitler's co-conspirator Julius Lehman; Hitler even wrote Grant a fan letter declaring the book his "Bible.")

http://www.popmatters.com/books/reviews/w/war-against-the-weak.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

97. WITHOUT SANCTUARY

Lynchers often paraded their victim down the main street, through black neighborhoods, and in front of "colored schools" that were in session.

Jesse Washington, seventeen years old, was the chief suspect in the May 8, 1916, murder of Lucy Fryer of Robinson, Texas, on whose farm he worked as a laborer. After the lynching, Washington's corpse was placed in a burlap bag and dragged around City Hall Plaza, through the main streets of Waco, and seven miles to Robinson, where a large black population resided.

His charred corpse was hung for public display in front of a blacksmith shop. The sender of this card, Joe Meyers, an oiler at the Bellmead car department and a Waco resident, marked his photo with a cross (now an ink smudge to left of victim).


This card bears the advertising stamp, "katy electric studio temple texas. h. lippe prop." inscribed in brown ink: "This is the Barbecue we had last night my picture is to the left with a cross over it your son Joe."

Repeated references to eating are found in lynching-related correspondence, such as "coon cooking," "barbecue," and "main fare."
http://www.musarium.com/withoutsanctuary/main.html


The original sin, the KKK and billionaires joined forces with their spiritual kin, the NAZÎs and the Mafia through their secret government, crafted in large part by the Dulles Brothers and Clark Clifford

Octafish

[leesa]

102. Will we have to sew stars on our coats if we don't pass muster?

If they are using GW Bush as the poster boy for mental health, most of us won't fare well

[Tight_rope]

103. WTF!...The "Nut" is cracking the shell to let out all the "Nuts"!

:wtf: The Fucknut has got to be kidding me. Has he read the statistic's about the mental ill individuals that are released that commit murder. And one of the main reasons is because of the not taking their medication. While in the institution we have individuals who make sure that they take their medication.

I suspect that the real reason Bush wants to released mentally ill individuals out into the public sector is because the government is trying to cut it's cost. Yes, the tax payers are the one's who foot the majority of the bill to house these patients.

Unfortunately, we can no longer afraid to pay for the medical care of the mentally ill because we have to pay for a war that many have opposed from the start.

So basically, we can say that we will never be safe. This is:crazy:

[cosmicdot]

104. will I be given a pink triangle to wear ... to show I've been "tested"?

who defines what mental illness is? I remember when the whole terra thing began ... it wasn't defined from the get-go either ... the idea of a testing plan is terra/tyranny/fear as far as I'm concerned



Freedom Initiative - reason enough to consider emigrating
has to be one of the scariest things to come out of these fascists yet ... along with ...

Homeland Security
PATRIOT Act

it's all too Nazi Germany for me

First they came for the depressed;
after that, there weren't too many left to come for

The Freepers thought they were 'safe' ... they had been fooled more than once ... and, then, they came for them ... - cosmicdot, consumer 84592614


from Tarpley

"There is also a reason why American elitists like the Harrimans and the Bushes become such fanatics for eugenics and population reduction. This has to do with the position of such families as virtual parvenu upstarts within the Anglo-American hierarchy. In order to have standing in the oligarchy it is necessary to have a patent of nobility going back at the very least a century or two, with four to five hundred years being preferable. This puts families like Harriman or Bush into a virtual status frenzy. When W. Averell Harriman was a child, President Theodore Roosevelt publicly attacked his father, the railroad builder E.J. Harriman, as a robber baron and a public menace for the country. An associate of W. Averell Harriman in the State Department once recounted his impression that the younger Harriman and indeed the rest of his family had never gotten over the colossal humiliation of this incident. This interesting fact casts light on the tireless efforts of Averell's mother to buy the family status and respectability by funding eugenics research to investigate the criminal tendencies of those incorrigible lower orders and mental defectives. The Harrimans were by implication a race apart. It also helped to explain what the associate described Averell's life-long history as a compulsive liar whenever a situation emerged in which he could improve his image at the expense of others by lying."

http://www.tarpley.net/bush10.htm
http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm

[HarveyBriggs]

106. He's just trolling for votes.

He's heard that a person has to be crazy to vote for him.

Harvey Briggs

[dolo amber]

107. Heh....He could start here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1294917

We've already started it for him...:silly:

[havocmom]

109. Very early in this malAdministration, wasn't there a short news cycle

about using drugs to prevent urban populations from becoming violent? Wasn't there something about DOD trying to find a method to administer such pharmaceuticals to masses of people?

I don't need no stinking tin foil; they are planning on doping the masses and pretend it is a good thing. Jeeze, look at how many children we have on drugs already. It is the culture that is sick.

When I had insurance, I got more care for depression than I wanted. Now, without insurance, I cannot get care for anything.

[tlcandie]

111. I remember they were doing the smallpox vaccination scare thing..

and many were very leary for various reasons. This seems familiar, but I can't place it :/

[havocmom]

112. No, it was prior to the attempt to get people to take the vaccine.

And the vauge memory of it may have been what stopped a lot of folks from getting that shot.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

122. Soma?

:shrug:

[SoCalDem]

110. What a scam...

"Screening" is useless without the necessary follow-up care being provided..

likely scenario:

"Yes you are suffering from a major depression, and the meds will run you $300 a month, and the psychiatric help will run you $100 an hr , 2 or 3 times a week..".. Oh, you are unemployed and have no insurance??".... Well, "Have a nice Day".....NEXT ....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

113. he had better start with HIMSELF!

[KansDem]

126. Yeah, George. To paraphrase that old adage...

"It takes one to know 300 million..."

[Sabriel]

114. Kick. Very important

This is one of the most disturbing things I've seen for a long time. I see it includes school personnel as well, and while there've been some principals who definitely needed some help, it doesn't mean I'd like them tested as part of their job.

I also don't like how they use very researchy sounding terminology, making it sound like they've got it down to an exact science. Anyone who's been involved with it knows it ain't.

[Gingersnapsback]

115. Scientologists give tests

to screen to see if you are programmable. Years ago, I desperately needed a job in Clearwater, where they own everything, so I took their test as an job applicant. My rock throwing anarchist roomie had failed miserably and did not get the job. I answered the way I knew they wanted and was hired. Now, I won't even go to movies that have famous Scientologist stars. (John Travolta, etc) They are truly lunatics.

We will have to play their game if we want to be free.

[Name removed]

118. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[2cents]

120. The screwy chimp is now a dope pusher

What happened to his "faith based" cure-alls?

Is Screwy now saying dope trumps faith?

A lot of red meat there for Kerry.

[OneBlueSky]

124. kick . . . n/t

.

[Sabriel]

131. Well, why not? Make sense.

It's the next logical step after drug testing kids participating in sports, isn't it? After all, there's precedent for it...keeping kids safe from drugs...keeping kids safe from mental illness.

I guess everyone should've been a little more vocal in their opposition to school drug tests. Whooopsie. Down the slippery slope we go.