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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:34 AM
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Indictments of Enron's Lay Expected Soon
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=5462367

Indictments of Enron's Lay Expected Soon
Sat Jun 19, 2004 08:52 AM ET

HOUSTON (Reuters) - U.S. prosecutors are expected to ask a federal grand jury to indict former Enron Corp. (ENRNQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research) chairman Ken Lay within two weeks on charges related to the company's 2001 collapse, a newspaper reported on Saturday.

The Houston Chronicle, citing unnamed sources, said Lay likely would face fraud charges similar to those filed earlier against former Enron chief executive office Jeffrey Skilling and former Enron chief accounting officer Richard Causey.

Those two have been indicted on multiple charges including insider trading, securities fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy and lying about Enron finances.

Lay, 62, led the now bankrupt energy trading giant for many years and was a major financial contributor and political ally of President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:38 AM
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1. He's so scared, I'm sure
What's the max here? 6 months in Club Fed, and a $100,000 fine? Yeah, that'll hit him where it hurts, yessireee.

No possible penalty can repair the damage this thug has done to the state of California.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:45 AM
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4. Club Fed?
Don't bet on it. Now that charges have been filed, all he has to do is delay court proceedings until the Chimp hands him a presidential pardon.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:20 AM
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16. Club Fed?
What a joke, all the lives that he and his cohorts have ruined and if convicted, he goes to a country club. Some Justice. I steal a car and I go to the county jail for six months.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:26 PM
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27. One needs to be convicted to be pardoned…
Thus I think it would be in his interest to have a speedy trial, a conviction before January and then walk away with his pardon…..but if you think Clinton took some static over Mark Rich, this would be off the charts….
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:07 PM
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38. Didn't Ford Pardon Nixon For Any Crimes He "May Have" Committed...
... without Nixon actually having been put on trial and convicted? Obviously the pardon itself (or accepting the pardon) is an indication of guilt or likely guilt, but I'm thinking that the conviction doesn't necessarily have to come first.

-- Allen
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:39 AM
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2. About Stinkin' Time
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Kenny Boy has a sudden 'heart attack' in the meantime.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:45 AM
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3. About time!
Actually very late, but it may work to the Dems advantage as this will be in the news all through this years election (and far beyond)
My company's pension plan lost several million $ when the crooked E collapsed. I hope Lay comes out of this penniless and with at least a 30 year prison sentence.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:47 AM
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5. but but but ...
Kenny Boy supported Ann Richards! screamed the AWOL chimpanzee (line stolen from Saigon68)

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1208785

excerpt:

When asked about his ties to Lay on Thursday, Bush suggested that he only inherited Lay as a political supporter.

"He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994," Bush said. "And she did name him the head of the Governor's Business Council, and I decided to leave him in place just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken, and he supported my candidacy."

But Texans for Public Justice, an Austin-based campaign finance reform organization, said Lay and Enron financially favored Bush in the 1994 race and said Bush had "revised history."

The group said Richards received $12,500 from Enron sources during the 1994 election cycle. But contributions from Enron's political committee and executives totaled $146,500 for Bush, including $47,500 directly from Lay and his wife, Linda.

"President Bush's explanation of his relationship to Enron is at best a half truth," said Craig McDonald, the group's director.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/020602a1.html

excerpt:

The Bush-Lay coziness earned the Enron chief a nickname from Bush as "Kenny Boy." But more importantly for Enron, Bush pitched in as governor and president whenever the energy trader wanted easier regulations within the U.S. or to have U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for loan guarantees or risk insurance for Enron's overseas ventures.

The Bush-Lay relationship helped Enron extend its reach across the globe, with the appearance of a successful company, as it pulled in billions of dollars in investment money from tens of thousands of unwary investors.

Now, in trying to insulate Bush from the spreading Enron scandal, White House aides have emphasized that administration officials rebuffed Lay and other Enron executives who sought a federal bailout to save their corporate skin. But the documentary record paints a different picture, showing that the administration did what it could last year to help Enron, until the Houston energy trader's collapse was so far advanced that its deceptive bookkeeping could no longer be kept out of public view.

Last year, Vice President Dick Cheney and his energy task force held six secret meetings with Lay and other Enron officials while developing an administration program that contained special favors for Enron. Bush named Lay’s allies to key regulatory positions, such as the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which pushed for other pet Enron projects.


http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0124-06.htm

excerpt:

As President Bush endlessly told us during his 2000 campaign, he is a man of honesty and integrity. He takes responsibility. He does what's right. He sets an example for our children. He tells the truth.

So when the Enron scandal began to break and Bush was asked by reporters about his relationship with Enron chairman Ken Lay, one would have been forgiven for expecting Bush to admit that his ties to Enron are substantial. For the record, Lay is an old Bush family supporter, both of our current president and his father. Lay raised and contributed money for the senior Bush, who made him chairman of the organizing committee for the 1992 Republican convention in Houston. No company has given George W. more money over the course of his political career than Enron; Lay's first contributions to Bush were during his unsuccessful run for Congress in 1978. Lay donated $100,000 to Bush's gubernatorial campaigns (there are no contribution limits in Texas). During the 2000 presidential campaign, Bush flew around the country on a corporate jet provided by Enron. Enron contributed $100,000 to Bush's inaugural committee; Lay and Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling each added $100,000 of their own. During the Florida recount, the Bush campaign set up a recount fund, limiting contributions to $5000. Both Lay and his wife gave the full amount. Add it all up, and since 1993 Enron and its employees have given Bush a grand total of $736,800. Oh, and the company gave the Republican party $1,138,990 in 2000; Lay himself has given the GOP $333,910 in soft money donations since 1998.

So let's just say the financial ties are pretty strong and go back a ways. But when Bush answered the reporters' questions about Ken Lay and Enron, you would have thought he was talking about somebody he barely knew. "He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994," Bush said. "And she named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken, and worked with Ken, and he supported my candidacy."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020110-1.html

excerpt:

Q When was the last time you talked to either Mr. Lay or any other Enron official, about the -- about anything? And did discussions involve the financial problems of the company?

THE PRESIDENT: I have never discussed, with Mr. Lay, the financial problems of the company. The last time that I saw Mr. Lay was at my mother's fundraising event to -- for literacy, in Houston. That would have been last spring. I do know that Mr. Lay came to the White House in -- early in my administration, along with, I think 20 other business leaders, to discuss the state of the economy. It was just kind of a general discussion. I have not met with him personally.

Q -- to inoculate and your administration politically from the fallout?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, Ken Lay is a supporter. And I got to know Ken Lay when he was the head of the -- what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken, and worked with Ken, and he supported my candidacy.

This is -- what anybody's going to find, if -- is that this administration will fully investigate issues such as the Enron bankruptcy, to make sure we can learn from the past, and make sure that workers are protected.

<snip>

Q What can you do about pensioners -- what can you do about pensioners now? Isn't that horse already out of the barn at Enron?

THE PRESIDENT: Our group is meeting, and they will bring recommendations here. They'll look at -- fully investigate what went on. My concern, of course, is for the shareholders of Enron. But my -- I have great concern for the stories -- for those I read about in the stories who put their life savings aside, and for whatever reason, based upon some rule or regulation, got trapped in this awful bankruptcy and have lost life savings.

And one of the things this group is going to do is take a good hard look at it.


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:00 PM
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29. Also, from Enron's "Code of Ethics"
"Ruthlessness, callousness and arrogance don't belong here."



Can be found here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/enron/enronethics1.html
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:49 AM
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6. let's see kenny-boy doing the perp-walk!
:D
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:56 AM
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7. Death Penalty?
I support the death penalty for white collar corporate crime.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 08:57 AM
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8. YEAH!!!!! I've been waiting for THIS for years!
I really wondered if it would EVER happen. I must admit, the first thing I checked was the source of this info. Reuters is a good one, but I've been waiting so long, I still can't believe it!

I think the biggest concern is getting a conviction. Lay is going to have the best lawyers $$ can buy, and he's going to be very slippery. If convicted, I don't think you'll have to worr about Club Fed. Those days are almost gone. Think about Martha Stewart. If she goes to prison, it's a legit Fed prison. I can't remember when, but there was legislation passed that eliminiated the "Club Fed" with the tennis courts and swimming pools.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 09:00 AM
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9. He'll be pardoned by DimSon.
I'd give 5:3 odds on it.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:20 PM
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33. Congress will reject the pardon
Not when Chimp is a lame duck President and will be under indictment for treason and facing federal death penalty along with the BFEE, including Poppy and liquidiation of all Carlyle holdings back to the United States.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 09:01 AM
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10. I'll believe it when I see it.
Can't help it.
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coyote Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 09:02 AM
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11. Booosh will pardon him.
Rap up the trial in December this year....Bush pardons him in January after losing the election.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:08 PM
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26. Exactly what I was thinking. n/t
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 09:16 AM
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12. Bye bye Kenny Boy
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JamesBurr Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 10:54 AM
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13. Guilty until he votes Democrat.. then he's a FREE MAN!!
Bwaaahahahaa!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:00 AM
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14. why would that "free" him?
have you heard the tapes regarding the ***ing of "Gramma Millie"?

Welcome to DU JamesBurr -

I see from your low post count you haven't been around very long.

Do you need links so that you understand?

check post #5 and you can see he gave all of $12,500 to Ann Richards.

Wouldn't you consider that a contribution? You can even ignore the rest of the numbers, if you want.

Lay's first contributions to Bush were during his unsuccessful run for Congress in 1978. Lay donated $100,000 to Bush's gubernatorial campaigns (there are no contribution limits in Texas). During the 2000 presidential campaign, Bush flew around the country on a corporate jet provided by Enron. Enron contributed $100,000 to Bush's inaugural committee; Lay and Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling each added $100,000 of their own. During the Florida recount, the Bush campaign set up a recount fund, limiting contributions to $5000. Both Lay and his wife gave the full amount. Add it all up, and since 1993 Enron and its employees have given Bush a grand total of $736,800. Oh, and the company gave the Republican party $1,138,990 in 2000; Lay himself has given the GOP $333,910 in soft money donations since 1998.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:09 AM
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15. Welcome to DU, but this is not mere partisanship a la M. Stewart
I'm a Californian, and Enron owes us billions.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:22 AM
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18. Left-Over Cali Juice for Kenny
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 11:28 AM by TrustingDog
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:42 AM
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21. I would like to see
kenny locked up at night, but spend every waking hour of every day doing community service for the people of California. Each day he has to go to someone's house and mow lawn, clean gutters, clean house, do their shopping, wipe their butts, whatever someone in need needs. Oh, and pay their rent, buy their groceries, pay their energy bills out of his own pocket. The only luxury he gets is excellent health care so he can live for a long long time and keep working day after day.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:37 PM
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40. Highly unlikely...
but worth the dreaming of.
Maybe someone can set him up for stealing an O Henry bar from 7/11 and he'll get a harsher sentence.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:06 PM
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25. No, that crook will always be a free PER, just like you, teethdropper.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:21 AM
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17. Is THIS the October Surprise?
Will Kenny Boy be thrown to the wolves for Bush re-election, then walk free on a pResidential Pardon?

Good thing I haven't had breakfast yet, I'm making myself sick to the stomach.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:24 AM
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19. Indictments??.....Ya mean REWARDS!!!!
This administration rewards people who commit treason!!!


LOL!!!!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:35 AM
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20. I'll believe it when I see it.
Color me sceptical....

Now, keep in mind that while the Enron stock swirled in the toilet bowl, Ole Ken and his Cronies cashed in their stocks while the employees were barred from selling their stock. Ken Lay made hundreds of millions off of his "rescue".

Later, when Enron went belly-up, Ken Lay had an insurance policy worth $432 million. It covered his ass in case anything went wrong with his job. He cashed it in.

Whew...those were scary times for Ole Ken, but he made it through (wipes the sweat off his brow).

Next, Ken quietly starts a new company in Houston. He's seen at all the Beautiful Parties in Houston.

Like I said......

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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:08 PM
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35. What is Kenny Boy's new company in Houston, please?
Inquring minds and all that.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:42 AM
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22. Kenny-Boy's gift was about 5 years of freedom
Since that's how long, from 2001, it will take to get him in jail.

Dumbya gave him a few extra years of freedom.

Wonder how many Bush is giving his good buddy Bin Laden? 10? 15? We know how close the Bush-Bin Laden families are....

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:54 AM
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23. Maybe, since they know the whole country will be watching
they'll feel obligated to make sure it looks as if they're not favoring him, and will give him a real jolt of justice to prove to us they're not crooked.

Yeah, right.

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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:03 PM
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24. I'll believe it when it happens....
I'm very cynical and I truly believe 'they' will be able to keep a lid on this until after the November elections. After that, all bets are off and Lay will be served to the wolves. Heck, he just might do the perp walk on prime-time TV!
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:46 PM
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28. love notes between strangers Kenny and Georgie.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:14 PM
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32. Kenny has screwed the pooch...
and has served his purpose. Do you really think George has any use for him now? Shrub is simply protecting his own ass, not Ken's. That's the rule of the jungle with these reptilian jerks; they eat their own.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:04 PM
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30. Just in time for the election
"See, we're doing something about corporate corruption! See, no one is exempt from justice when Dubya is on watch!"

Translation:

"My friendship with Ken is no longer convenient; I may lose this election, and need to do everything in my power and burn anyone I have to, to stay in power. And Hell, what difference does it make, anyway? If I win, he'll be playing 18 holes at Club Fed. If I lose, I'll just pardon him."
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:48 PM
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31. If he's only indicted
and isn't convicted until after Jan. 2005, can * pardon him of something he hasn't been convicted of yet? Because if he is convicted before Jan. 2005 then, yes, * will pardon him.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:51 PM
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34. did you see what his "daddy" did?
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 02:53 PM by UpInArms
http://www.fas.org/news/iran/1992/921224-260039.htm

BUSH PARDONS WEINBERGER, FIVE OTHERS TIED TO IRAN-CONTRA

(Calls Weinberger "true American patriot") (650) By Dian McDonald USIA White House Correspondent Washington -- President Bush December 24 granted pardons to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and five other individuals for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair.

Bush said Weinberger -- who had been scheduled to go on trial in Washington January 5 on charges related to Iran-Contra -- was a "true American patriot," who had served with "distinction" in a series of public positions since the late 1960s.

"I am pardoning him not just out of compassion or to spare a 75-year-old patriot the torment of lengthy and costly legal proceedings, but to make it possible for him to receive the honor he deserves for his extraordinary service to our country," Bush said in a proclamation granting executive clemency.

The president also pardoned five other persons who already had pleaded guilty or had been indicted or convicted in connection with the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages investigation. They were Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter- American affairs; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Explaining those pardons, Bush said the "common denominator of their motivation -- whether their actions were right or wrong -- was patriotism." They did not profit or seek to profit from their conduct, Bush said, adding that all five "have already paid a price - - in depleted savings, lost careers, anguished families -- grossly disproportionate to any misdeeds or errors of judgment they may have committed."

<snip>

Weinberger had been charged by independent counsel Lawrence Walsh with four counts of lying to congressional Iran-Contra investigators in 1987 and to Walsh's prosecutors in 1990. His case involved allegations that he had concealed from congressional investigators his personal notes that detailed events related to Iran-Contra and which reportedly undermined what then-President Reagan said about the origins and operations of the covert arms-for-hostages dealings. Weinberger had pleaded not guilty and said he was being unfairly prosecuted.

Although a president has unlimited pardon powers, it is highly unusual to pardon someone before trial and conviction. The best- known precedent -- following the Watergate political scandal during the Nixon administration -- was former President Ford's pardon in 1974 of former President Nixon, who was never indicted.

Bush said the prosecutions of the persons he was pardoning on Christmas Eve represent "what I believe is a profoundly troubling development in the political and legal climate of our country: the criminalization of policy differences."

...more...


Casper Weinberger had not even been indicted at that time - this pardon effectively destroyed the investigation into the Iran-Contra scandal.
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disinfo_guy Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:22 PM
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36. we need to keep scum like this off of the streets
lock him up and throw away the key
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:04 PM
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37. kick for a beau thing
..
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 06:10 PM
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39. Wonder if this is what J Marshall is hinting at?
in his TPM post........
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 07:00 PM
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41. Kick square in "Kenny Boy"'s arse
The "The President has had a hard ______ weeks" crowd is going to have to extend that time line.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:03 AM
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42. Lay's Campaign Contributions (complete list)
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:16 AM
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43. That's a lot of greased plams!
Bribery as an art form! No wonder he hasn't gone to jail yet!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:34 AM
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44. Hope springs eternal!!!
May Thor's hammer come "bang bang bang... down, on his head!"
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